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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #7772
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It wasn't just an address, it was a server which was split off from the official network. Fairly obvious why they did it when you look into the Clinton Foundations corruption.. to hide things. Not only that, it was insecure meaning any foreign enemy could have hacked into it and stolen secret classified information.

    It's a huge deal, both in incompetence and greed.
    Same as the Bush emails then.

    No republicans called for 'Crooked George' to be sent to prison for that reason, as far as I recall.


  • #7773
    Thomas_...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Thomas_...


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Thomas_... wrote: »
    I fear that those "over the top democrats" were not exaggerating it. We'll see how it will work when he gets chumming with Putin, his "friend" and if one likes to believe it, they both say that this "friendship" is "mutual". Well, I have no doubts that both of them have each one for themselves a very big ego.

    Somehow, despite what Hollywood might have you believe, I doubt there is any little red nuclear button in the Oval Office that the damn cleaning lady could drop her bottle of Windex on and launch 1000 minuteman missiles. There ought to be a few more safeguards and precautions that just one button to press like you're summoning the butler.

    Sorry, but this is just a ridiculous post. Everybody knows that the President of the USA is in charge of it as the Supreme Commander of the American Forces and that is how I meant it. Just to remind you of that.
    Oh, and somehow I can't avoid having the impression that you appear like some of the Putin supporters who are just too glad that Trump has won. This impression doesn't come from just the one post of yours which I've quote on here, it is the summaration from various posts you've posted on this thread.


  • #7774
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Same as the Bush emails then.

    No republicans called for 'Crooked George' to be sent to prison for that reason, as far as I recall.

    Two wrongs and all that, and I doubt he was running a foundation receiving donations (many ILLEGAL) from places like Saudi Arabia, a country which funds ISIS. US would have ended up like Germany or France if she got in, probably worse.


  • #7775
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #7776
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Two wrongs and all that, and I doubt he was running a foundation receiving donations (many ILLEGAL) from places like Saudi Arabia, a country which funds ISIS. US would have ended up like Germany or France if she got in, probably worse.

    Who is Trump assigning to investigate Bush? Justice should be blind unless it is a thinly veiled attempt to take out someone for opposing him. I mean they can be done at the same time. I mean is there a good reason not to investigate?

    I am unsure what Saudi Arabia or presidential candidates selling out their country to Chinese business men has to do with the emails.

    Sorry scratch the Chinese business man bit that wasn't Clinton...


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  • #7777
    constitutionus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    so.

    looks like i was right about michigan.

    :D


  • #7778
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Who is Trump assigning to investigate Bush? Justice should be blind unless it is a thinly veiled attempt to take out someone for opposing him. I mean they can be done at the same time. I mean is there a good reason not to investigate?

    I am unsure what Saudi Arabia or presidential candidates selling out their country to Chinese business men has to do with the emails.

    Sorry scratch the Chinese business man bit that wasn't Clinton...

    Bush did it, so that means Clinton can do it?

    Could the average Joe in the private sector do it and not face serious repercussions?

    Such a tiresome argument. That guy broke the law so I can too!

    That's what cost Clinton the election, arrogance, and many of her supporters have it too.


  • #7779
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #7780
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Bush did it, so that means Clinton can do it?

    Could the average Joe in the private sector do it and not face serious repercussions?

    Such a tiresome argument. That guy broke the law so I can too!

    That's what cost Clinton the election, arrogance, and many of her supporters have it too.

    My argument is that both should be investigated. I state it quite clearly that investigators can be assigned to both. To do otherwise would be to raise questions over why you are investigating one and not the other. Thus if you believe wrong happened go after and imprison both.


  • #7781
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Clinton winning the popular vote but got destroyed in the Electoral College.


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  • #7782
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »
    My argument is that both should be investigated. I state it quite clearly that investigators can be assigned to both. To do otherwise would be to raise questions over why you are investigating one and not the other. Thus if you believe wrong happened go after and imprison both.

    FBI didn't see it that way. Personally I don't care. I think if she doesn't get nailed for the server it will be for the foundation. Nobody to protect her now.


  • #7783
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    That's absolutely bag on the money.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #7784
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It wasn't just an address, it was a server which was split off from the official network. Fairly obvious why they did it when you look into the Clinton Foundations corruption.. to hide things. Not only that, it was insecure meaning any foreign enemy could have hacked into it and stolen secret classified information.

    It's a huge deal, both in incompetence and greed.
    And you've yet to answer how the Bush administration with the President, VP and all their staff doing the same thing with 22 million e-mails lost is not causing you the same outrage.


  • #7785
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    FBI didn't see it that way.

    So, if the FBI don't think there's a case to answer, that's the end of the matter for you?


  • #7786
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Thomas_... wrote: »
    Ah, you wouldn't expect Putin getting more of a free hand over Ukraine with Trump sitting in the WH, wouldn't you? If Putin would had it his way, he'd rather yesterday than tomorrow restore the territorial extent of the former SU and that includes the Baltic States. It isn't without reason why the Baltic States have called NATO for more support in order to deter Putin from land grabbing, like in Ukraine. With the USA withdrawing from NATO committments in Eastern Europe, it might watering Putins appetite. So, it couldn't be better for Putin than having Trump in the WH from January next year onwards.


    You're absolutely dreaming. Putin will not be invading ANYWHERE so get that idea out of your head. It's propaganda fantasy. Putin was instrumental in the destruction of the USSR. Why the hell would he try to reconstitute it? It's as stupid a notion as all those people fearing that Sharia Law would be implemented in the US because Obama is a fucking Kenyan Arab.

    A fucking Kenyan Arab!!! :pac:


  • #7787
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    That's fair, I agree with that.
    You ask what's the difference between 2001 and now -- well, the financial crisis, the bailouts, the Occupy movement, etc., all enhanced average Americans' sense that there is one set of rules for the wealthy and the politically connected, and another set of rules for everyone else.
    Right, but nobody on the Trump campaign, or anywhere in the media, as far as I am aware, has suggested that Bush or Powell or their aides should be prosecuted, or be investigated alongside Hillary Clinton. Aside from doing the same thing, Powell was the one who told Hillary Clinton that this was best practice.

    And if there is such anger that there is one rule for the wealthy, and another for everyone else, why did Americans elect a billionaire (supposedly a billionaire) who never stops telling people he's really really powerful. Trump even said he was 'smart' by avoiding taxes.

    I've never lived in the US, I admit I don't understand Americans, so maybe there is no answer that I would even be capable of digesting; I really don't see any logic to the electorate's behaviour yesterday.


  • #7788
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    So, if the FBI don't think there's a case to answer, that's the end of the matter for you?

    No, DOJ is corrupt and pro Hillary. I've explained why like 20 / 30 posts back.


  • #7789
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,246 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Energy is key
    Instead of Trump saying he'd like to tap that ass, he will be saying I liked to tap that gas .
    So many energy sources to tap into.
    Wind
    Gas
    Oil
    Need to tax imports to to put a balance on trade with China and Mecico


  • #7790
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    FBI didn't see it that way. Personally I don't care. I think if she doesn't get nailed for the server it will be for the foundation. Nobody to protect her now.

    The fbi feel neither should be prosecuted and said as much before the election. However neither or Don believe that with regards to Hillary so if the new prez is going to get someone to reopen Hillary's investigation then why does he believe the fbi about Bush?

    I really think Donald will be avoiding people looking too deep into their respective charities if he can help it.

    Lastly before it is brought up Benghazi has been gone through 9 times without conviction and seems unlikely to succeed at the 10th attempt.

    Hillary will not end up in prison. My guess is Donald will forget about it now the "lock her up" slogan has served it's purpose.

    He was interested in getting elected, not justice.


  • #7791
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,246 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump to get access to top secrets straight away.
    Top level clearance , who shot JFK , where the roswel aliens are at so on .


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  • #7792
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Trump to get access to top secrets straight away.
    Top level clearance , who shot JFK , where the roswel aliens are at so on .

    He'll get to rewatch the Iran video too.


  • #7793
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    I feel so bad for him stuck in that embassy. He must worry about his Family all the time. That "Rape" charge drawing him to Sweden is a big fat lie.

    There's no doubts wikileaks helped Trump immensely exposing the corruption of Clinton and her cronies. #pizza :(

    Would be great if Trump could help him.

    So Hilary is guilty by reason of supposition, innuendo and circumstance, but Assange?


  • #7794
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Trump to get access to top secrets straight away.
    Top level clearance , who shot JFK , where the roswel aliens are at so on .

    All the things that normally temper a campaigns rhetoric anyway.


  • #7795
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »

    Hillary will not end up in prison. My guess is Donald will forget about it now the "lock her up" slogan has served it's purpose.

    He was interested in getting elected, not justice.

    FBI was compromised with her as SOS. I think the foundation will cause her to get charged eventually, FBI investigations never "close" they're always ongoing. Money laundering is a big no no. I doubt Trump will do anything it would give him bad press and he might want to keep relations clean citing victory as good enough. We'll have to agree to disagree.


  • #7796
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    Who should we blame then? Surely it's a tenet of democracy that the people take responsibility for the decisions they make?


    This decision was a "FUCK YOU" decision and the only ones who are to blame are the establishment. They fleeced the public to line their own pockets and fielded a candidate to do the same thing for yet another 4-8 years and cry when the arrogance of their ruse blows up in their face.

    To then condescend to lecture them about "how could they have done this? It's a disaster! Oh woe!" is the epitome of patronising.


  • #7797
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Bass Reeves wrote: »


    It funny but it also show a complete lack of respect for three people who were democratly elected.

    Why on earth does anyone who is 'elected' deserve respect as an automatic right?

    there are three people lampooned in that cartoon - at least 2 don't believe in climate change, one believes in God above controlling the weather, and another thinks driving a tractor with few pints is ok!

    .....by the way, how much respect did Trump show to the Clintons who both held elected office, to John McCain, Ted Cruz, Rubio, Sanders......please, respect is earned by, in the first instance, giving it.

    How much respect has Trump shown for women?


  • #7798
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    HensVassal wrote: »
    This decision was a "FUCK YOU" decision and the only ones who are to blame are the establishment. They fleeced the public to line their own pockets and fielded a candidate to do the same thing for yet another 4-8 years and cry when the arrogance of their ruse blows up in their face.

    To then condescend to lecture them about "how could they have done this? It's a disaster! Oh woe!" is the epitome of patronising.
    But Trump is part of the establishment.


  • #7799
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    No, DOJ is corrupt and pro Hillary. I've explained why like 20 / 30 posts back.

    All of the DoJ is corrupt?

    Everyone.....from the interns to the A-G. I presume there will be a mass purge firing at least, if not show trials for conspiracy?


  • #7800
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jawgap wrote: »
    So Hilary is guilty by reason of supposition, innuendo and circumstance, but Assange?

    There's literally emails on the foundation donations of people discussing how to hide the money. There's not circumstance, that's corruption.

    Assange is already in prison, he can't step outside the door or he`ll be arrested and sent to Sweden, then extradited to the US. He doesn't even have a window.


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  • #7801
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    What I love about this is the fact if Donald Trump was a boardsie he would of been banned many moons ago on here. He is the ultimate troll.

    Well Played Sir....Well Played!


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