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The Garda Strike

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  • #872
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    If you lived an hour from work and finished at 7am to be back in at 9am to go to court where would you sleep?

    I would refuse it on health and safety grounds.

    I work in an investment bank. It's a zero sum game, for our trades to win, others must lose. This is a similar situation. Older gardai should foot the bill for younger ones. Taxpayers can't.


  • #873
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I would refuse it on health and safety grounds.

    I work in an investment bank. It's a zero sum game, for our trades to win, others must lose. This is a similar situation. Older gardai should foot the bill for younger ones. Taxpayers can't.


    Ha ha a turf bank more like judging from your posts.:D


  • #874
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ha ha a turf bank more like judging from your posts.:D

    I'd love to know what bank. Sell Sell Sell


  • #875
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I would refuse it on health and safety grounds.

    I work in an investment bank. It's a zero sum game, for our trades to win, others must lose. This is a similar situation. Older gardai should foot the bill for younger ones. Taxpayers can't.

    Half the stuff in the Job (GARDAI) could be refused on health and safety grounds. Its a mess. Theyre holding the Job together with loyalty and on the backs of the ground workers.


  • #876
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Half of all leaving cert students not able to go to school is quite a big problem actually.

    Teachers are emailing work to my leaving cert student all week and taking them lunch time and after school all on their own time to make up classes, not the only school doing this either.
    I fully support the teachers actions and think their amazing trying to strike but helping exam students on their own time.


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  • #877
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    cursai wrote: »
    Half the stuff in the Job (GARDAI) could be refused on health and safety grounds. Its a mess. Theyre holding the Job together with loyalty and on the backs of the ground workers.

    Probably is.

    The world economy is in line for a big downturn. Whether you get your pay increases or not, don't overleverage. That's my advice to one and all.


  • #878
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    thats fairly ill informed bambi

    if any party would be a favorite of of the gardai and public sector in general it would be fianna fail no ?

    your agenda is clouding your judgment also didnt that 16 year old admit to smashing the window of a patrol car with a brick ?

    http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/boy-16-damaged-garda-car-during-jobstown-protest-34689043.html

    No he didnt. the kid with the megaphone didn't break anyones windows
    maybe its hard to keep track of the amount of kids that Joanie set the guards on?

    The Blueshirts were always the boys who had a grá for the gardee, FF just like to pay voters off.

    Now dont be embarrasing yourself, good man


  • #879
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I would refuse it on health and safety grounds.

    I work in an investment bank. It's a zero sum game, for our trades to win, others must lose. This is a similar situation. Older gardai should foot the bill for younger ones. Taxpayers can't.

    Unfortunately health and safety grounds don't apply to Gardaí in that regard. So I ask again, where would you sleep?


  • #880
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Unfortunately health and safety grounds don't apply to Gardaí in that regard. So I ask again, where would you sleep?

    My last post on the matter. I wouldn't do that type of work, I like to feel respected by my employer, particularly in the form of bonuses, and if not I leave. I don't have much time for any public sector work. I prefer the private sector and I'd prefer a society with a much smaller Government. Capitalism works best.


  • #881
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Rightwing wrote: »
    My last post on the matter. I wouldn't do that type of work, I like to feel respected by my employer, particularly in the form of bonuses, and if not I leave. I don't have much time for any public sector work. I prefer the private sector and I'd prefer a society with a much smaller Government. Capitalism works best.

    Not everyone is able for the demands of being a Garda. But before you criticise, remember you don't work under the same conditions Gardaí do. You have more rights and less responsibility.


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  • #882
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Not everyone is able for the demands of being a Garda. But before you criticise, remember you don't work under the same conditions Gardaí do. You have more rights and less responsibility.
    Ah come off it. The Gardai have a tough job, but entirely in its own way. It's not like 7 As and 10 years of training at 80 hour weeks to be a surgeon. Putting Gardai as the only people in Ireland with a difficult job won't get you anywhere.


  • #883
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Ah come off it. The Gardai have a tough job, but entirely in its own way. It's not like 7 As and 10 years of training at 80 hour weeks to be a surgeon. Putting Gardai as the only people in Ireland with a difficult job won't get you anywhere.

    which surgeons get paid a **** ton for. How often have you had to go to a suicide/murder?


  • #884
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Probably is.

    The world economy is in line for a big downturn. Whether you get your pay increases or not, don't overleverage. That's my advice to one and all.

    Because if they don't over-leverage then they'll recieve thanks for it??


  • #885
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Bambi wrote: »
    No he didnt. the kid with the megaphone didn't break anyones windows
    maybe its hard to keep track of the amount of kids that Joanie set the guards on?

    The Blueshirts were always the boys who had a grá for the gardee, FF just like to pay voters off.

    Now dont be embarrasing yourself, good man

    That 'kid' was a scrote was he not?


  • #886
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    which surgeons get paid a **** ton for. How often have you had to go to a suicide/murder?
    Compared to their qualifications and training level, new Gardai are better off than most.
    Or do you think the average Gardai is as skilled as the average surgeon yourself?
    Your theory then is that you should be paid extra if your relative commits suicide and you find them?


  • #887
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    cursai wrote: »
    That 'kid' was a scrote was he not?
    Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.
    But once we've agreed he was a scrote he's guilty of anything an everything we want to invent, is that it?


  • #888
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Lackey wrote: »
    Teachers are emailing work to my leaving cert student all week and taking them lunch time and after school all on their own time to make up classes, not the only school doing this either.
    I fully support the teachers actions and think their amazing trying to strike but helping exam students on their own time.

    In half term? Why are they making up classes when there isn't any missed yet? Schools haven't started closing until Monday....

    I have a 5th year student and I'm glad my child isn't doing the leaving cert this year as it could be very disruptive, I imagine the garda strike/resolution is going to make asti more set on continuing.

    Edit- I didn't say anything about not supporting them. I support both teachers and guards having proper pay!!


  • #889
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Compared to their qualifications and training level, new Gardai are better off than most.
    Or do you think the average Gardai is as skilled as the average surgeon yourself?
    Your theory then is that you should be paid extra if your relative commits suicide and you find them?

    How often does somebody find that, its par the course for guards.


  • #890
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    How often does somebody find that, its par the course for guards.
    I reckon the average trainee nurse will see 10 times as many bodies as the average Garda.
    Do they get paid more then?


  • #891
    Cartouche
    Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭Cartouche


    The next time you meet a guard ask them how the suit fits, if the car is going well, what they plan to spend the retirement lump sum on
    After all, you are paying for it


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  • #892
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I would refuse it on health and safety grounds.

    I work in an investment bank. It's a zero sum game, for our trades to win, others must lose. This is a similar situation. Older gardai should foot the bill for younger ones. Taxpayers can't.

    in that case you could be disciplined and fined by your internal regulations and then face the possibility of a bench warrant being issued for you or a criminal case being struck out and justice not being served . Im sure you would agree a solicitor would have no hesitation in taking advantage of a garda no show

    by older gardai what do you mean ? higher ranking gardai or guys who have spent 30 years climbing the pay scale and serving the state ?

    im sorry if i offend but from your posts you just dont seem to understand the situation at all


  • #893
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Bambi wrote: »
    No he didnt. the kid with the megaphone didn't break anyones windows
    maybe its hard to keep track of the amount of kids that Joanie set the guards on?

    The Blueshirts were always the boys who had a grá for the gardee, FF just like to pay voters off.

    Now dont be embarrasing yourself, good man

    sorry i though you meant the other one 16 year old peaceful protester who smashed up the patrol car . obviously you meant the 16 year old who was convicted after a lengthy and expensive trial right ?

    You understand the blueshirts were a different organisation from AGS ? he colour of the garda shirts properly confused you alright.

    Eoin o duffy was sacked as garda commsioner by a fianna fail government in 1933 before he set up the blueshirts

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts

    Why so angry bambi , i didnt shoot your parents :confused:


  • #894
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sorry i though you meant the other one 16 year old peaceful protester who smashed up the patrol car . obviously you meant the 16 year old who was convicted after a lengthy and expensive trial right ?
    Oh right, lawyers got paid a lot so the kid was definitely in ISIS. Probably Hitler reincarnated too.


  • #895
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    by older gardai what do you mean ? higher ranking gardai or guys who have spent 30 years climbing the pay scale and serving the state ?
    What's so noble about "climbing the pay scale"? If the juniors are sleeping in cars while the average salary is 70k then there's an awful lot of people getting paid for desk jockeying bollix.


  • #896
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Oh right, lawyers got paid a lot so the kid was definitely in ISIS. Probably Hitler reincarnated too.

    Im not sure what you mean there ??

    Wasn't he given free legal aid ? a sitting td on a massive wage got free legal aid so im sure he did too.

    Or dont you agree with justice ?


  • #897
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    What's so noble about "climbing the pay scale"? If the juniors are sleeping in cars while the average salary is 70k then there's an awful lot of people getting paid for desk jockeying bollix.

    this average wage thing is hurting your argument .

    http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-job-ad-1655565-Sep2014/

    the commissioner is getting 180000 at least then theres Assistant and deputy commissioners chiefs and supers inspectors and sgts

    yes there is a awful lot of desk jockeys and that should be put to an end too

    but there is still a lot of people on very low wages doing very difficult jobs nurses gardai etc who cant afford to travel home every day its a fact im afraid


  • #898
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    this average wage thing is hurting your argument .

    http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-job-ad-1655565-Sep2014/

    the commissioner is getting 180000 at least then theres Assistant and deputy commissioners chiefs and supers inspectors and sgts
    You haven't a clue. Parroting the commissioners wage doesn't tell me anything either. Obviously there are far more than just one or two on ludicrous wages for the average to end up near 70k. And don't go telling me those lads are dealing with suicides and murders, they only leave the station to go home.


  • #899
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,194 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Great to see that the usual lads are still hurting after the garda got their offer.It's an auld "i'm afraid to fight for a wage rise in my job so I don't want to see anyone else getting one" kind of thing. Total begrudgery and fear.

    If we get pay rises our company agrees to it and pays for it.

    If the public sector get a pay rise the private sector pays for it.


  • #900
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sorry i though you meant the other one 16 year old peaceful protester who smashed up the patrol car . obviously you meant the 16 year old who was convicted after a lengthy and expensive trial right ?

    You understand the blueshirts were a different organisation from AGS ? he colour of the garda shirts properly confused you alright.

    Eoin o duffy was sacked as garda commsioner by a fianna fail government in 1933 before he set up the blueshirts

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts

    Why so angry bambi , i didnt shoot your parents :confused:


    I'm not angry I'm just tired of having to correct you.

    The blueshirts are Fine Gael, of course. I'm kind of hoping that you're just being facetious rather than f***king dense. But given your form... :(


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  • #901
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    If we get pay rises our company agrees to it and pays for it.

    If the public sector get a pay rise the private sector pays for it.
    Jaysus and there was me thinking the Public Sector also paid tax. Fancy that.


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