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El Presidente Trump

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  • #872
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Sadly I'm not completely surprised at his win.

    It's like Brexit: people who feel abandoned by government and neoliberal economic policy...
    a) are attracted by someone who promises to create jobs, and blames their issues on external bogeymen...
    and b) get fed up at people who tar all Brexit/Trump supporters as racist sexist bastard idiots, and can't understand why people would want to vote they way they do, because they don't consider these people, who are often pretty invisible to the middle and upper classes. This makes these supporters understandably defensive and more entrenched in their support.

    Of course a lot of racist sexist bastard idiots also voted for Brexit and Trump, but there was also a sizeable proportion of former working-class people who've felt completely abandoned by modern politics, and those who assume they're racist sexist bastard idiots.
    Sadly, neither Brexit nor Trump will do anything for them at all, which is the real tragedy of all this.

    So I can understand the disadvantaged of America voting for Trump. What's interesting is the number of polls which asked people if he had the right temperament for the role, or if they agreed with everything he believed, which had very high rates of negative response. Obviously a lot of people thought "this guy's a f*cking bullying ass, but he says he's going to get my job back, whereas Hillary ain't promising me nothing."
    It would've been really interesting to see a Sanders/Trump election. I won't assume Sanders would've won, as the word "socialism" is still a dirty one, but at least he would have tried to truly represent the disaffected and offer them something. It's a pity the Democratic Party made sure that didn't happen.

    I've no idea though, why any Irish person would support such a vile goon as Trump.


  • #873
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Walter H Price wrote: »
    who cares though lets be honest its hardly a criminal offence like , ok its in bad taste but its a big so what really

    It wouldn't be accepted from someone who works in the local corner shop, never mind the leader of the free world. Your attitude towards his comments is depressing.


  • #874
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    anna080 wrote: »
    It wouldn't be accepted from someone who works in the local corner shop, never mind the leader of the free world. Your attitude towards his comments is depressing.

    The laws, and standards of behaviour (like taxes) only really apply to the little people.


  • #875
    Easy Rod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Easy Rod


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Did you read it?

    I did and I'm glad I did. It's put to bed one of my bigger concerns about his character. I didn't know anything about that reported and his condition, I didn't know Trump was making flustered gestures, I was led to believe he was mocking someone with cerebral palsy. People have no integrity. They will twist anything to suit their agenda.

    I read it. He was absolutely mocking his disability. There's no debate. The Catholics for Trump tell you that he was making 'Flustered gestures' and you believe it? Ridiculous. He was talking about a specific journalist and mocked his disability.


  • #876
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
    On the plus side the first lady is an absolute bang! :P

    Just need Sarko to get back his crown in France - though, I never really thought much of her


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  • #877
    NI24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I'm a young educated American woman so yes I can presume to speak for young women a lot more than a middle aged Irish/American man can.
    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Well, then, she should have voted for someone else if she didn't like Clinton. Otherwise, she contributed to this mess.
    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Oh so then I guess being outnumbered in a 3:2 ratio isn't worth much if it isn't resulting in degrees or degrees that lead to jobs is it?


  • #878
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    The laws, and standards of behaviour (like taxes) only really apply to the little people.

    or the security of classified information


  • #879
    Walter H Price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Walter H Price


    anna080 wrote: »
    It wouldn't be accepted from someone who works in the local corner shop, never mind the leader of the free world. Your attitude towards his comments is depressing.

    it wasnt in good taste but like i said hardly the be all and end all like , tbh id say theres a good few people on here who've done similar tbh or use words like retard downey spastick capper etc ... no biggie


  • #880
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    You'll be on here saying the same thing with the NF are elected in France. People like you are causing this surge in support for the far right.

    Immigration isn't as big an issue in France as the racists are pointing out. If they win anything, like trump, it will be on the back of what people think they can do for them economically.

    Check out the eurobarometer http://ec.europa.eu/COMMFrontOffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/Chart/index

    'Two most important issues you are facing at the moment'

    Like last night, immigration is way down the list. If you're a far-right, racist extremist party in Europe, you need more than the 'immigration bogey man coming to get you' trick.


  • #881
    OwaynOTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,619 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html

    Looks like the Canadians will be putting up their own wall to stop illegals coming from south of the border.
    Canada looking to trump Trump's wall.


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  • #882
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I am laughing so much at how people compared him to Hitler, absolute idiots who just created a group for Trump who would never leave him no matter what he said. Questioning his voters morals.

    Hitler wrote a book on the covetous Jew and the corrupting influence of the Jew.

    Trump wrote a book on how to negotiate business deals.

    Clearly Trump is Hitler 2.
    If I was Jewish I would have thought the Hitler comparisons as being utterly bizarre. It was as if people thought Hitler was just some mythical being representing evil and not an actual real dictator who murdered over 6 million Jews. Unbelievable.


  • #883
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    dav3 wrote: »
    Immigration isn't as big an issue in France as the racists are pointing out.
    :rolleyes:

    Its an issue for lots of people, including non-racists. Which is the part you keep missing.


  • #884
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    I suppose there'll be a mad scramble now to find Trump's Irish ancestors, if any, and where they're from. ;)


  • #885
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    There are a few here that are starting to attack each other, not the posts.
    Please keep this discussion civil.
    Thanks.


  • #886
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    For what its worth, im not sure this will be the apocalype some are predicting. The US president has surprisingly limited ability to act in isolation. I think he may well end up being a bit of a Ronald Reagan type of president. Not a completely good thing by any means but equally not a disaster.

    yes I agree, Trump is the ultimate pragmatist. He's utterly without political ideology and for me thats great


  • #887
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    railer201 wrote: »
    I suppose there'll be a mad scramble now to find his Irish ancestors, if any, and where they're from. ;)

    Probably an O'Brien.


  • #888
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    dav3 wrote: »
    Immigration isn't as big an issue in France as the racists are pointing out.

    you're going to have sand coming out of your ears for months!


  • #889
    sky88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Love when the elected says its time for unity across all parties when theyve just spent 8 years doing the opposite.

    every party and every country is the same


  • #890
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Sadly I'm not completely surprised at his win.

    It's like Brexit: people who feel abandoned by government and neoliberal economic policy...
    a) are attracted by someone who promises to create jobs, and blames their issues on external bogeymen...
    and b) get fed up at people who tar all Brexit/Trump supporters as racist sexist bastard idiots, and can't understand why people would want to vote they way they do. This makes these supporters understandably defensive and more entrenched in their support.

    Of course a lot of racist sexist bastard idiots also voted for Brexit and Trump, but there was also a sizeable proportion of former working-class people who've felt completely abandoned by modern politics, and those who assume they're racist sexist bastard idiots.
    Sadly, neither Brexit nor Trump will do anything for them at all, which is the real tragedy of all this.

    So I can understand the disadvantaged of America voting for Trump. What's interesting is the number of polls which asked people if he had the right temperament for the role, or if they agreed with everything he believed. Obviously a lot of people thought "this guy's a f*cking bullying ass, but he says he's going to get my job back, whereas Hillary ain't promising me nothing."
    It would've been really interesting to see a Sanders/Trump election. I won't assume Sanders would've won, as the word "socialism" is still a dirty one, but at least he would have tried to truly represent the disaffected and offer them something. It's a pity the Democratic Party made sure that didn't happen.

    I've no idea though, why any Irish person would support such a vile goon as Trump.

    But the type of politicians who would look after the working class who have been disenfranchised are socialists politicians but they hate socialism in America so they really don't know what they want and the truth is there will always be people left behind in a country.

    I couldn't give a toss who won the election but it really is hilarious that American's voted for Trump who is the type of person that has benefited most from this system that they are railing against.


  • #891
    midnight city
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭midnight city


    In his speech he clearly referred to Citizens and Americans he did not talk of the people of america. I think anyone illegally in the country can read a lot into that.


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  • #892
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    I've no idea though, why any Irish person would support such a vile goon as Trump.

    Because he gave money to the IRA during the Troubles.


  • #893
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If I was Jewish I would have thought the Hitler comparisons as being utterly bizarre. It was as if people thought Hitler was just some mythical being representing evil and not an actual real dictator who murdered over 6 million Jews. Unbelievable.
    But what about all the racists that were emboldened by Trump? That's what terrifies a lot of people. And that Trump was almost at pains not to distance himself from them, it's hardly surprising that many associated Trump with only racist voters.

    (And let's be honest, it doesn't help that Trump kept using Hitler quotes.)


  • #894
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    midnight city wrote: »
    In his speech he clearly referred to Citizens and Americans he did not talk of the people of america. I think anyone illegally in the country can read a lot into that.

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing? If you break the law, you get deported. That's just simple fact.


  • #895
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    railer201 wrote: »
    I suppose there'll be a mad scramble now to find Trump's Irish ancestors, if any, and where they're from. ;)

    Bound to be from Offaly.


  • #896
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    BoatMad wrote: »
    yes , but then whats the point

    Frustration
    Hopelessness
    'We may as well things can't get any worse.'
    He is straight talking, an outsider not one of 'them'


  • #897
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    How was she threatened if she had anonymity exactly? SHE said she was threatened, it doesn't make it true.

    Personally I think it was a pile of ****. Those DNC agents were hiring mentally ill people to go cause trouble at Trump rallies, who knows what else they were doing.

    Through her lawyer who was named.

    I said her saying it doesn't make it true very specifically. Trump saying he didn't do it also does not make that true which is why judgement should be reserved on both.

    You can think what you like. Do you also think the conservative commentator who said he would grab his musket if Trump lost was a plant?


  • #898
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    By being a good person?

    This is the exact baseless horseshlt that got him elected. You're trying to make something out of nothing and it's so obvious. I'm glad you're so butthurt you have to make up allegations of sexism to try and win this argument.
    Relax with the hysteria. I never mentioned the word in bold. You have twice. Take a look at yourself before projecting onto myself.


  • #899
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    This advert is pretty powerful and was aired constantly over the last 4 or 5 days I believe. It may have turned a few heads.



  • #900
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    humanji wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If I was Jewish I would have thought the Hitler comparisons as being utterly bizarre. It was as if people thought Hitler was just some mythical being representing evil and not an actual real dictator who murdered over 6 million Jews. Unbelievable.
    But what about all the racists that were emboldened by Trump? That's what terrifies a lot of people. And that Trump was almost at pains not to distance himself from them, it's hardly surprising that many associated Trump with only racist voters.

    (And let's be honest, it doesn't help that Trump kept using Hitler quotes.)
    A mass murderer dictator who started the worst war of all time? Get real.


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  • #901
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Through her lawyer who was named.

    I said her saying it doesn't make it true very specifically. Trump saying he didn't do it also does not make that true which is why judgement should be reserved on both.

    You can think what you like. Do you also think the conservative commentator who said he would grab his musket if Trump lost was a plant?

    there were no threats. this is why the case was dropped; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow


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