El Presidente Trump

rob316 · 10-11-2016 05:30PM

Clinton is ahead on the popular vote by a huge 0.2%, you'd swear trump lost it by 30% the way people are going on about.

It is utterly laughable to criticize the American Electoral College system when our governing party has a whooping 26% of the vote.

Jelle1880 · 10-11-2016 05:30PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

This is what happens when the cry babies do not get their way. Same with Brexit. They should suck it up and respect democracy.

That's not how democracy works, unfortunately for you.

Unless you also don't like the idea of opposition in governments ?

Shenshen · 10-11-2016 05:31PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

Well, yes, and not just this time around.
The wrong guys, the guy who had fewer people voting for them, have been made president through this system. And I don't mind if the losers were Republican or Democrat, this is not a democratic system.

And yes, I think the same about the system in the UK. UKIP got by far more votes than the SNP, but has won far fewer seats.
To my mind, getting the party or person with the most votes into government is a core principle of democracy, wouldn't you agree?

pumpkin4life · 10-11-2016 05:32PM

jmayo wrote: »

Free trade and globalisation are great if you are one of the ones benefiting.

You are a fund manager and you have moved your operation to the states, if I am not mistaken.
You work in an area where it doesn't matter where you are, you have the know-how, the smarts, the aptitude and/or education (sorry maybe not correct term seeing the way the term has been bandied about here) that allow you to work in that area and going by past post succeed in it.
Also the easy movement of capital actually helps your business.

But imagine if you were a textile worker back in Donegal (thinking of old Fruit of the loom operations here) who loses their job to Cambodia where basically some young girls are doing the work in almost slave like conditions.
It's great for the company (and it's owners) getting the work done at much cheaper rates.
It's now great for other people in Donegal who are now buying the same garment as before, but the price is now €10 and not €15 because the work is done much cheaper in Cambodia.

But for the individual who lost their job and can't get another one because there is now none of that work available things aren't that rosey.
Their kids, like previous generations, will never work in the same industry because it is now gone.

Of course some people (including posters around here) will say
"tough, those skills are no longer wanted or needed in Donegal.
Upskill, get further education/training. Aim for a better job".

That argument is fine if you are young, can easily move, and actually have an aptitude that was never tapped into.
But there is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".

So then why not just make do and get a basic job, shure the pay isn't as good because it is a menial job, but beggars can't be choosers as they say.

That is fine until the other side of the free market kicks in and some immigrants arrive and they are willing to do those jobs for even less.

Where is the old textile plant worker then ?

And as some have pointed out even if the textile plant returns, the work may done by an automated robotic system and there wouldn't be a job anyway.

The above scenario is playing out all over the Western World, from Donegal to Flint, Bethlehem to Sheffield, South Bend to Glasgow.

And slowly but surely the ones left behind are getting more and more disillusioned with the way the system is going.

Even worse a certain grouping are now often labeling the disillusioned as being thick, uneducated, lazy, backward when they do vote for someone who does finally seem to be listening an caring about their plight.
Of course these people may find out soon enough that they have been duped and things will go on much as they have for the last few years.

Superb post.

Free Trade is one of the most self destructive policies countries can implement and one of the biggest flaws with libertarianism in my opinion (and it is a bigarse flaw).

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:32PM

rob316 wrote: »

Clinton is ahead on the popular vote by a huge 0.2%, you'd swear trump lost it by 30% the way people are going on about.

It is utterly laughable to criticize the American Electoral College system when our governing party has a whooping 26% of the vote.

Aren't they still counting? I stand to be corrected, but popular vote counting won't be done till next Monday. She could well increase her lead by then, but she could also lose, which will be funnier..

AllGunsBlazing · 10-11-2016 05:32PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Pretty sure there were protests after George W was elected the first time?

It won't change a thing

There were rival groups of protesters squaring up to one another on street corners. It was actually a lot more intense because Florida literally decided the Presidency.

jimgoose · 10-11-2016 05:36PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Aren't they still counting? I stand to be corrected, but popular vote counting won't be done till next Monday. She could well increase her lead by then, but she could also lose, which will be funnier..

Arizona and Michigan haven't declared yet, but both are showing Trump ahead at 45.3/49.6% and 47.3/47.6% respectively.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:36PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

OY VEY

And liberal gob****es call him the next Hitler FFS

10-11-2016 05:38PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Mass Media.

I said an argument, not a noun.

PopePalpatine · 10-11-2016 05:40PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'

...

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

Most of all, I want my fears to be proven to be completely unfounded.

AllGunsBlazing · 10-11-2016 05:41PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Arizona and Michigan haven't declared yet, but both are showing Trump ahead at 45.3/49.6% and 47.3/47.6% respectively.

Wonder what the hold up in Arizona is? The margin isn't even remotely close.

jimgoose · 10-11-2016 05:42PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Wonder what the hold up in Arizona is? The margin isn't even remotely close.

They're waiting for Elmer and Mildred to arrive from over near the Western edge of the ranch where the steer got lost. It's two days away by 1953 Ford pickup.

Jelle1880 · 10-11-2016 05:42PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-israel-palestinians-benjamin-netanyahu-invite-meeting-settlements-jerusalem-capital-a7409701.html

lolza

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 05:44PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Superb post.

Free Trade is one of the most self destructive policies countries can implement and one of the biggest flaws with libertarianism in my opinion (and it is a bigarse flaw).

Great post. It's nice to know there's some understanding for the kinds of reasons people voted for him.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:44PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I said an argument, not a noun.

How about this one then?
It was the argument you lot fired off with on the British exit

KingBrian2 · 10-11-2016 05:48PM

We have learned two important lessons from this election

1) You have to talk to people you don't like.

2) People should not be afraid to speak out for controversial opinions.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:53PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:57PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-israel-palestinians-benjamin-netanyahu-invite-meeting-settlements-jerusalem-capital-a7409701.html

lolza

I'm unsure... AIPAC very publicly hate Trump, and he was booed out of a meeting for saying he'd fight their corner, but without their money.
I doubt they'll get much more hop than they got from Obama, but the future remains to be seen.

TheOven · 10-11-2016 05:59PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

Are we allowed to call the storefront crowd retards? I'm not sure who I'm meant to be PC with.

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 06:03PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

There are probably thousands of working class Jews who have never been within sniffing distance of a bit of power and wealth. Obviously I can't say exactly how many but I know of lots!
It's possible that you know some and don't realise it. That's a bit of a charicature.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 06:03PM

TheOven wrote: »

Are we allowed to call the storefront crowd retards? I'm not sure who I'm meant to be PC with.

Hmmm...... Good point, wouldn't want to trigger them.
It really is the funniest aspect of political correctness when you think about it

Means Of Escape · 10-11-2016 06:03PM

" I will drain the swamp in Washington ,vote for me "-Trump

And they did
Regardless of what he said or did in the past people only cared about an increase in their pay packet .

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 06:05PM

Widdershins wrote: »

There are probably thousands of working class Jews who have never been within sniffing distance of a bit of power and wealth. Obviously I can't say exactly how many but I know of lots!
It's possible that you know some and don't realise it. That's a bit of a charicature.

Exactly. Probably should have clarified, but that's very much the case, a lot of people face scrutiny for the crimes of the few.

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 06:06PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Exactly. Probably should have clarified, but that's very much the case, a lot of people face scrutiny for the crimes of the few.

Sorry, you were talking about stormfront and it makes sense in that context. I misunderstood.

jimgoose · 10-11-2016 06:06PM

TheOven wrote: »

Are we allowed to call the storefront crowd retards? I'm not sure who I'm meant to be PC with.

You certainly are, but bear in mind that these people are gun-toting crazy rednecks* who like to severely injure people who look or think differently to them.

* I too am a gun-toting crazy redneck, but of the benign variety.

AllGunsBlazing · 10-11-2016 06:16PM

So apparently Enda got a phone call from President - elect Trump even before Theresa May?

jimgoose · 10-11-2016 06:17PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

So apparently Enda got a phone call from President - elect Trump even before Theresa May?

Apparently so, yes - the Independent had it earlier:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/us-election-2016/what-special-relationship-donald-trump-speaks-to-nine-other-world-leaders-including-irelands-before-theresa-may-35204474.html

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 06:18PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Sorry, you were talking about stormfront and it makes sense in that context. I misunderstood.

See? Can't even go near the word!!!

Kadser · 10-11-2016 06:19PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

So apparently Enda got a phone call from President - elect Trump

To tell him most American multinationals will soon be leaving Ireland to return home.

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 06:20PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

See? Can't even go near the word!!!

I minded my own business about the retard bit though

El Presidente Trump

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