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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #5942
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The woman who was to reveal her identity and sue Donald Trump was reported to have been the subject of multiple death threats. This is the reason she gave for cancelling her press conference 2 days ago.

    It's plausible that this woman was genuinely in fear of her life, but its also plausible that she just used this as an excuse to back out of the case because she was lying.

    I suspect that all of the Trump supporters will choose to believe the latter rather than the former.

    Because the case not going ahead now, we'll probably never know the truth

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5943
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Boll0cks. I accuse you of being a paedophile. Dirty paedophile.

    Now, I retract that statement.

    Just because I have retracted that statement doesn't mean that you did not molest kids.

    I guess I should just have my doubts about you because there was an accusation made against you

    You completely missed the point I was making in that post, didn't you? The withdrawal of the case in no way merited ebbsy's application of inverted commas here:
    ebbsy wrote:
    I see that "woman" that accused the Don of molesting her as a 13 year old has withdrawn her case.

    Nor have you addressed the underlying point I raised about rape cases and the general impact of them on rape victims. You're free to believe Trump has never raped anyone - that's not the issue under discussion here. My point is withdrawal of a rape case does not give an indication one way or the other and in that case, dehumanising any alleged victim is misplaced in the same way as dehumanising the suspect is also wrong.

    It is worth noting that Trump supporters are relying on the no smoke without fire aspect of accusation with respect to Clinton and a) emails b) Benghazi and c) Haiti and d) anything else they can dream up. In other words, there's an element of hypocrisy at play here.


  • #5944
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Iceboy wrote: »
    This rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper, the MS media are refusing to report on the latest wikileaks dumps in last 24hrs, absolutely disgusting what I have read in them, these people (Hilary and her cronies) are pure evil, using children for sexual entertainment, child trafficking and statanic rituals? What a time to be alive is all I can say

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM

    Erm.... This is the most ridiculous post in ages. I did see the paedophile conspiracy last night and the fact that people are lapping it up based on the most innocent email ever. Well, it's a reflection of intelligence or lack of. It really shows how incredibly boring their leaks are at moment.


    This is one of the tweets where the satanic paedophile cult comes from. Really makes you question people's ability to read.

    https://twitter.com/_Makada_/status/794697713350742017


  • #5945
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Boll0cks. I accuse you of being a paedophile. Dirty paedophile.

    Now, I retract that statement.

    Just because I have retracted that statement doesn't mean that you did not molest kids.

    I guess I should just have my doubts about you because there was an accusation made against you

    Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualt claims, and only in the last month have these women being coming forward in droves claiming sexual assault and about a few have already been proven to be total lies. Likely paid for by the Clinton campaign

    On the other side you have Billy boy who has settled multiple sexual assault cases and has been known for his sexual antics since the 70s


  • #5946
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Erm.... This is the most ridiculous post in ages. I did see the paedophile conspiracy last night and the fact that people are lapping it up based on the most innocent email ever. Well, it's a reflection of intelligence or lack of. It really shows how incredibly boring their leaks are at moment.


    This is one of the tweets where the satanic paedophile cult comes from. Really makes you question people's ability to read.

    https://twitter.com/_Makada_/status/794697713350742017

    To swim with men for 'further entertainment'? What mother says that?...


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  • #5947
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Looking through my email I Just realised I have links to Saudi Princes transferring tens of millions of dollars illegally and viagra trafficking. 😳


  • #5948
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Calina wrote: »
    My point is withdrawal of a rape case does not give an indication one way or the other
    It does however most certainly make the case irrelevant to this discussion.


  • #5949
    Omy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Omy


    Calina wrote: »
    Okay.

    A couple of points

    Why the inverted commas? Are you suggesting she's not a woman? Or that she's not human?

    Secondly: there is a tendency for women not to proceed with rape cases - not because they haven't been raped, but because scum bags make their lives miserable even if they have been raped because women get ganged up on. This happens on social media, this happens in real life. Women who even win rape cases do not get justice because oh their rapists get incredibly short rape sentences, if they do jailtime at all.

    Is Trump guilty or not? Who knows at this point? But the one point you and people like you need to understand is the absence of a rape charge does not mean a rape did not take place.

    Calling a woman a "woman" is childish and ignorant.

    In the meantime, I don't think any woman who had a viable case against Trump right now would take it because Trump supporters, well I doubt they'd even believe a guilty verdict in a court of law.

    I have to make a comment on the claim that people convicted of rape do not serve time, I recently went through a lot of recent Court of Appeal case in Ireland the most usual sentence was 10 year a number of cases even got 14 years and a very few got life. If I remember there was more who got life than got a fully suspended sentence.

    In relation to the reason for Jane Doe withdrawal of her claim, 2 days ago she was going to revel her name at a press conference but stated at the press conference that she was attacked and told put under serious pressure.

    "According to Bloom, the accuser going by the pseudonym "Jane Doe" decided she would rather not appear in public after receiving numerous death threats."

    I can not link.


  • #5950
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualtclaims, and only in the last month have these women being coming forward in droves claiming sexual assault and about a few have already been proven to be total lies. Likely paid for by the Clinton campaign

    On the other side you have Billy boy who has settled multiple sexual assault cases and has been known for his sexual antics since the 70s

    That's not true. Neither is the rest.

    To imply Trump isn't known for his sexual antics?

    Everyone should take a moment and think what would the outcome be if Trump was running against a woman who had 5 kids from 3 fathers and numerous public affairs.

    The sexism throughout this entire election is utterly apparent.

    Black man>White woman .... It seems


  • #5951
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    To swim with men for 'further entertainment'? What mother says that?...

    This is full on conspiracy theorist stuff.

    You may as well talk about the Clinton link to Aliens.

    Plenty of parents find their kids entertaining and that's a perfectly normal nice way of saying 'it won't be quiet'.

    Of course if you look hard enough and have the will, you can find and believe whatever you want.

    People say a lot about the media now but the real thing about this campaign is how totally inconsequential things like truth and policy are when it comes to judging who should be president.

    Really unbelievable stuff.


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  • #5952
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualt claims

    There are sexual assault and misconduct claims against trump going back to the 1980s actually including his former wife Ivana.


  • #5953
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Iceboy wrote: »
    To swim with men for 'further entertainment'? What mother says that?...

    well, not the mother in the email, because she didn't say that. If she did, then you wouldn't have had to paraphrase it in a way to make it seem as seedy as possible

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5954
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualt claims, and only in the last month have these women being coming forward in droves claiming sexual assault and about a few have already been proven to be total lies. Likely paid for by the Clinton campaign

    On the other side you have Billy boy who has settled multiple sexual assault cases and has been known for his sexual antics since the 70s

    Trump has admitted sexually assaulting women. Many women of some credibility have said they were sexually assaulted by men of power and influence but who never pursued prosecutions because of various factors such as endangering careers and the burden of proof. Just recently, Tippi Hedren in the case of Alfred Hitchcock.

    And you are completely wrong about there not being accusations of sexual assault in the past:
    In fact, women have been making allegations that Donald Trump has sexually assaulted or harassed them for decades, including in sworn court filings. Some of the behavior women have described to reporters closely parallels Trump's own characterization of his conduct in a recently unearthed 2005 recording.

    "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait," he told then-"Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush. (Access Hollywood is owned and distributed by NBCUniversal, the parent company of NBC News and MSNBC.) In the tape, Trump brags about how being a star means "you can do anything," including "grab them by the pussy."

    In a deposition filed during Trump's contentious 1990 divorce from his first wife Ivana, she described an incident she said took place in 1989. Ivana claims that Trump had gone to her plastic surgeon for painful scalp surgery, and lashed out at her afterward, ripping out hair from her scalp. Then, "He raped me," Ivana reportedly told her close friends, according to the 1993 book that first reported the deposition, "Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump."

    Allegation of sexual assault in 1992 and 1993, made in a court filing in 1997

    In a complaint filed in federal court in 1997, Jill Harth said that Trump, in the course of a business meeting, "repeatedly put his hands on [her] thighs" and attempted "to touch [her] intimate private parts."

    It didn't end there, Harth said in an interview with the Guardian. She described how Trump subsequently pushed her into his daughter Ivanka's room and "he pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again, and I had to physically say: 'What are you doing? Stop it.'"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/allegations-women-have-made-against-donald-trump-n665731


  • #5955
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Akrasia wrote: »
    The woman who was to reveal her identity and sue Donald Trump was reported to have been the subject of multiple death threats. This is the reason she gave for cancelling her press conference 2 days ago.

    It's plausible that this woman was genuinely in fear of her life, but its also plausible that she just used this as an excuse to back out of the case because she was lying.

    I suspect that all of the Trump supporters will choose to believe the latter rather than the former.

    Because the case not going ahead now, we'll probably never know the truth

    She probably didn't get paid by Hillary and said "**** it I'm not doing this for nowt".


  • #5956
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.


  • #5957
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    TheOven wrote: »
    Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.

    Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.


  • #5958
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    So reports of anti-gvt militia groups and neo-fascists gearing up to monitor polling stations.

    Based on false claims from Trump about rigged elections.

    Regardless of which way you lean, the prospect of random untrained punters showing up at polling booths possibly armed with the intention of making sure everything is 'fair' is not good.

    I'm sure lots of them will be fine but then you also have the armed guy saying he's keeping a close eye on 'anyone who doesn't speak American'

    They're just answering Trump's call though.

    He's a very dangerous person.


  • #5959
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,428 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Overheal wrote: »
    Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.

    Yeah, but it's not like she would have gone beforehand, "Oh, well, I'll just put it out there that I'm about to make this huge allegation and that'll be fine."

    Anyone living in the world who's been watching the news knows how crazy Trump supporters can be, and likewise we know what a cesspool social media can be. So, you unfortunately have to be braced for that stuff before wading in, so to speak.


  • #5960
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Overheal wrote: »
    Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.
    Threats such as "you'll go to jail for perjury" perhaps?


  • #5961
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    ebbsy wrote: »
    I see that "woman" that accused the Don of molesting her as a 13 year old has withdrawn her case.

    Hopefully he will sue the pants off her.

    Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?


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  • #5962
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    aloyisious wrote:
    Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?

    Oh god!


  • #5963
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Pennsylvania: Tied

    http://harperpolling.com/polls/pennsylvania-statewide-poll--11-2-3#PresidentTIE

    New Hampshire: Tied

    https://www.uml.edu/docs/TOPLINE-NH-GENERAL-20161103_tcm18-264691.pdf

    Colorado: Tied

    http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/

    Michigan: Tied

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/

    Nevada: Tied

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/nvelection-8-news-now-poll-finds-clinton-trump-races-tied

    Lions and Tigers and Bears..... Oh My?


  • #5964
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?
    Could you not say that without using the word "point" which is quite phallic?


  • #5965
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Specially for the Don supporter team, the following was on facebook. I tried to download the saved F/B link but faced a request to prove I was a human, went no further there.

    It said the head of the Dept of Homeland Security had told Fox News that Hillary was guilty of treason as she had ignored advice on her use of devices to receive and sent emails. I googled it and found the Conservative Daily News (online) is running with the same chatter. It's easily "googable" using the words..... department-of-homeland-security-chairman-officially-indicts-hillary-clinton-of-treason

    I'm sprinkling salt on the "story" cos it sounds so like conviction without trial.


  • #5966
    Arturo Bandini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭Arturo Bandini


    TheOven wrote: »
    Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.

    This is disgusting.

    Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

    In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.


  • #5967
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Specially for the Don supporter team, the following was on facebook. I tried to download the saved F/B link but faced a request to prove I was a human, went no further there.
    So you can't prove you are human but you want to moan about Trump supporters?


  • #5968
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Arturo Bandini wrote: »
    This is disgusting.

    Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

    In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

    Clinton and Obama apparently are utilizing the BIG LIE THEORY as their endgame in this election. Someone would be proud.


  • #5969
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    TheOven wrote: »
    Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely.
    And would Clinton supporters bad an eyelid if she supported rapist headchopper lunatics across the middle east...
    We don't even need to ask as it turns out, bit different from your "unlikely" Nostradamus.


  • #5970
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    The discourse is really going down the toilet.

    Like really.

    Child rape, child sex parties in hot tubs, satanic rituals.

    I can't wait till this is over.


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  • #5971
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    Amerika wrote: »
    Pennsylvania: Tied

    http://harperpolling.com/polls/pennsylvania-statewide-poll--11-2-3#PresidentTIE

    New Hampshire: Tied - B- rating from 538, so credible

    https://www.uml.edu/docs/TOPLINE-NH-GENERAL-20161103_tcm18-264691.pdf

    Colorado: Tied B Rating

    http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/

    Michigan: Tied No 538 Rating

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/

    Nevada: Tied C+ rating, so maybe not so credible

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/nvelection-8-news-now-poll-finds-clinton-trump-races-tied

    C+ rating, so maybe not so credible

    Lions and Tigers and Bears..... Oh My?

    Whatever about the credibility of the above polls, it still looks like the momentum, regardless of the intensity, is with Trump...


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