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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #7442
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Very good speech by Trump.


  • #7443
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As with Brexit and to a lesser extent the Irish Election , the US people would seem to have allowed their not unreasonable anger and frustration at a broken system over-ride common sense.

    Just as Brexit is absolutely not the right thing for the UK , Trump is absolutely not the right thing for the US in terms of fixing the things that are broken.

    The Frustrated "Ordinary guy" has just voted for self-immolation to clear up a rash.

    As I previously said , I totally understand that people were/are frustrated with the system in the US. Just as I understood peoples frustration in the UK and as I understood people in Ireland feeling that they had missed out on any recovery that was being described by Government.

    But the reaction to that shouldn't be a vote for utter chaos , which is what they are now seeing in the UK with Brexit , which awaits the US with Trump and that we are beginning to see here in Ireland with a neutered government having to roll over for every union request that comes their way..

    Will people learn the hard way?


  • #7444
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,560 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Sounded pretty gracious for the few minutes I listen to his acceptance speech

    Hitler waited a few hours before starting to round up the Jews....

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #7445
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!


  • #7446
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    This speech is a rambling mess, like the next 4 years will be.


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  • #7447
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Because the Benghazi guards she hired under her watch were terrorists who turned on the facility.

    So should Trump be held to account for all the hiring decisions in his organisation, or is this just another case of the double standard in operation?


  • #7448
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Grand victory speech.


  • #7449
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,657 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Hitler waited a few hours before starting to round up the Jews....

    Goodwinned minutes after his acceptance speech.

    Well done.


  • #7450
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    I stayed up until 3am to watch the votes start to come in, and even as his rise continued, I still didn't think he would actually win, you could see the markets **** itself even when he was just leading the voting in certain states like Florida, and still everyone thought no way is h going to win.

    Just woke up and it feels an even bigger shock than Brexit, bigger shock than Leicester winning the league, or Ireland beating the All Blacks. Unbelievable.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #7451
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Gael23 wrote: »
    So many former US politicians will turn in their graves today

    Yep, right about now Lincoln is thinking "should've just let them secede - it would've been better in the long run" :)


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  • #7452
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    FISMA. wrote: »
    Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!
    I think that spot will go to Rudy.


  • #7453
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    FISMA. wrote: »
    Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!
    Ben Carson as SG is a good pick.


  • #7454
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    FISMA. wrote: »
    Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!

    Sorry, I think you mean Attorney General Giuliani!


  • #7455
    Lirange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Gael23 wrote: »
    So many former US politicians will turn in their graves today

    So many current US politicians may drink themselves into their graves today.


  • #7456
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,354 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Now we'll have to wait til the new year to see what US foreign and trade policies he'll adapt for the Americas, For Europe and for the world in general to see what way our combined future histories will be. I'm listening to the commentators talking about Don immediately scrapping all of Barak's acts and deals, incl Obama-care.


  • #7457
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    CNN say Trump will go over 300 electoral votes.

    Easy win for Trump in the end.

    The Republican strategy to block Obama's Supreme court nominee has worked.


  • #7458
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,560 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Goodwinned minutes after his acceptance speech.

    Well done.

    Hitler wasn't godwinned until years after he was elected...

    America has elected a maniac as president. We are now in an episode of Rick and Morti. Anything is possible but global annihilation is the likely outcome

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #7459
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Now we'll have to wait til the new year to see what US foreign and trade policies he'll adapt for the Americas, For Europe and for the world in general to see what way our combined future histories will be.
    Well if we'd go by what was said it would be a negative for UK for sure as USA would go more protectionist in their approach and give tax rebates to bring back cash from outside of USA. On the other hand I'm not sure what manufacturing / jobs you'd move from USA to UK (or vice versa) but I could see UK's ship and flight industry taking a hit (domestic push for American companies) though.


  • #7460
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Irrespective of whichever side they are on, I always hope that the US President will be one of the smartest guys in the room. With Obama you felt that - the same with the elder Bush. Even the younger Bush wasn't half as stupid as his detractors made him out to be.

    But Trump - Mr "we have nuclear weapons why don't we use them?".


  • #7461
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    cnocbui wrote: »
    They voted for Bush twice!, so Trump isn't a stretch at all, unfortunately.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.


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  • #7462
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    So trump praising Clinton in his victory speech. Thought he wanted to jail her.
    Breaking promises already.


  • #7463
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    FISMA. wrote: »
    Nope. Trump won tonight.
    alastair wrote: »
    Best of luck with that. :D

    :rolleyes:

    BTW - where's Overheal? - meant to say thanks for the early SC win!


  • #7464
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    20Cent wrote: »
    So trump praising Clinton in his victory speech. Thought he wanted to jail her.
    Breaking promises already.

    They can get back to being best of friends now.


  • #7465
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    learn_more wrote: »
    Today, is one of the most depressing days of my life. I'm totally shocked. Not surprised, but shocked all the same.

    It is not depressing.

    It's over to you Trump, Brexit etc.

    It's a time for the left to rediscover what the wordleft really means, which isn't going Corbyn 80's style socialism (bless his cotton socks, heart in the right place) or selling out basic common decency and fairness to Blairism and Bertieism.

    Union workers will come back to the Democratic party when it finds out Trump sold them out. Trump wants business's to profit more and cut costs and regulations which means... Jobs and wages.

    It's up to the Democrats to put that message across.

    This was a presidency that would last 4 yearsml. It's up to Democrats to find another Obama or even a Sanders.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #7466
    meepins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭meepins


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7WSLTwZPZU


  • #7467
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    hmmm wrote: »
    Irrespective of whichever side they are on, I always hope that the US President will be one of the smartest guys in the room. With Obama you felt that - the same with the elder Bush. Even the younger Bush wasn't half as stupid as his detractors made him out to be.

    But Trump - Mr "we have nuclear weapons why don't we use them?".

    Bush minor's strength was that he knew his own limitations and had the sense to appoint some clever thinkers around him - you mightn't have agreed with his/their ideas but at least there was some intellectual basis.

    I sincerely doubt that Trump even a grain of the same sense of self-awareness, and I'd wonder just how welcoming he'd be of dissent? Will he fire people who disagree with him, or welcome their counterpoint and considerate it before acting? Personally, I doubt he'll be very welcoming of perspectives that run counter to his, and he'll be looking for yes men and women.


  • #7468
    minikin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭minikin


    The shark has been trumped, time for the brits to take back their colony...


  • #7469
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    CNN say Trump will go over 300 electoral votes.

    Easy win for Trump in the end.

    The Republican strategy to block Obama's Supreme court nominee has worked.

    Given who will win the most votes is still up in the air I would say that easy might not be the correct phrase.

    Given this could be the second idiot the electoral college will elect over the wishes of the voting public it will hopefully give an incentive to get rid of the system altogether.


  • #7470
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    Been saying it for a while and would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Trump: NO MORE BUSH's, NO MORE CLINTON's, and NO MORE KENNEDY's!!!


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  • #7471
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Given this could be the second idiot the electoral college will elect over the wishes of the voting public it will hopefully give an incentive to get rid of the system altogether.
    That is as likely as Politicians starting to vote for their salaries to be lowered; even the Democrats would never bother pushing for it for the simple reason it could rock the boat to much (and they would be the likely benefactor of the change after all).


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