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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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Widdershins

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

There are probably thousands of working class Jews who have never been within sniffing distance of a bit of power and wealth. Obviously I can't say exactly how many but I know of lots!
It's possible that you know some and don't realise it. That's a bit of a charicature.

TheOven

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

Are we allowed to call the storefront crowd retards? I'm not sure who I'm meant to be PC with.

Renegade Mechanic

Jelle1880 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-israel-palestinians-benjamin-netanyahu-invite-meeting-settlements-jerusalem-capital-a7409701.html

lolza

I'm unsure... AIPAC very publicly hate Trump, and he was booed out of a meeting for saying he'd fight their corner, but without their money.
I doubt they'll get much more hop than they got from Obama, but the future remains to be seen.

Renegade Mechanic

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Jewish religious beliefs about as nicely as I appreciate the beliefs held in Islam... And I've risen my eyebrow more than once at their immense over-representation in politics and wealth, but the damage people like those Hitler worshipping retards have done to any movement hopeful of forcing religious ties out of politics and finance has made me genuinely hate them. The second criticism is leveled, it's automatically pushed into the "back to stormfront" file of arguments and that's the end of it...

KingBrian2

We have learned two important lessons from this election

1) You have to talk to people you don't like.

2) People should not be afraid to speak out for controversial opinions.

Renegade Mechanic

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I said an argument, not a noun.

How about this one then?
It was the argument you lot fired off with on the British exit

Widdershins

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Superb post.

Free Trade is one of the most self destructive policies countries can implement and one of the biggest flaws with libertarianism in my opinion (and it is a bigarse flaw).

Great post. It's nice to know there's some understanding for the kinds of reasons people voted for him.

Jelle1880

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-israel-palestinians-benjamin-netanyahu-invite-meeting-settlements-jerusalem-capital-a7409701.html

lolza

jimgoose

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Wonder what the hold up in Arizona is? The margin isn't even remotely close.

They're waiting for Elmer and Mildred to arrive from over near the Western edge of the ranch where the steer got lost. It's two days away by 1953 Ford pickup.

AllGunsBlazing

jimgoose wrote: »

Arizona and Michigan haven't declared yet, but both are showing Trump ahead at 45.3/49.6% and 47.3/47.6% respectively.

Wonder what the hold up in Arizona is? The margin isn't even remotely close.

PopePalpatine

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'

...

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....

I hated what he stood for, and I believe his policies won't be the silver bullet the USA needs/wants, but I'm of the same mindset when it comes to his deplorable fanboys on sh*tholes like Stormfront - I want to see them disappointed. I want to see them clucking at Trump this time next year.

Most of all, I want my fears to be proven to be completely unfounded.

[Deleted User]

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Mass Media.

I said an argument, not a noun.

Renegade Mechanic

pumpkin4life wrote: »

OY VEY

And liberal gob****es call him the next Hitler FFS

jimgoose

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Aren't they still counting? I stand to be corrected, but popular vote counting won't be done till next Monday. She could well increase her lead by then, but she could also lose, which will be funnier..

Arizona and Michigan haven't declared yet, but both are showing Trump ahead at 45.3/49.6% and 47.3/47.6% respectively.

AllGunsBlazing

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Pretty sure there were protests after George W was elected the first time?

It won't change a thing

There were rival groups of protesters squaring up to one another on street corners. It was actually a lot more intense because Florida literally decided the Presidency.

Renegade Mechanic

rob316 wrote: »

Clinton is ahead on the popular vote by a huge 0.2%, you'd swear trump lost it by 30% the way people are going on about.

It is utterly laughable to criticize the American Electoral College system when our governing party has a whooping 26% of the vote.

Aren't they still counting? I stand to be corrected, but popular vote counting won't be done till next Monday. She could well increase her lead by then, but she could also lose, which will be funnier..

pumpkin4life

jmayo wrote: »

Free trade and globalisation are great if you are one of the ones benefiting.

You are a fund manager and you have moved your operation to the states, if I am not mistaken.
You work in an area where it doesn't matter where you are, you have the know-how, the smarts, the aptitude and/or education (sorry maybe not correct term seeing the way the term has been bandied about here) that allow you to work in that area and going by past post succeed in it.
Also the easy movement of capital actually helps your business.

But imagine if you were a textile worker back in Donegal (thinking of old Fruit of the loom operations here) who loses their job to Cambodia where basically some young girls are doing the work in almost slave like conditions.
It's great for the company (and it's owners) getting the work done at much cheaper rates.
It's now great for other people in Donegal who are now buying the same garment as before, but the price is now €10 and not €15 because the work is done much cheaper in Cambodia.

But for the individual who lost their job and can't get another one because there is now none of that work available things aren't that rosey.
Their kids, like previous generations, will never work in the same industry because it is now gone.

Of course some people (including posters around here) will say
"tough, those skills are no longer wanted or needed in Donegal.
Upskill, get further education/training. Aim for a better job".

That argument is fine if you are young, can easily move, and actually have an aptitude that was never tapped into.
But there is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".

So then why not just make do and get a basic job, shure the pay isn't as good because it is a menial job, but beggars can't be choosers as they say.

That is fine until the other side of the free market kicks in and some immigrants arrive and they are willing to do those jobs for even less.

Where is the old textile plant worker then ?

And as some have pointed out even if the textile plant returns, the work may done by an automated robotic system and there wouldn't be a job anyway.

The above scenario is playing out all over the Western World, from Donegal to Flint, Bethlehem to Sheffield, South Bend to Glasgow.

And slowly but surely the ones left behind are getting more and more disillusioned with the way the system is going.

Even worse a certain grouping are now often labeling the disillusioned as being thick, uneducated, lazy, backward when they do vote for someone who does finally seem to be listening an caring about their plight.
Of course these people may find out soon enough that they have been duped and things will go on much as they have for the last few years.

Superb post.

Free Trade is one of the most self destructive policies countries can implement and one of the biggest flaws with libertarianism in my opinion (and it is a bigarse flaw).

Shenshen

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

Well, yes, and not just this time around.
The wrong guys, the guy who had fewer people voting for them, have been made president through this system. And I don't mind if the losers were Republican or Democrat, this is not a democratic system.

And yes, I think the same about the system in the UK. UKIP got by far more votes than the SNP, but has won far fewer seats.
To my mind, getting the party or person with the most votes into government is a core principle of democracy, wouldn't you agree?

Jelle1880

tonycascarino wrote: »

This is what happens when the cry babies do not get their way. Same with Brexit. They should suck it up and respect democracy.

That's not how democracy works, unfortunately for you.

Unless you also don't like the idea of opposition in governments ?

rob316

Clinton is ahead on the popular vote by a huge 0.2%, you'd swear trump lost it by 30% the way people are going on about.

It is utterly laughable to criticize the American Electoral College system when our governing party has a whooping 26% of the vote.

Renegade Mechanic

B0jangles wrote: »

He ran on a platform of somehow bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, on helping blue-collar workers.

His statement from last year demonstrates absolutely that he is only interesting in maximizing profitability for companies at the expense of the workers.

His statement shows a belief that it is 'just good business' for companies to use their power to bully ordinary workers into accepting bad jobs by threatening them with no jobs at all.

He is an unabashed plutocrat who has successfully conned American workers into believing that he wants to help them.

All the more reason to work towards getting him elected.
One way or another, the American people won't be able to handle another shafting. And with Trump - if he does it - it'll be an arrogant and obvious shafting.
The consequences of that for the American top floor are well overdue.

jmayo

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

Free trade and globalisation are great if you are one of the ones benefiting.

You are a fund manager and you have moved your operation to the states, if I am not mistaken.
You work in an area where it doesn't matter where you are, you have the know-how, the smarts, the aptitude and/or education (sorry maybe not correct term seeing the way the term has been bandied about here) that allow you to work in that area and going by past post succeed in it.
Also the easy movement of capital actually helps your business.

But imagine if you were a textile worker back in Donegal (thinking of old Fruit of the loom operations here) who loses their job to Cambodia where basically some young girls are doing the work in almost slave like conditions.
It's great for the company (and it's owners) getting the work done at much cheaper rates.
It's now great for other people in Donegal who are now buying the same garment as before, but the price is now €10 and not €15 because the work is done much cheaper in Cambodia.

But for the individual who lost their job and can't get another one because there is now none of that work available things aren't that rosey.
Their kids, like previous generations, will never work in the same industry because it is now gone.

Of course some people (including posters around here) will say
"tough, those skills are no longer wanted or needed in Donegal.
Upskill, get further education/training. Aim for a better job".

That argument is fine if you are young, can easily move, and actually have an aptitude that was never tapped into.
But there is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".

So then why not just make do and get a basic job, shure the pay isn't as good because it is a menial job, but beggars can't be choosers as they say.

That is fine until the other side of the free market kicks in and some immigrants arrive and they are willing to do those jobs for even less.

Where is the old textile plant worker then ?

And as some have pointed out even if the textile plant returns, the work may done by an automated robotic system and there wouldn't be a job anyway.

The above scenario is playing out all over the Western World, from Donegal to Flint, Bethlehem to Sheffield, South Bend to Glasgow.

And slowly but surely the ones left behind are getting more and more disillusioned with the way the system is going.

Even worse a certain grouping are now often labeling the disillusioned as being thick, uneducated, lazy, backward when they do vote for someone who does finally seem to be listening an caring about their plight.
Of course these people may find out soon enough that they have been duped and things will go on much as they have for the last few years.

pumpkin4life

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Well, oblivion is rearing her head soon, so why not offer her dinner, wine and a dance? She might just be impressed enough to spare us...

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'
Nope, hes done plenty of work with them before and will continue doing so. Even sleepy Ben is in with a shot on his Cabinet. Your boy David Duke's endorsement was nothing but a tool used against Trump - he can't help who likes him, but thanks for the vote

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Jared Kushner - main advisor
Jason Greenblatt - chief financial officer Trump Organization
Sheldon Adelson - main kike lobbyst in the US
David Friedman - Lawyer while undergoing Atlantic City failures
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Michael Cohen - Trump Organization VP
Alan Garten - Trump Organization VP
Lawrence Glick - Trump Organization VP
Michael Dezer - Trump partner
Gil Dezer - Trump partner
Stephen Feinberg - Trump Economic Advisory Council member
Paul Achleitner - Trump donor
Carl Icahn - main Trump donor
Wilbur Ross - main Trump donor
John Paulson - main Trump donor
Stephen Wynn - main Trump donor

And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE
In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....

OY VEY

valoren

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

It's a system that unnecessarily over complicates a very simple process.
What is it about people making simple yet important things (such as elections, money) more complicated than they need to be?

Keep the population densities and how many representatives they get based on that as it is.

But for the Presidency/Vice Presidency? A choice between one or two viable candidates?
Just take the total electorate together.

Person A get's more than Person B. Person A wins.
Person B concedes to basic arithmetic, you got more votes than me.

Done. :pac:

tonycascarino

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

This is what happens when the cry babies do not get their way. Same with Brexit. They should suck it up and respect democracy.

Renegade Mechanic

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

Or a funnier one.
'Uneducated people'.

Jelle1880

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

Has this ever happened before?

I wonder what he thinks.

And will they reform the electoral college voting system.

It has happened several times. The Tea Party rose to prominence after Obama's election, with mass protests in several areas of the country.

Renegade Mechanic

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

Mass Media.

midlandsmissus

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

I've said, I don't like Hilary either. Jesus!

It's one of the things that people are protesting about in the States. Read the news.

Renegade Mechanic

valoren wrote: »

To see Trump as some genius business man is short sighted, to see him as a risk taker willing to flirt with oblivion is more accurate.

Well, oblivion is rearing her head soon, so why not offer her dinner, wine and a dance? She might just be impressed enough to spare us...

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'
Nope, hes done plenty of work with them before and will continue doing so. Even sleepy Ben is in with a shot on his Cabinet. Your boy David Duke's endorsement was nothing but a tool used against Trump - he can't help who likes him, but thanks for the vote

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Jared Kushner - main advisor
Jason Greenblatt - chief financial officer Trump Organization
Sheldon Adelson - main kike lobbyst in the US
David Friedman - Lawyer while undergoing Atlantic City failures
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Michael Cohen - Trump Organization VP
Alan Garten - Trump Organization VP
Lawrence Glick - Trump Organization VP
Michael Dezer - Trump partner
Gil Dezer - Trump partner
Stephen Feinberg - Trump Economic Advisory Council member
Paul Achleitner - Trump donor
Carl Icahn - main Trump donor
Wilbur Ross - main Trump donor
John Paulson - main Trump donor
Stephen Wynn - main Trump donor

And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE

In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....