2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

FISMA. · 05-11-2016 04:34PM

Things are pretty bad when a Democratic Elector in the Electoral College won't vote for the Democratic nomination, even if she wins the votes in the area.

Washington state elector says he won't vote for Clinton

Sofa Spud · 05-11-2016 04:42PM

FISMA. wrote: »

Things are pretty bad when a Democratic Elector in the Electoral College won't vote for the Democratic nomination, even if she wins the votes in the area.

Washington state elector says he won't vote for Clinton

Had to have guessed it would be a 'Bernie or Bust' diehard. Clinton has many, many faults and the way the DNC was stacked against Bernie needs to be dealt with, but to throw your toys out of the pram and potentially (very, very unlikely) help elect the polar opposite of Bernie is beyond childish....

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 04:44PM

gosplan wrote: »

So reports of anti-gvt militia groups and neo-fascists gearing up to monitor polling stations.

Based on false claims from Trump about rigged elections.

Regardless of which way you lean, the prospect of random untrained punters showing up at polling booths possibly armed with the intention of making sure everything is 'fair' is not good.

I'm sure lots of them will be fine but then you also have the armed guy saying he's keeping a close eye on 'anyone who doesn't speak American'

They're just answering Trump's call though.

He's a very dangerous person.

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.

The fact is out of a population of somewhere around 320 million people, the USA did a pretty awful job in finding front runners to lead the country.

Christy42 · 05-11-2016 04:47PM

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

Strange you don't comment on those posts that assumed the woman in question was lying and should be sued for defamation.

Some how I don't see Trump doing more than his usual threatening to sue. Actually on the point of Trump suing people, isn't he meant to sue the New York Times for defamation as well?

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 04:54PM

Sofa Spud wrote: »

Had to have guessed it would be a 'Bernie or Bust' diehard. Clinton has many, many faults and the way the DNC was stacked against Bernie needs to be dealt with, but to throw your toys out of the pram and potentially (very, very unlikely) help elect the polar opposite of Bernie is beyond childish....

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Sofa Spud · 05-11-2016 04:59PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Indeed, totally agree, and I can see where they are coming from, but to elect Trump by default simply makes no sense.

Also, Hillary has adopted a sizeable chunk of Bernie's platform - hence his going out to stump for her - but that does not get covered in an election that seems to be completely void of any substantive policy discussion - look at this thread...

rossie1977 · 05-11-2016 04:59PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Sanders is actually polar opposite of what the democrats are as a party ie a right leaning centrist party

gosplan · 05-11-2016 05:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.

The fact is out of a population of somewhere around 320 million people, the USA did a pretty awful job in finding front runners to lead the country.

The above claim is a bit suspect. Did 'the clintons' get money or did a charity get money.

Nonetheless the type of personality that when faced with maybe losing something invents an enemy/conspiracy and encourages armed people to go out and be vigilant against it is far far far more worrying.

Nody · 05-11-2016 05:22PM

RobertKK wrote: »

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.

And the USA under Bush sold them hundred of billions worth of modern weapons; so clearly the republican administration did not have an issue with them.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 05:26PM

gosplan wrote: »

The above claim is a bit suspect. Did 'the clintons' get money or did a charity get money.

Nonetheless the type of personality that when faced with maybe losing something invents an enemy/conspiracy and encourages armed people to go out and be vigilant against it is far far far more worrying.

Look they are all involved in conspiracy theories. Trump with a rigged voting system, now with Black voting numbers down, there are claims of voter suppression from Democrats.
Trump not believing the polls when they had him doing bad, while the Democrats praising James Comey to the hilt until he announced a laptop with 650,000 linked to the Hillary Clinton private server became a huge issue again.

The Clintons have used their foundation to garner speaking fees outside the charity.
What was Bill Clinton doing that the Qatari state who are linked with funding ISIS decided that Bill should get a gift to the foundation of $1 million for his birthday?
The Saudi's who donated $25 million to the foundation and Hillary as Secretary of State signs off on the largest ever arms deal to Saudi Arabia, which in turn has been in used in the war against Yemen, where the Saudis are blockading everything including food, and pictures of starving people are coming out of Yemen.
Hillary has been an accessory to these crimes against humanity. We remember when our own ancestors starved due to a government who didn't care.
Hillary should be answering for her role in helping a nation in a war where the country she helped is also choosing to starve people.

FISMA. · 05-11-2016 05:50PM

All the chips are on the table. Not much time to call left.

Can't wait to see the cards that everyone in this game is holding!

Anonymous is making some pretty big statements.

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It’s About to Hit The Fan. ANONYMOUS: ‘Remember, Remember, The 5th Of November’

Anonymous just revealed why they changed their plan and what will happen on November 5th. Buckle up, it’s gonna get bumpy!

Just in *** Breaking News ***

Anonymous No.95833740

Over the next few days many new documents will be released. The contents of these documents will contain evidence of perhaps the largest coverup in American History. Before this happens we would like to explain ourselves and answer a few questions you may have.

Until this month, WikiLeaks and Anonymous have worked together in building an efficient, detailed, comprehensive set of documents that would be responsible for the incarceration of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and 21 individuals ranging from the DNC, FBI, CIA, and Clinton foundation. These documents will show without a doubt, evidence of Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Election Fraud/Manipulation, and Bribery.

This was intended to be the October surprise. But before the release of these documents, we were contacted by a member of the FBI, as well as another from the CIA, and a week later by the NYPD. All with information retaining to something much darker than even we imagined.

Due to the nature of these leaks, we all worked together as efficiently as possible to ensure two objectives.
That all necessary information would be given to the public in an organized, searchable, manageable way.

Those who provided us with this information would be able to find safety before these releases were made. (This concern wasn’t without warrant.)

Anonymous No.95833807

The new leaks being released this week will provide documents in the form of emails, pictures, and videos. Within these will be evidence of Bill Clinton, as well as at least 6 other Government officials, taking part in acts with minors. As well as evidence of Human trafficking that also included minors.

We believe these pictures and videos were taken for the purpose of political manipulation. In order to make sure all participants followed through on a previously agreed agenda.

These documents were given to us by an American Governement official when he had come to learn that this crime had been covered up by Hilary and her staff through methods including bribery and blackmail. He also told us that due to the restricted access to these documents, they would soon know he was the one who released him to us.

We tried to make arrangements for him to exit the country safely, but he was killed before those arrangements could be carried out. We are still not sure if this is because they became aware of the leak, or if they were scared that he may in the future. In either case, his identity will be made public in this next set of leaks so that he can be honored for the hero that he was.

We will not only be releasing these documents, but we have multiple memebers of the FBI, CIA, and NYBD who will be publicly verifying their authenticity once their safety is assured.

This hack has not come from Russia or anyone else they may try to blame this on. This is a leak from Americas own Government Officials who fear for their safety had the opposed them directly due to reasons that will be made clear soon.

We thank you for your patience, as well as your determination and assistance in helping us expose the corruption that has infested our own government. Democracy will be restored to America.

Remember remember the 5th of November

Anonymous also just released the following video:

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 06:04PM

Ah lads, she's a crook but this is nuts.

mrkiscool2 · 05-11-2016 06:04PM

538 have given Nevada back to Trump, Florida and North Carolina staying steady for Trump, Trump still eating into Clinton's lead in New Hampshire. NH will decide this election now it seems.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 06:22PM

FISMA. wrote: »

All the chips are on the table. Not much time to call left.

Can't wait to see the cards that everyone in this game is holding!

Anonymous is making some pretty big statements.

*************************************************

It’s About to Hit The Fan. ANONYMOUS: ‘Remember, Remember, The 5th Of November’

Anonymous just revealed why they changed their plan and what will happen on November 5th. Buckle up, it’s gonna get bumpy!

Just in *** Breaking News ***

Anonymous No.95833740

Over the next few days many new documents will be released. The contents of these documents will contain evidence of perhaps the largest coverup in American History. Before this happens we would like to explain ourselves and answer a few questions you may have.

Until this month, WikiLeaks and Anonymous have worked together in building an efficient, detailed, comprehensive set of documents that would be responsible for the incarceration of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and 21 individuals ranging from the DNC, FBI, CIA, and Clinton foundation. These documents will show without a doubt, evidence of Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Election Fraud/Manipulation, and Bribery.

This was intended to be the October surprise. But before the release of these documents, we were contacted by a member of the FBI, as well as another from the CIA, and a week later by the NYPD. All with information retaining to something much darker than even we imagined.

Due to the nature of these leaks, we all worked together as efficiently as possible to ensure two objectives.
That all necessary information would be given to the public in an organized, searchable, manageable way.

Those who provided us with this information would be able to find safety before these releases were made. (This concern wasn’t without warrant.)

Anonymous No.95833807

The new leaks being released this week will provide documents in the form of emails, pictures, and videos. Within these will be evidence of Bill Clinton, as well as at least 6 other Government officials, taking part in acts with minors. As well as evidence of Human trafficking that also included minors.

We believe these pictures and videos were taken for the purpose of political manipulation. In order to make sure all participants followed through on a previously agreed agenda.

These documents were given to us by an American Governement official when he had come to learn that this crime had been covered up by Hilary and her staff through methods including bribery and blackmail. He also told us that due to the restricted access to these documents, they would soon know he was the one who released him to us.

We tried to make arrangements for him to exit the country safely, but he was killed before those arrangements could be carried out. We are still not sure if this is because they became aware of the leak, or if they were scared that he may in the future. In either case, his identity will be made public in this next set of leaks so that he can be honored for the hero that he was.

We will not only be releasing these documents, but we have multiple memebers of the FBI, CIA, and NYBD who will be publicly verifying their authenticity once their safety is assured.

This hack has not come from Russia or anyone else they may try to blame this on. This is a leak from Americas own Government Officials who fear for their safety had the opposed them directly due to reasons that will be made clear soon.

We thank you for your patience, as well as your determination and assistance in helping us expose the corruption that has infested our own government. Democracy will be restored to America.

Remember remember the 5th of November

Anonymous also just released the following video:

There are claims Bill Clinton went to the island owned by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, 26 times and without the secret service.

There is smoke, but whether there is a fire is another thing.

FISMA. · 05-11-2016 06:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There is smoke, but whether there is a fire is another thing.

Y'up. That the Clinton's were on Orgy Island numerous times is old news. Hillary was there a few times. However, Bill was there far more.:rolleyes: Must be the frequent flier miles!

Point of the post is that Anonymous is going beyond travel itineraries and saying they have the coup de gras.

Again, everyone is going to have to show their hand soon!

Will be interesting to see who: has the best hand, is bluffing, has a wildcard, and of course, has been cheating!

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 06:32PM

FISMA. wrote: »

Y'up. That the Clinton's were on Orgy Island numerous times is old news. Hillary was there a few times. However, Bill was there far more.:rolleyes: Must be the frequent flier miles!

Point of the post is that Anonymous is going beyond travel itineraries and saying they have the coup de gras.

Again, everyone is going to have to show their hand soon!

Will be interesting to see who: has the best hand, is bluffing, has a wildcard, and of course, has been cheating!

If it exists it should be shown. That's my opinion.
The problem I have though with Wikileaks and Anonymous (and Trump sex assault accusers for that matter) is that this close to polling day it is 100% obviously to influence the election.

briany · 05-11-2016 06:33PM

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 06:37PM

briany wrote: »

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

Much as I always say to Assange or Wikileaks' detractors though: have they ever been wrong before?

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 06:38PM

briany wrote: »

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

My money is on crickets chirping.

alchemist33 · 05-11-2016 06:41PM

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

Very ironic given what else is going on in this thread.

B_Wayne · 05-11-2016 06:43PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Much as I always say to Assange or Wikileaks' detractors though: have they ever been wrong before?

This year, yep. Their Saudi and Turkish leaks only served to endanger innocent people. Were heavily criticised for both.

PopePalpatine · 05-11-2016 06:58PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

This year, yep. Their Saudi and Turkish leaks only served to endanger innocent people. Were heavily criticised for both.

Speaking of Wikileaks endangering innocent people...

Overheal · 05-11-2016 07:03PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Threats such as "you'll go to jail for perjury" perhaps?

More like her and her family would be "physically harmed, if not killed."

Who apparently made that threat you ask? Donald Trump

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

B_Wayne · 05-11-2016 07:06PM

Samples of Wikileaks endangering people... Neither leak revealed anything new or of note. In recent times their material has just reeked of Assange's self promotion more than anything.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/23/wikileaks-outs-gay-people-in-saudi-arabia-in-reckless-mass-data-dump/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 07:10PM

Overheal wrote: »

More like her and her family would be "physically harmed, if not killed."

Who apparently made that threat you ask? Donald Trump

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

Apparently? Convincing!
"Mr Trump threatened the plaintiff". Evidence presented to back this up? <null>
Her lawyer doesn't even say Trump threatened her, just that she was threatened. Played or what.
Next.

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 07:11PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

Samples of Wikileaks endangering people... Neither leak revealed anything new or of note. In recent times their material has just reeked of Assange's self promotion more than anything.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/23/wikileaks-outs-gay-people-in-saudi-arabia-in-reckless-mass-data-dump/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html

Neither of which are evidence of Wikileaks being wrong.
Wanna try again?

PopePalpatine · 05-11-2016 07:12PM

I'd imagine Assange has a serious grudge against the US political establishment, and I honestly can't say I don't blame him insofar as he started Wikileaks in the first place. Don't get me wrong, we need whistleblowers in society, it just so happens you'll never see Wikileaks target the Kremlin.

gosplan · 05-11-2016 07:14PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Look they are all involved in conspiracy theories. Trump with a rigged voting system, now with Black voting numbers down, there are claims of voter suppression from Democrats.
Trump not believing the polls when they had him doing bad, while the Democrats praising James Comey to the hilt until he announced a laptop with 650,000 linked to the Hillary Clinton private server became a huge issue again.

The Clintons have used their foundation to garner speaking fees outside the charity.
What was Bill Clinton doing that the Qatari state who are linked with funding ISIS decided that Bill should get a gift to the foundation of $1 million for his birthday?
The Saudi's who donated $25 million to the foundation and Hillary as Secretary of State signs off on the largest ever arms deal to Saudi Arabia, which in turn has been in used in the war against Yemen, where the Saudis are blockading everything including food, and pictures of starving people are coming out of Yemen.
Hillary has been an accessory to these crimes against humanity. We remember when our own ancestors starved due to a government who didn't care.
Hillary should be answering for her role in helping a nation in a war where the country she helped is also choosing to starve people.

There's no point here.

Bill Clinton used his status as ex-president to command loads of speaking fees - which every ex president does.

Hillary signed off on an arms deal to Saudi. Sorry but all arms deals are messed up. I don't in any way approve of that but given that arms production is a massive massive industry in the US, I imagine it's standard for the job.

Now like I said, Trump, when things weren't going his way, made stuff up about rigged elections and encouraged a bunch of far right people to turn up to police polling stations against fictitious enemies.

That is messed up.

What happens when congress block something he wants to do????

PopePalpatine · 05-11-2016 07:23PM

gosplan wrote: »

What happens when congress block something he wants to do????

I think Gabi Giffords would know all too well.

B_Wayne · 05-11-2016 07:31PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Neither of which are evidence of Wikileaks being wrong.
Wanna try again?

Well, there was literally nothing damning or newsworthy and they did claim there would be. They were irresponsible and put lives at risk. That's a dangerous lack of integrity. In terms of their recent leaks on Clinton, nope still nothing of note. You get insane interpretations of personal emails but that's about it, weird interpretations.

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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