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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.
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About 5 to 10% below starting point if memory serves; started with a steep drop and then slowly climbed back up but never hit the same peak as before; this chart is one example but you'd also need to add in the GBP loss in value to it which is not included.Call Me Jimmy wrote: »What was the actual effect of brexit? There was the same talk, I never followed how it went after that?
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A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »Don't be daft. Anti-gay marriage is not a movement in its own right outside a referendum campaign.
Lets be honest here. The people who voted No are probably mainly rural pensioners who are easily fobbed off with free fivers in the annual Budget.
They don't have the energy or the will to get behind any sort of crackpot Trump wannabe that might spawn on these shores.
Irish society has plenty of problems to deal with. All advanced economies do. But we are a lot more cohesive than most of our neighbours. There is a tradition in Ireland of pragmatic, non-ideological, consensus-building politics.
This has sometimes been a weakness, but it does filter out the crazies.
This is the exact mistake the political elite made in the US and the UK. They presumed that these people do not count that nobody will chase that section of the vote. It is wide open for some one to grab. We see mini versions of it where independents are elected who the Dublin liberal media deginerate and laugh at.Yes all politicians have to essentially lie to get elected because if you speak with 100% honesty and integrity, much of what you say will be misinterpreted by the opposition (deliberately), media(deliberately and lack of understanding context) and a huge chunk of the electorate (lack of understanding of context). And you will not get elected. This means as a politician you have to account for this and rephrase your messages and compromising on certain policies in order to have a chance of getting elected.
To my mind, there is a BIG difference between the above, and what Donald Trump has done. Trump has out-rightly lied and blatantly manipulated much of the electorate.
To good politicians, lying is a necessary evil. To Trump, it WAS his strategy.
Did you read you post before you posted itThomas_... wrote: »I think that to put it in general terms, the line to draw between a ultra conservative and a far-right party is a very tiny one and this also because you used the term "ultra" which also points out to the extreme of the political varieties.
Maybe I should not have used the word ultra. However the Irish political system has a nutty left, a mild left and two large centerists parties. No part has tried to occupy the conservative right, the PD did it from a business point but but were not socially conservative. As people get older they tend to get more conservative in there attitudes. Those that deginrate Trump call it pandering but is that what Richard Boyad Barret, Paul Murphy Ruth Copinger do on the left.A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »Of course it is. But I'm not trying to sell a candidate or a referendum here.
If this were a campaign I'd change my tone. I've always maintained that Brexit was lost because of arrogance and bluntness, even if it was often honest bluntness.
Trump voters were talked down to, and that just made them antagonistic. I think that was a massive mistake. But it doesn't obviate my belief that most of the uneducated, myopic white men who voted for Trump are complete idiots.
Not a natural-born US citizen, thank Christ!
In other words you would lie lie some are accusing Trump of doingThe contractors are already lined up......
It funny but it also show a complete lack of respect for three people who were democratly elected.Slava Ukrainii
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