2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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Previous thread here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100645229

Be civil!

alastair

On the notion that the FBI might start up raids on medical marijuana centres on the back of a new head of DoJ. Not going to happen - the law has been changed: http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20141208/CPRT-113-HPRT-RU00-HR83sa.pdf

Amerika

alastair wrote: »

On the notion that the FBI might start up raids on medical marijuana centres on the back of a new head of DoJ. Not going to happen - the law has been changed: http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20141208/CPRT-113-HPRT-RU00-HR83sa.pdf

I don't believe this statement is correct. Just today it was reported medical marijuana is to remain a federal crime, other than for research.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/11/dea-marijuana-remains-illegal-under-federal-law/88550804/

RobertKK

The DNC hack is a lot worse than first thought, now included Democratic party and Clinton campaign officials private emails.
The hackers they say have gone after everything they can. They have to assume all emails have been compromised.
Nancy Pelosi is blaming Russia.but then said she didn't know but it was the Russians.

That was on CNN.

Also new developments on the FBI, Department of Justice officials who met to talk about a criminal probe into the Clinton foundation.
June 19th 2012 Cheryl Mills, the chief of staff for Hillary Clinton in the State Department went on a train from Washington to New York.
The State department refused to co-operate with Senate investigators who wanted to know what work for the State department Cheryl Mills was doing.
It turns out she went to New York to attend a meeting for the Clinton Foundation even though she was a state employee, and was there working on behalf of the Clinton Foundation (CF).
She was there to interview two candidates to lead the Clinton Foundation. The two candidates were top level executives from Walmark and Pfizer, both huge donors to the CF.
Cheryl Mills may have been in violation of government ethics rules, she may not have had permission from the State Department who may not have been informed. CNN asked the State department and got a vague response which did not answer the questions if rules were broken.
The blurring of lines between the State department and the CF will cause problems for Hillary.
Cheryl Mills has been extremely close to the Clintons for decades.
It raises questions if the Clintons have used the State department to benefit themselves through the Clinton Foundation.

Black Swan

8 November 2016 is the date of the general election (including president), and 28 November 2016 is the trial date of Donald Trump in US District Court for alleged "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" at Trump University, founded by Donald Trump 2005 and failed/closed 2010.

For decades presidential nominees have released their tax returns before November elections, so why was Donald Trump refusing to do so? Methinks he has something to hide, and the IRS audit was a flimsy excuse that Warren Buffett showed was nonsense. If Donald Trump was paying little taxes, or worse ZERO taxes, or even worse declaring a loss, all his bluster about his business qualifications as compensation for ZERO governance, ZERO diplomacy, and ZERO prep for CiC becomes very suspect indeed.

Rather than bluster or excuses, show your tax returns Donald Trump. Otherwise you have something to hide from the voters.

emmet02

Does anyone have anything positive to say about either candidate and their policies?

TheDoctor

emmet02 wrote: »

Does anyone have anything positive to say about either candidate and their policies?

Have you been following this election?

emmet02

TheDoctor wrote: »

Have you been following this election?

Yes. That's the problem.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

I don't believe this statement is correct. Just today it was reported medical marijuana is to remain a federal crime, other than for research.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/11/dea-marijuana-remains-illegal-under-federal-law/88550804/

That's just news that they have not changed the schedule staus on marijuana - which is primarily because it hasn't got much evidence of medical benefit. Here's an article on the bar on FBI raids on medical marijuana centres, As passed by Congress:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-medical-pot-20141216-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pot-congress-20151228-story.html

Farr and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) teamed up last year to write the measure that said anyone legally selling medical pot under a state law cannot be prosecuted.

Officials from the Justice Department declined comment, citing continued litigation.

Congress has put the department in a pickle, however. Federal law still classifies marijuana in the most dangerous category of narcotics, alongside heroin and LSD, substances which the law declares to be lacking any accepted medical use. Congress has declined to change that even as it has approved the Rohrabacher-Farr amendment, as the provision has come to be known

Suryavarman

Adam Posen of the Peterson Institute for International Economics gives his views on Trump's economic policies in the below video. He describes the plans as "economic nonsense untruths and handouts to the rich". Amerika will be happy to know that the Peterson Institute are well known for their lack of bias.


https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/762790021128593409

TheDoctor

RobertKK wrote: »

The DNC hack is a lot worse than first thought, now included Democratic party and Clinton campaign officials private emails.
The hackers they say have gone after everything they can. They have to assume all emails have been compromised.
Nancy Pelosi is blaming Russia.but then said she didn't know but it was the Russians.

That was on CNN.

Also new developments on the FBI, Department of Justice officials who met to talk about a criminal probe into the Clinton foundation.
June 19th 2012 Cheryl Mills, the chief of staff for Hillary Clinton in the State Department went on a train from Washington to New York.
The State department refused to co-operate with Senate investigators who wanted to know what work for the State department Cheryl Mills was doing.
It turns out she went to New York to attend a meeting for the Clinton Foundation even though she was a state employee, and was there working on behalf of the Clinton Foundation (CF).
She was there to interview two candidates to lead the Clinton Foundation. The two candidates were top level executives from Walmark and Pfizer, both huge donors to the CF.
Cheryl Mills may have been in violation of government ethics rules, she may not have had permission from the State Department who may not have been informed. CNN asked the State department and got a vague response which did not answer the questions if rules were broken.
The blurring of lines between the State department and the CF will cause problems for Hillary.
Cheryl Mills has been extremely close to the Clintons for decades.
It raises questions if the Clintons have used the State department to benefit themselves through the Clinton Foundation.

It's really not as interesting as Trump saying Obama founded ISIS.

Amerika

There have been calls for Trump to release his tax returns so people can see what he really pays and if his business prowess is as strong as he claims. There have been calls for Clinton to release the transcripts to speeches given to Wall Street for obscene amounts of money so people can see what she really thinks of them. But neither of those two subject matters involves their ability of either to perform the duties of POTUS.

More concerning is the increasing evidence that Hillary Clinton may be suffering serious physical health problems that very likely would impact her judgement and mental faculties. A concussion, blood clot, being described as "often confused" in released emails from top aide Huma Abedin, her staff noting she often suffers from severe headaches, coughing fits, and very recently a man walking next to Clinton, who appears to be in charge of protecting her at speeches and directs security details, was photographed holding what appeared to be an emergency Diazepam syringe in his hand. Diazepam is the generic name for Valium and used to treat anxiety, muscle spasms, and a range of conditions, but its primary purpose in emergency epi-pen style syringes is a first line medication to stop seizures. Should the people demand she release her medical records in order to prove she has the mental capacity and health needed to fulfill the position of President?

Quin_Dub

Amerika wrote: »

There have been calls for Trump to release his tax returns so people can see what he really pays and if his business prowess is as strong as he claims. There have been calls for Clinton to release the transcripts to speeches given to Wall Street for obscene amounts of money so people can see what she really thinks of them. But neither of those two subject matters involves their ability of either to perform the duties of POTUS.

More concerning is the increasing evidence that Hillary Clinton may be suffering serious physical health problems that very likely would impact her judgement and mental faculties. A concussion, blood clot, being described as "often confused" in released emails from top aide Huma Abedin, her staff noting she often suffers from severe headaches, coughing fits, and very recently a man walking next to Clinton, who appears to be in charge of protecting her at speeches and directs security details, was photographed holding what appeared to be an emergency Diazepam syringe in his hand. Diazepam is the generic name for Valium and used to treat anxiety, muscle spasms, and a range of conditions, but its primary purpose in emergency epi-pen style syringes is a first line medication to stop seizures. Should the people demand she release her medical records in order to prove she has the mental capacity and health needed to fulfill the position of President?

Conspiracy theory guff for the most part..

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

There have been calls for Trump to release his tax returns so people can see what he really pays and if his business prowess is as strong as he claims. There have been calls for Clinton to release the transcripts to speeches given to Wall Street for obscene amounts of money so people can see what she really thinks of them. But neither of those two subject matters involves their ability of either to perform the duties of POTUS.

Of course it does. If Trump is dodging tax then it shoots a serious hole in his credibility as a businessman which is a key part of his campaign. You talked before about the revenue his firms make but that's no good if he's depriving public services of essential revenue then his business are inimical to the American public and that's before looking at the likes of Trump University.

I'm not aware of the calls for Clinton's speeches to Wall Street to be made public so I've no opinion there. I see no reason for those transcripts to be made public unless all presidential speeches are made public.

Amerika wrote: »

More concerning is the increasing evidence that Hillary Clinton may be suffering serious physical health problems that very likely would impact her judgement and mental faculties. A concussion, blood clot, being described as "often confused" in released emails from top aide Huma Abedin, her staff noting she often suffers from severe headaches, coughing fits, and very recently a man walking next to Clinton, who appears to be in charge of protecting her at speeches and directs security details, was photographed holding what appeared to be an emergency Diazepam syringe in his hand. Diazepam is the generic name for Valium and used to treat anxiety, muscle spasms, and a range of conditions, but its primary purpose in emergency epi-pen style syringes is a first line medication to stop seizures. Should the people demand she release her medical records in order to prove she has the mental capacity and health needed to fulfill the position of President?

Increasing evidence? Care to cite any?

InTheTrees

Amerika wrote: »

More concerning is the increasing evidence that Hillary Clinton may be suffering serious physical health problems that very likely would impact her judgement and mental faculties.

Poor trump. This is his new talking point is it?

More like he's trying to distract from the Isis Founding debacle.

I'm beginning to agree with the people who think he may drop out before the election.

Amerika

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Conspiracy theory guff for the most part..

Who here claimed he was a doctor posing as a secret service agent?

Amerika

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Increasing evidence? Care to cite any?

I just did. They're all out there to read about if you wish to get more details on any.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

I just did. They're all out there to read about if you wish to get more details on any.

You literally didn't cite any evidence whatsoever.

Quin_Dub

Amerika wrote: »

Who here claimed he was a doctor posing as a secret service agent?

Read the full article I linked - 1st half of the article deals with the Doctor vs. Secret Service piece (which you did not reference) , the 2nd half covers the evidence that what he's holding in his hand is almost certainly a torch and not an epi-pen type device - There's even a video of him using the "torch"..

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

I just did. They're all out there to read about if you wish to get more details on any.

No, you didn't. You just posted that the evidence existed which isn't good enough.

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

You literally didn't cite any evidence whatsoever.

Fair enough. Will you be saying the same for others when they make claims of readily available generalized information?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-clinton-blood-clot-life-threatening-medical-experts/story?id=18101213
http://nypost.com/2015/11/16/hillary-is-often-confused-says-trusted-aide-huma-in-fresh-emails/
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hillary-clinton-health-issues-cough/2016/02/18/id/714964/
https://regated.com/2016/08/hillary-clinton-revealed-serious-health-issues-possible-brain-damage/

Amerika

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm not aware of the calls for Clinton's speeches to Wall Street to be made public so I've no opinion there. I see no reason for those transcripts to be made public unless all presidential speeches are made public.

It was a major issue during the Democratic primary. The topic even came us in the debates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZOMBNFCoNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmTy2UP7BCk

Quin_Dub

Amerika wrote: »

Fair enough. Will you be saying the same for others when they make claims of readily available generalized information?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-clinton-blood-clot-life-threatening-medical-experts/story?id=18101213
http://nypost.com/2015/11/16/hillary-is-often-confused-says-trusted-aide-huma-in-fresh-emails/
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hillary-clinton-health-issues-cough/2016/02/18/id/714964/
https://regated.com/2016/08/hillary-clinton-revealed-serious-health-issues-possible-brain-damage/

To be honest - None of that is evidence of any current risk to her health or Mental well-being.

Concussion Story - 6 months to recover , long but not unusual and not indicator of long term issues ; See Scottish Rugby player Finn Russell as an example - knocked out in April and won't be fit to return to rugby until late Sept/Early October...

Blot-Clot (from 4 years ago) - The linked article even says that she'll be fine after it..

Hillary Clinton's latest health update -- cerebral venous thrombosis -- is a rare and potentially "life-threatening" condition, according to medical experts, but one from which the globe-trotting secretary of state is likely to recover from.

In an update from her doctors, Clinton's brain scans revealed a clot had formed in the right transverse venous sinus, and she was being successfully treated with anticoagulants.

"Often Confused" - Slightly taken out of context given that the mails were talking about schedules etc.. I've worked with many Senior execs who couldn't tell you what was happening in their schedule without their admins.. Doesn't make them incompetant , just makes them very very busy..

Coughing fits - Who here hasn't had a persistent cough that took time to shake off at some point ? and again , the article you quote says this about it.

Coughing fits — In February 2016, presidential candidate Clinton suffered her third public coughing fit during a speech in Harlem. "Clinton had to dig out a lozenge at last year's Benghazi hearings," noted the Daily Mail, and "also suffered a coughing fit in Iowa back in January, something she attributed to speaking a lot on her campaign tour." The fits prompted many to speculate as to what could be causing them. Ear, nose, and throat specialist Dr. Jonathan Aviv told "Inside Edition," "It's not just cough. There's some hoarseness, there's some throat clearing, in fact there's frequent throat clearing. When you have these trio of symptoms, you have to think of what I call throat burn reflux, which is acid reflux affecting the throat."

So - A cough and indigestion (or worst case an ulcer or maybe hiatus hernia) - Again nothing that should raise fears of anyones capability to do a job..

Hillary Brain Damage - The last link is just a regurgitation of all the other stuff trying to build a theory..


So , just tenuous links to a variety of individual health issues of varying severity over a number of years to try and suggest that she's some kind of ticking time bomb in terms of mental health..

Hardly convincing to be brutally honest.

Suryavarman

None of those links have anything of concern. I wouldn't be particularly worried about the health of someone that managed to maintain a gruelling campaign schedule over a year and a half without issue either.

Do you think Reagan's alzheimers seriously impacted his presidency?

Amerika

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So , just tenuous links to a variety of individual health issues of varying severity over a number of years to try and suggest that she's some kind of ticking time bomb in terms of mental health..

Still a concern. Releasing her medical records could clear the concerns up.

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

Do you think Reagan's alzheimers seriously impacted his presidency?

Seriously impacted his presidency? No.

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

Still a concern. Releasing her medical records could clear the concerns up.

Her medical records are private and rightly so. Odd that you think they ought to be released while saying nothing on the subject of Trump's tax returns.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

Seriously impacted his presidency? No.

So if it wasn't an issue for Reagan then why is it an issue for Clinton? (even though Clinton's "problems" are a lot less serious)

alaimacerc

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Her medical records are private and rightly so. Odd that you think they ought to be released while saying nothing on the subject of Trump's tax returns.

I'd say his "deflecting wildly to Clinton's supposed health issues" actually speaks volumes to the defensibility of Trump's failure to follow the convention of releasing tax returns.

B0jangles

Suryavarman wrote: »

Adam Posen of the Peterson Institute for International Economics gives his views on Trump's economic policies in the below video. He describes the plans as "economic nonsense untruths and handouts to the rich". Amerika will be happy to know that the Peterson Institute are well known for their lack of bias.


https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/762790021128593409

Wow, he doesn't really pull any punches there, does he?

Christy42

Amerika wrote: »

Fair enough. Will you be saying the same for others when they make claims of readily available generalized information?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-clinton-blood-clot-life-threatening-medical-experts/story?id=18101213
http://nypost.com/2015/11/16/hillary-is-often-confused-says-trusted-aide-huma-in-fresh-emails/
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hillary-clinton-health-issues-cough/2016/02/18/id/714964/
https://regated.com/2016/08/hillary-clinton-revealed-serious-health-issues-possible-brain-damage/

Seriously? She had a concussion in 2012? She had a cough in February.
She had a blood clot in 2013 that threatened her life. This is pure desperation at this stage.

There is 0 evidence and I do mean 0 in what you have provided that she has major health issues at the moment. In 2012 and 2013 sure I would agree with you, she had health issues. However the great thing about science is that we have figured out how to help the body heal itself. Unless you have evidence that she has issues now then your argument is worthless (well I guess it is some deflection away from Donald's tax returns which seem more and more likely to have something dodgy in them).

I have had many coughing fits over the course of my life so far. I am 100% healthy. I am sure you have had them to as they happen occasionally when you get a cold or some other minor infection. Then you have her stalling on her lines for a second (then replayed 5 times to give the impression of it being longer).