2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

aloyisious · 04-11-2016 08:58PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Oh and Hey, Rudy Giuliani confirmed on TV that the Trump campaign knew about Comey's announcement days or even weeks before it happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-fbi-clinton-emails_us_581c9e3fe4b0e80b02c93d6b?ij36pfg576k0c6jemi

Is he just out to damage his pal Trump or want attention by being "pulled" into any congress inquiry into who knew what? He makes it sound like he had one-on-one conversations with the disgusted FBI agents.

osmiumartist · 04-11-2016 09:46PM

Overheal wrote: »

He could be right

"could"? Care to give us any examples of where he's been wrong?

RobertKK · 04-11-2016 11:01PM

A poll by Harper polling who have a B polling rating from Nate Silver, has Clinton and Trump tied in Pennsylvania at 46% each.

Another poll not sure how good a poll it is, showed Clinton and Trump tied in Michigan at 44%.

aloyisious · 05-11-2016 12:08AM

I opened the NY Times to see if it had mention of the latest polls. The Times is probably seen by Don as a part of the HRC campaign, Certainly he see it as been biased against him. I was reading it earlier to see what it said about the electoral campaign in general and saw this: Trump Warns of ‘Constitutional Crisis’ if Clinton Wins. Thinking that it might be a reference to action against HRC after inauguration, either by the Feds, the Congress or by him legally, I popped the link (below) to the item to see what he was talking about and found zilch, nada, nothing at all from Don in it referring to a possible constitutional crisis, not a single quote about anything from Don.

The article instead is totally about how the Republican Party elected members were avoiding contact with and/or mention of Don in respect of campaigning for him, an exception being John H Sununu (retired Gov) who, at Don's rally this morning, passed a comment asking if Hillary was the woman Bill Clinton was referring to when he said he never had sex with this woman (an apparent reference to the Monica Lewinsky affair). I have this image of John H possibly making an excuse on the grounds that "it was locker-room talk" if he's asked about his direct reference to Hillary and Bill.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html...

B0jangles · 05-11-2016 01:00AM

aloyisious wrote: »

Is he just out to damage his pal Trump or want attention by being "pulled" into any congress inquiry into who knew what? He makes it sound like he had one-on-one conversations with the disgusted FBI agents.

I haven't yet been able to imagine any scenario where him boasting either truthfully or lying about knowing in advance is of any practical benefit to either Trump or himself, so I'm stumped.

(unless he's a complete and.total idiot of course)

BorneTobyWilde · 05-11-2016 01:09AM

Trump filling arena in PA with thousands outside listening on speakers.
Hillary fills out a small hall and speaks to 80 people.

BorneTobyWilde · 05-11-2016 01:09AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpl_D637fgA

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 01:09AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump filling arena in PA with thousands outside listening on speakers.
Hillary fills out a small hall and speaks to 80 people.

It's insane how many people are there, he said there's 7000 people outside! The entire stadium is full, not one empty seat

BorneTobyWilde · 05-11-2016 01:11AM

Trump

'' i didn't need to bring J Lo or Jay Z to fill this arena, I'm here on my own, no guitar no piano''

aloyisious · 05-11-2016 01:13AM

CNN has New Hampshire level pegging, so it has reduced Hilary from 270 to 268 electoral college votes. CNN mentioned at the start of three (3) court decisions on voters (who can or can't) but hasn't gone into detail yet or mentioned the locations. John Sununu's Hilary comment was mentioned but just in passing.

It showed an incident where Obama called a halt to people at the rally booing an elderly Trump supporter, telling them they had to respect the right to free speech, the elderly, the military (the gent was wearing a tunic & headwear) making a very slight reference to how to treat protesters and told them not to boo, but to vote. CNN ran a clip of Don complaining that the cameras didn't cover the protester but kept their focus on Obama.

bajer101 · 05-11-2016 01:30AM

I think it is near time for another Trump revelation. There is huge money behind every major presidential candidate and if the result is in doubt there is no way that they will not use Trump using the "N" word if the only barrier is a $5m penalty.

aloyisious · 05-11-2016 01:45AM

B0jangles wrote: »

I haven't yet been able to imagine any scenario where him boasting either truthfully or lying about knowing in advance is of any practical benefit to either Trump or himself, so I'm stumped.

(unless he's a complete and.total idiot of course)

I'm lol-ing now, a congressman has asked for a investigation by the inspector general of the DOJ into Giuliani's claims he spoke to and got information from the FBI so Rudy has doubled down on them, saying he never spoke to retired FBI agents.

BorneTobyWilde · 05-11-2016 01:57AM

43000 thousand watching that live stream too.
I dunno what is going on with polls, you see Hillary talk to 200 people people say she's winning.

Hank Scorpio · 05-11-2016 02:22AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

43000 thousand watching that live stream too.
I dunno what is going on with polls, you see Hillary talk to 200 people people say she's winning.

Was another 80,000 watching on facebook.

osmiumartist · 05-11-2016 02:31AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump

'' i didn't need to bring J Lo or Jay Z to fill this arena, I'm here on my own, no guitar no piano''

Do people actually vote for somebody because a rapper performs at their show? Do celebrities make any difference at all? I doubt it myself.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2016 02:56AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

43000 thousand watching that live stream too.
I dunno what is going on with polls, you see Hillary talk to 200 people people say she's winning.

And yesterday he played to a barn in Florida that was 3/4 empty

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:26AM

At this stage the irony is the Clinton campaign looks to be in bed with very wealthy famous people, given they are used to bring people to the rallies.

One person who Hillary Clinton has not got to campaign for is Taylor Swift who has stayed silent and not backed anyone - which I think is great.
Some of these music stars who are getting involved in politics are like prostitutes for the candidates. They should stick to the music and not be so blind to politicians who in the end favour the rich people who will always bar stupidity have a privileged lives.

Hillary's campaign with rich privileged people is something I find repulsive as these people on stage do not reflect ordinary people. It is not ordinary people advocating people.

Maybe Melania Trump released a video of Donald driving his car with their son Barron in the passenger seat listening to Taylor Swift, because Taylor Swift has not prostituted herself to any political party.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:29AM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Do people actually vote for somebody because a rapper performs at their show? Do celebrities make any difference at all? I doubt it myself.

A Clinton rally currently on in Cleveland, it is more like a concert with Beyonce and Jay Z.
I think it helps increase the attendance and if you like the music artist you get a free concert.

Personally I think it gives a bad image.

Overheal · 05-11-2016 03:34AM

RobertKK wrote: »

At this stage the irony is the Clinton campaign looks to be in bed with very wealthy famous people, given they are used to bring people to the rallies.

One person who Hillary Clinton has not got to campaign for is Taylor Swift who has stayed silent and not backed anyone - which I think is great.
Some of these music stars who are getting involved in politics are like prostitutes for the candidates. They should stick to the music and not be so blind to politicians who in the end favour the rich people who will always bar stupidity have a privileged lives.

Hillary's campaign with rich privileged people is something I find repulsive as these people on stage do not reflect ordinary people. It is not ordinary people advocating people.

Maybe Melania Trump released a video of Donald driving his car with their son Barron in the passenger seat listening to Taylor Swift, because Taylor Swift has not prostituted herself to any political party.

I take it you're also repulsed with Kirstie Alley, Richie Incognito, Tom Brady, John Voight, Dennis Rodman, Tula Tequila, Ted Nugent, Mike Tyson, Loretta Lynn, Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno, Willie Robertson, Stephen Baldwin, Clint Eastwood, Azaleia Banks, Gary Busey, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, and other performers?

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:37AM

Susan Sarandon who engaged her brain said she would not vote with her vagina, she said she would not vote for Hillary as she is worried about wars, and has said every neocon is supporting her along with all the press, all the networks, all the newspapers, everyone behind her.
She goes onto say the DNC is so corrupt it is not worthy of our votes. I thought she would have supported Hillary.
Maybe she is voting for Jill Stein as she said Hillary will be bad for the climate too.

Susan does something these other celebrities do not do, they talk rubbish about how great Hillary is, and in my opinion the people who are endorsing her make themselves look stupid, and in reality do not help.

Trump is probably better off he doesn't have celebrities at every rally.

Overheal · 05-11-2016 03:38AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Susan Sarandon who engaged her brain said she would not vote with her vagina, she said she would not vote for Hillary as she is worried about wars, and has said every neocon is supporting her along with all the press, all the networks, all the newspapers, everyone behind her.
She goes onto say the DNC is so corrupt it is not worthy of our votes. I thought she would have supported Hillary.
Maybe she is voting for Jill Stein as she said Hillary will be bad for the climate too.

Susan does something these other celebrities do not do, they talk rubbish about how great Hillary is, and in my opinion the people who are endorsing her make themselves look stupid, and in reality do not help.

Trump is probably better off he doesn't have celebrities at every rally.

So trump celeb endorsements: brave; Hillary celeb endorsements: prostitution. Got it. Know your viewpoint now.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:40AM

Overheal wrote: »

I take it you're also repulsed with Kirstie Alley, Richie Incognito, Tom Brady, John Voight, Dennis Rodman, Tula Tequila, Ted Nugent, Mike Tyson, Loretta Lynn, Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno, Willie Robertson, Stephen Baldwin, Clint Eastwood, Azaleia Banks, Gary Busey, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, and other performers?

Have they performed at his rallies like Katy Perry, Beyonce, James Taylor, Usher, Pharrell Williams, Jay Z, Bruno Mars etc at Hillary's rallies?

Overheal · 05-11-2016 03:43AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Have they performed at his rallies like Katy Perry, Beyonce, James Taylor, Usher, Pharrell Williams, Jay Z, Bruno Mars etc at Hillary's rallies?

I don't have that information. Nor do I have a clue why such would make them prostitutes.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:43AM

Overheal wrote: »

So trump celeb endorsements: brave; Hillary celeb endorsements: prostitution. Got it. Know your viewpoint now.

I don't think brave, I think they should all do a Taylor Swift on the issue, she basically said in the past it is not her job to influence people on who to vote for.

gitzy16v · 05-11-2016 03:46AM

Overheal wrote: »

I take it you're also repulsed with Kirstie Alley, Richie Incognito, Tom Brady, John Voight, Dennis Rodman, Tula Tequila, Ted Nugent, Mike Tyson, Loretta Lynn, Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno, Willie Robertson, Stephen Baldwin, Clint Eastwood, Azaleia Banks, Gary Busey, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, and other performers?

Did all those celebs endorse Trump?
I presume all celebs dont know half of them.

RobertKK · 05-11-2016 03:50AM

Overheal wrote: »

I don't have that information. Nor do I have a clue why such would make them prostitutes.

Do these people really think Hillary is not going to be off involved in wars killing thousands of people?
Are they blind to her being one of the most incompetent Secretary of States in US history?

I just think people taint themselves by association, and have prostituted themselves to a political party because the party is seen as liberal and they want to be associated with being liberal - while ignoring the bad stuff.

I think it is fine if they want to say who they are voting for, it is a free society, but they go too far campaigning as it just makes them look stupid for whatever side it is.
Staying out of it is the sensible option.

alastair · 05-11-2016 04:10AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Do these people really think Hillary is not going to be off involved in wars killing thousands of people?
Are they blind to her being one of the most incompetent Secretary of States in US history?

I just think people taint themselves by association, and have prostituted themselves to a political party because the party is seen as liberal and they want to be associated with being liberal - while ignoring the bad stuff.

I think it is fine if they want to say who they are voting for, it is a free society, but they go too far campaigning as it just makes them look stupid for whatever side it is.
Staying out of it is the sensible option.

Sez you. If anyone wants to lend their support to any candidate, and they happen to have a public profile or fan base - the best of luck to them. Activism comes in all shapes and sizes - if you've got a voice, use it.

mrkiscool2 · 05-11-2016 04:19AM

alastair wrote: »

Sez you. If anyone wants to lend their support to any candidate, and they happen to have a public profile or fan base - the best of luck to them. Activism comes in all shapes and sizes - if you've got a voice, use it.

Not sure if you are pro-Hillary or pro-DNC but your posts indicate you have a clear bias for Hillary being elected. And that's cool, but don't let your bias see that these people supporting Hillary will have egg on her face if she gets elected and fcuks it up.

alastair · 05-11-2016 04:25AM

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Not sure if you are pro-Hillary or pro-DNC but your posts indicate you have a clear bias for Hillary being elected. And that's cool, but don't let your bias see that these people supporting Hillary will have egg on her face if she gets elected and fcuks it up.

No they won't. Why would they? Name me one celebrity advocate for a political candidate that has been undermined by the subsequent performance of that candidate? Clint Eastwood made a bit of plonker of himself with the whole empty chair business, but that was on the back of idiotic theatre, not the conduct of the candidate or party he was supporting. Elvis was right behind Nixon and nobody gave a damn that he didn't turn out too great - Elvis' professional reputation didn't suffer at all.

If you like the candidate, then you should support that candidate. End of story.

Overheal · 05-11-2016 04:40AM

I don't see how she deserves the label worst secretary of state in history. Rather she is the most negatively covered Secretary of State in history by the largest media in history and the most advanced social networks capabilities in history.

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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