2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

alastair · 05-11-2016 05:04AM

Overheal wrote: »

I don't see how she deserves the label worst secretary of state in history. Rather she is the most negatively covered Secretary of State in history by the largest media in history and the most advanced social networks capabilities in history.

She's not even the worst SoS of the past few decades. Henry Kissinger takes a bit of beating for pure awfulness and piss-poor outcomes. Warren Chistopher has sod all to talk up, and Colin Powell, despite seeming to be a very nice man, was effectively run circles around by others in the administration. I seem to recall that the GOP talking point used to be about how Madeline Albright was the worst SoS ever too, and her record stands up along with Hillary.

brooke 2 · 05-11-2016 05:35AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump university has a fraud class action against it on November 28th and trump himself has a civil court case over alleged 1994 rape due on December 16th.

And don't forget Trump has an election on November 28th!!

brooke 2 · 05-11-2016 06:00AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I think when you have both the FBI and Wikileaks doing everything possible to get Trump elected then you have to accept that its looking like death by a thousand cuts for Hilary.

With so many undecided voters looking to be pushed either way its very easy for the FBI and Wikileaks to come in and muddy the waters sufficiently to swing it in Trumps favour.

Last Fridays announcement being a prime example. No actual proof of wrong doing on Clintons part was required in order to deliver huge damage.

Forget about Wikileaks. It is just the New York FBI alone, Giuliani and Kallstrom!! :mad::mad::mad:

brooke 2 · 05-11-2016 06:15AM

captbarnacles wrote: »

Polls and markets that showed an increase of a support for Trump have drifted back to towards Clinton again. Probably as people realised there was nothing behind the latest 'email scandal'.

Giuliani and Kallstrom will have to try harder! :mad:

brooke 2 · 05-11-2016 06:31AM

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm lol-ing now, a congressman has asked for a investigation by the inspector general of the DOJ into Giuliani's claims he spoke to and got information from the FBI so Rudy has doubled down on them, saying he never spoke to retired FBI agents.

Wolf Blitzer really showed him up this evening! What an abomination Giuliani is! :mad:

brooke 2 · 05-11-2016 06:41AM

alastair wrote: »

She's not even the worst SoS of the past few decades. Henry Kissinger takes a bit of beating for pure awfulness and piss-poor outcomes. Warren Chistopher has sod all to talk up, and Colin Powell, despite seeming to be a very nice man, was effectively run circles around by others in the administration. I seem to recall that the GOP talking point used to be about how Madeline Albright was the worst SoS ever too, and her record stands up along with Hillary.

Colin Powell lying to the UN about WMD had to be one of the worst.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 06:43AM

The Trump rape case was dismissed, sorry to disappoint some of the above posters. Voluntarily dismissed, another smear campaign. I hope Donald sticks to his word and sues everyone who made false allegations when the election is over.

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-318d-d416-abfe-bbdf51aa0001

I find it a bit hypocritical given the truck loads of evidence against the Clinton Foundation and the fact she's under several separate investigations, even if she wins it won't matter.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 07:08AM

RobertKK wrote: »

A Clinton rally currently on in Cleveland, it is more like a concert with Beyonce and Jay Z.
I think it helps increase the attendance and if you like the music artist you get a free concert.

Personally I think it gives a bad image.

I have 99 problems but the FBI ain't one.

Iceboy · 05-11-2016 08:08AM

This rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper, the MS media are refusing to report on the latest wikileaks dumps in last 24hrs, absolutely disgusting what I have read in them, these people (Hilary and her cronies) are pure evil, using children for sexual entertainment, child trafficking and statanic rituals? What a time to be alive is all I can say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHIAOJXNDM

Iceboy · 05-11-2016 08:34AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Yup, the emails are legit. Read them all earlier. There's way more than what's mentioned in the video.

From what I hear the further information that has yet to be leaked is so bad that even Assange does not want to leak it to the public but if Hilary gets in he is going to to drop them for the world to see.

I almost can't believe what I am hearing form the latest wikileaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfL5KwUuvMc

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 08:49AM

Marina Abramovich ( the woman running Podestas spirit cooking ) is a donator to the Clinton foundation : http://archive.is/5QQDI

Reddit the Donald is a good source for the leaks/investigation, I think it's the most active sub reddit on the site.

Iceboy · 05-11-2016 09:08AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Marina Abramovich ( the woman running Podestas spirit cooking ) is a donator to the Clinton foundation : http://archive.is/5QQDI

Head over to reddit the donald, there's a tonne of threads with stuff linked from memos. They were attached from emails which were password protected but got cracked.

I'll bow out now in the fear of being called a conspiracy theorist.[/B]

Or maybe a Russian agent? Which the left are now claiming FBI Comey is apart of

Also, If the Russians are so bad according to Hillary why in the hell did she sell them 20% of America's Uranium while Secretary of state in secret?

people ask how Hillary/Bill are worth millions yet have never had any job what actually gets their hands dirty (No pun intended) they were broke when they left the white house and are now worth a net fortune of.......$111 MILLION

Their jobs are essentially to sell out America by giving access to other countries.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 09:17AM

Iceboy wrote: »

Their jobs are essentially to sell out America by giving access to other countries.

Pretty much the jist of it

1 Million $ donation from Qatar which was never disclosed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL

That's just one on a long rap sheet.

This thread shows how they panicked internally and tried to cover everything up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b6is7/no_bs_i_found_it_this_is_the_clinton_foundation/

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 09:26AM

Guys, however bad fox news and the Daily Mail are as links to support an argument, when you've been reduced to linking to Alex Jones then it says a lot more about you than it does Hillary Clinton.

Can we please keep the discussion informed by only posting verifiable information that is supported by credible sources, and not random youtube crazy people, and nutters like Alex Jones.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 09:30AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Can we please keep the discussion informed by only posting verifiable information

Fair point, can be hard sometimes since the MSM rarely cover anything from Wikileaks. Reuters is a good source right?

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 09:32AM

Here's a Guardian report on the 'spirit cooking' allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/nov/04/marina-abramovic-podesta-clinton-emails-satanism-accusations

Abramović spoke about the reaction today to Artnews. “I’m outraged, because this is taken completely out of my context,” she said. “It was just a normal dinner. It was actually just a normal menu, which I call spirit cooking. There was no blood, no anything else. We just call things funny names, that’s all.”

She also claimed that those referring to her body of work as satanic are mistaken. “My work is really more about spirituality and not anything else,” she said. “I’ve been doing my work for so long, and this is a misunderstanding. It’s absolutely outrageous and ridiculous … I mean, this world is really turning to hell. I am completely amazed, something is taken out of context for the purpose of winning. We are living in such a strange world.”

Iceboy · 05-11-2016 09:33AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Guys, however bad fox news and the Daily Mail are as links to support an argument, when you've been reduced to linking to Alex Jones then it says a lot more about you than it does Hillary Clinton.

Can we please keep the discussion informed by only posting verifiable information that is supported by credible sources, and not random youtube crazy people, and nutters like Alex Jones.

Alex may be rough around the edges but his heart is in the right place and everything he has talked about for years is coming true so he is looking less and less of a "nut" as you call him everyday and more of a crediable source of news information because your sure as hell not going to get it from any media outlets like CNN, ABC, or even any irish media outlets..Journalism as we know it is basically dead, that is why we have to resort to the likes of wikileaks, alex jones, druge report and even reddit to get the real uncensored information unlike the complete blackout of bombshell information in the main stream media.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 09:38AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Here's a Guardian report on the 'spirit cooking' allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/nov/04/marina-abramovic-podesta-clinton-emails-satanism-accusations

Here's lady gaga with Abramovich at a spirit cooking dinner. NSFW

http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-04-at-9.28.19-PM.png

http://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SpiritCooking-with-Marina-Abramovic-and-Lady-Gaga.jpg

Oh, and a live demonstration from the Lady herself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ys-Lfu4Sc

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 09:39AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Fair point, can be hard sometimes since the MSM rarely cover anything from Wikileaks. Reuters is a good source right?

Yeah, Reuters is great, and the allegations in that last Reuters report you linked to are the kind of thing that would normally disqualify anyone from becoming president of the U.S.A.

But we're in a choice between a corrupt politician, and Donald Trump, who is a narcissistic sociopath.

It's like Alien V Predator. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 09:42AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Here's lady gaga with Abramovich at a spirit cooking dinner. NSFW

http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-04-at-9.28.19-PM.png

http://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SpiritCooking-with-Marina-Abramovic-and-Lady-Gaga.jpg

Its avant garde performance art, it's meant to be shocking. It doesn't mean that Lady Gaga is a satanist, or that John Podesta is a satanist, even if this Abramovich herself believes in Satan

The likes of Alex Jones take these kinds of pictures and declare that they are demonic and working for Satan. Which is impossible because Satan is not real.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 09:48AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Its avant garde performance art, it's meant to be shocking. It doesn't mean that Lady Gaga is a satanist, or that John Podesta is a satanist, even if this Abramovich herself believes in Satan

The likes of Alex Jones take these kinds of pictures and declare that they are demonic and working for Satan. Which is impossible because Satan is not real.

On the point of Alex Jones fair enough.

This is art though? https://youtu.be/g9ys-Lfu4Sc?t=244

There's satanic crap written on the wall and in another section writing saying to cut your finger deep and embrace the pain. She has anti Semitic stars carved on her stomach too.

Pedesta is shown in the emails with scarred hands and bandages around his fingers lol. It's messed up man.

Iceboy · 05-11-2016 09:51AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Yeah, Reuters is great, and the allegations in that last Reuters report you linked to are the kind of thing that would normally disqualify anyone from becoming president of the U.S.A.

But we're in a choice between a corrupt politician, and Donald Trump, who is a narcissistic sociopath.

It's like Alien V Predator. Whoever wins, we all lose.

This is much more than just a choice between two individuals.

It is Globalisation vs Nationalism

http://www.rense.com/general96/HillaryGlobalLG.jpg

EDIT: Brand new full interview with Julian Assange!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 10:01AM

Iceboy wrote: »

Alex may be rough around the edges but his heart is in the right place and everything he has talked about for years is coming true so he is looking less and less of a "nut" as you call him everyday and more of a crediable source of news information because your sure as hell not going to get it from any media outlets like CNN, ABC, or even any irish media outlets..Journalism as we know it is basically dead, that is why we have to resort to the likes of wikileaks, alex jones, druge report and even reddit to get the real uncensored information unlike the complete blackout of bombshell information in the main stream media.

Please don't. Alex Jones might have started out by taking half truths and running with them towards implausible and paranoid conclusions, but he's been going down the lizard people path since then.

Anyone who makes a video seriously declaring that Obama is the Antichrist because a fly landed on him is either a liar or a loon, and neither make a good source for political discussions

Akrasia · 05-11-2016 10:17AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

On the point of Alex Jones fair enough.

This is art though? https://youtu.be/g9ys-Lfu4Sc?t=244

There's satanic crap written on the wall and in another section writing saying to cut your finger deep and embrace the pain. She has anti Semitic stars carved on her stomach too.

Never underestimate what artists will do to push the boundaries.

Some artists think that the act of being shocking is provocative, and being provocative is a fundamental requirement to be good art. I've never heard of this woman before, but she describes herself as an artist, so the simplest explanation is that this was an artistic performance, not a satanic ritual.

Even if she is an eccentric person who believes in this spiritual stuff, it's not really news that some eccentric artists believe in wierd things.

Pedesta is shown in the emails with scarred hands and bandages around his fingers lol. It's messed up man.

I don't know about the emails, but Trump tweeted a picture of Podesta's hand that seems to show some scars on it. Those scars could have come from anywhere.

The emails seem to show that John Podesta's brother is friends with this Artist woman, and John Podesta himself didn't even attend at the dinner he's being linked to.

Can you show me the emails themselves that show the direct link between Clinton or John Podesta and this woman, or her beliefs, or the alleged child abuse ring she is accused of being linked to?

ebbsy · 05-11-2016 10:50AM

I see that "woman" that accused the Don of molesting her as a 13 year old has withdrawn her case.

Hopefully he will sue the pants off her.

alastair · 05-11-2016 10:52AM

Iceboy wrote: »

Alex may be rough around the edges but his heart is in the right place and everything he has talked about for years is coming true so he is looking less and less of a "nut" as you call him everyday and more of a crediable source of news information because your sure as hell not going to get it from any media outlets like CNN, ABC, or even any irish media outlets..Journalism as we know it is basically dead, that is why we have to resort to the likes of wikileaks, alex jones, druge report and even reddit to get the real uncensored information unlike the complete blackout of bombshell information in the main stream media.

You've repeatedly made ridiculously untrue claims regarding Hillary, so wherever you're getting your 'uncensored information' from, you might do everyone a favour and check if it's actually nonsense.

Calina · 05-11-2016 10:55AM

ebbsy wrote: »

I see that "woman" that accused the Don of molesting her as a 13 year old has withdrawn her case.

Hopefully he will sue the pants off her.

Okay.

A couple of points

Why the inverted commas? Are you suggesting she's not a woman? Or that she's not human?

Secondly: there is a tendency for women not to proceed with rape cases - not because they haven't been raped, but because scum bags make their lives miserable even if they have been raped because women get ganged up on. This happens on social media, this happens in real life. Women who even win rape cases do not get justice because oh their rapists get incredibly short rape sentences, if they do jailtime at all.

Is Trump guilty or not? Who knows at this point? But the one point you and people like you need to understand is the absence of a rape charge does not mean a rape did not take place.

Calling a woman a "woman" is childish and ignorant.

In the meantime, I don't think any woman who had a viable case against Trump right now would take it because Trump supporters, well I doubt they'd even believe a guilty verdict in a court of law.

alastair · 05-11-2016 10:59AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Pretty much the jist of it

1 Million $ donation from Qatar which was never disclosed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL

Because they didn't have to, as it wasn't an increase on previous donations by the country. Have you read the article?

Brian Cookstra, this week said that it accepted the $1 million gift from Qatar, but this did not amount to a "material increase" in the Gulf country's support for the charity.

05-11-2016 11:01AM

Calina wrote:

Is Trump guilty or not? Who knows at this point? But the one point you and people like you need to understand is the absence of a rape charge does not mean a rape did not take place.

Boll0cks. I accuse you of being a paedophile. Dirty paedophile.

Now, I retract that statement.

Just because I have retracted that statement doesn't mean that you did not molest kids.

I guess I should just have my doubts about you because there was an accusation made against you

Sofa Spud · 05-11-2016 11:19AM

Forgive me for digressing from the important conversation regarding Satan worship for a moment and take a quick look at the polls...

Nothing out yet today as our cousins in the States are still dreaming of the coming apocalypse/nirvana, but looking at 538, it really is a tight as a metaphor of your choice that would warrant an infraction from the mods.

PA and WI are still looking like they'll go for Hillary, NH looks like it could go for Trump, as does Florida if you discount the report yesterday that the early voters have given Hillary a 48-40% margin and NC is looking like another potential scalp for Trump as well. If Hillary can hang onto NV, CO, WI, PA and Trump takes FL, NC and NH, it still comes down to 275 v 263.

Apparently some of the big media hitters have polls due out over the weekend, but will most likely be national and not battleground state polls, so the key is to try to see what's happening in the polls above.

Bottom line, and blatantly obvious point to make, is PA, WI and NV are potentially the most important firewall states for Clinton - take them and she can look forward to four years of the most partisan and divisive abuse she could imagine...

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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