Eir rural FTTH thread

tsue921i8wljb3 · 02-11-2016 09:38PM

Looking for slippages and the only two I could find were Batterstown (Winter 2016 to Spring 2017) and perhaps Kilcock (2016/17 to 2017/18), neither were in the first 100K.

The rest of the changes are mainly former 2017-2020 exchanges like Slane, areas that were Winter 2017 or H2 2017. Some of these have now got a 2017-2018 date.

Another interesting thing is Ballyfarnnan in Roscommon which had 139 FTTH premises announced on the 30th of September now has a live date for FTTC of the 16th of November. Obviously Openeir are intending to continue deploying FTTC alongside FTTH.

Also a ton of areas got update with the message "Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is 2017" which in Openeir parlance usually means FTTC. A lot of these areas are blue lined so it could be referring to FTTH or perhaps the FTTC rollout is going to be ramped up again.

SteveD92 · 02-11-2016 09:42PM

I live on Cruagh road in Rathfarnham - Our house is on the blue line due to get fibre. The KN/Eir vans are currently working on the road and cables are hung on the posts all the way up the hill.

I'm curious what is usually the timeline from this process to fibre being live from experience? Can't seem to find any decent information on it. The speeds are a joke at the moment! Thanks

tsue921i8wljb3 · 02-11-2016 09:58PM

SteveD92 wrote: »

I live on Cruagh road in Rathfarnham - Our house is on the blue line due to get fibre. The KN/Eir vans are currently working on the road and cables are hung on the posts all the way up the hill.

I'm curious what is usually the timeline from this process to fibre being live from experience? Can't seem to find any decent information on it. The speeds are a joke at the moment! Thanks

You come under the Ballyboden exchange is that correct? If so the area has a live date of the 16th of November. I think you may have to wait four weeks from this date before you can order. Someone else may correct me on that.

This also assumes that they have laid cable past your house as in previous cases they have not enabled all premises due in one go. If you can see the cable outside your house you should be ok though.

SteveD92 · 02-11-2016 10:21PM

That's great - really appreciate the information. Yes Ballyboden is our exchange. Struggling to get 1MB at the moment so will be a welcome change!

long_b · 02-11-2016 10:22PM

With the first areas going live in October, eve with a 4 week delay, we should be seeing the first FTTH customer speed tests rolling in soon?

Gonzo · 02-11-2016 11:15PM

long_b wrote: »

With the first areas going live in October, eve with a 4 week delay, we should be seeing the first FTTH customer speed tests rolling in soon?

If someone from Raheen or the exchanges that went live 28th September then we might see some speedtests if they happen to use boards.ie. I have my doubts that those in exchanges going live on November 16th will be live before Christmas as they have to wait a month which brings you to the week before Christmas and then another wait for an installer?
If not before Christmas then we should see some speedtests here in January.

jd · 02-11-2016 11:24PM

Gonzo wrote:

If someone from Raheen or the exchanges that went live 28th September then we might see some speedtests if they happen to use boards.ie. I have my doubts that those in exchanges going live on November 16th will be live before Christmas as they have to wait a month which brings you to the week before Christmas and then another wait for an installer? If not before Christmas then we should see some speedtests here in January.

There is not another delay on top of the go live date of November 16th. This date is inclusive of the 4 week notice to retail operators

tsue921i8wljb3 · 02-11-2016 11:27PM

jd wrote: »

There is not another delay on top of the go live date of November 16th. This date is inclusive of the 4 week notice to retail operators

Thanks for correcting me. SteveD92 it may be available to you from the 16th.

beercr8te · 03-11-2016 01:20AM

Just seen estimated date for first live FTTH in Kilkerrin, Conemara is 2017, great to see but not holding my breath until I see the lads working in the area, the Rusmuc village up the road has been FTTC enabled since early this year.

Gonzo · 03-11-2016 11:11AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Looking for slippages and the only two I could find were Batterstown (Winter 2016 to Spring 2017) and perhaps Kilcock (2016/17 to 2017/18), neither were in the first 100K.

The reason for Batterstown not in the first 100k was that Batterstown is really part of the Dunhaughlin exchange. However since that announcement, Open Eir gave Batterstown it's own tag and information.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 03-11-2016 05:42PM

So I was driving to Hollyford (HFD1_E01 - already live with eVDSL), Co. Tipperary this morning. This whole area is in a black hole of no blue lines, and yet about 4-5KM north of the village I spot two consecutive poles with these on them:

Now, I haven't been to Hollyford in years, so I don't know how long these have been there, but they look kinda new. Also, I started looking at the poles leading back towards the village and on my return the poles running north and there isn't much in the way of new poles here, but there are a lot of old poles on the road.

Now this route north of the village is the route that Open eir's core fibre network runs to Kilcommon (KCO1_E01) and ends at my exchange in Rearcross (RRX1_E01). According to my friendly linesman, the core network running from Hollyford to Kilcommon was only a 24 strand fibre, whereas the one from Kilcommon to Rearcross was 48. I'm wondering are they upgrading the section to Kilcommon. Previously (as at 3 years ago) the core network leading to Hollyford was only an 8 strand fibre, so this would surely have been upgraded before they upgraded the exchange.

guil · 03-11-2016 06:29PM

Would actavo be doing any FTTH work for eir? Saw a big crew running new wires from pole to pole in newbridge this evening. It was along the road from newbridge down out to Barretstown by the college.

MBSnr · 03-11-2016 06:37PM

Good few Exch's in South Mayo/Galway border have gone from 2017-2020 to 2017-2018 or sooner!

9726_9726 · 03-11-2016 11:06PM

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

So I was driving to Hollyford (HFD1_E01 - already live with eVDSL), Co. Tipperary this morning. This whole area is in a black hole of no blue lines, and yet about 4-5KM north of the village I spot two consecutive poles with these on them:

Now, I haven't been to Hollyford in years, so I don't know how long these have been there, but they look kinda new. Also, I started looking at the poles leading back towards the village and on my return the poles running north and there isn't much in the way of new poles here, but there are a lot of old poles on the road.

Now this route north of the village is the route that Open eir's core fibre network runs to Kilcommon (KCO1_E01) and ends at my exchange in Rearcross (RRX1_E01). According to my friendly linesman, the core network running from Hollyford to Kilcommon was only a 24 strand fibre, whereas the one from Kilcommon to Rearcross was 48. I'm wondering are they upgrading the section to Kilcommon. Previously (as at 3 years ago) the core network leading to Hollyford was only an 8 strand fibre, so this would surely have been upgraded before they upgraded the exchange.

Also, I know there is an NGN circuit going into the Towercom site at Lachtseifin, from Hollyford, I think. Not sure if this is on the way.

HotSwap · 04-11-2016 01:37PM

Can someone please tell me when FTTH service would be expected at the location that I have highlighted in red in the image below. Note that the closest cabinet to the address is "CSA1_005". Any advice or insight much appreciated guys.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-11-2016 01:52PM

HotSwap wrote: »

Can someone please tell me when FTTH service would be expected at the location that I have highlighted in red in the image below. Note that the closest cabinet to the address is "CSA1_005". Any advice or insight much appreciated guys.

Nobody outside of Openeir or KNN can tell you (and they will not tell you). If you see work taking place along the route it would be an indication that it could be soon.

long_b · 04-11-2016 03:24PM

I don't think any work has been done on Winter 2016/Spring 2017 so my guess is it won't be before March at the earliest

damienirel · 04-11-2016 03:49PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Nobody outside of Openeir or KNN can tell you (and they will not tell you). If you see work taking place along the route it would be an indication that it could be soon.

That blue line map from what I've been reading is pretty accurate in terms of where - but Eir really need to work on the "when" aspect. I've asked them about my local exchange - but they make you feel like a child asking "are we there yet?". So sit it out, the dates on that map are I would guess; either misleading or far beyond optimistic. But hey it's a free country they can promise the sun moon and stars - doesn't mean they have to deliver anything anytime soon.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-11-2016 06:12PM

Siro claiming to have passed more premises than Openeir. 36500 vs 34000.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/siro-claims-to-have-leapfrogged-eir-in-fibre-broadband-race-1.2854549

Johnboy1951 · 04-11-2016 06:31PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Siro claiming to have passed more premises than Openeir. 36500 vs 34000.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/siro-claims-to-have-leapfrogged-eir-in-fibre-broadband-race-1.2854549

The most important part IMO

Siro is investing €450 million in a fibre-to-the-building network, primarily aimed at 50 regional towns.

which means they are competing with eir FTTC, mostly.

HotSwap · 04-11-2016 06:34PM

damienirel wrote: »

That blue line map from what I've been reading is pretty accurate in terms of where - but Eir really need to work on the "when" aspect. I've asked them about my local exchange - but they make you feel like a child asking "are we there yet?". So sit it out, the dates on that map are I would guess; either misleading or far beyond optimistic. But hey it's a free country they can promise the sun moon and stars - doesn't mean they have to deliver anything anytime soon.

So the blue line is what is planned, not what currently exists?
In this case we are right on top of the line, so I assume that it will be available, am I right?
What if you are slightly removed from the blue line, for example 50M down a side road?

Kind Regards,

HS.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-11-2016 06:36PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The most important part IMO

which means they are competing with eir FTTC, mostly.

Oh yeah they are doing nothing for rural areas. I just was surprised at their expansion in a relatively short time. I believe it also strengthens their NBP bid being able to show a rapid rollout.

damienirel · 04-11-2016 07:15PM

HotSwap wrote: »

So the blue line is what is planned, not what currently exists?

In this case we are right on top of the line, so I assume that it will be available, am I right?

What if you are slightly removed from the blue line, for example 50M down a side road?

Kind Regards,

HS.

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. You will get it as part of NBP apparently.

Johnboy1951 · 04-11-2016 07:19PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Oh yeah they are doing nothing for rural areas. I just was surprised at their expansion in a relatively short time. I believe it also strengthens their NBP bid being able to show a rapid rollout.

I would like to see comparison of actual successful connections made.

The figures from both would make interesting reading.

damienirel · 04-11-2016 07:20PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Oh yeah they are doing nothing for rural areas. I just was surprised at their expansion in a relatively short time. I believe it also strengthens their NBP bid being able to show a rapid rollout.

Fairly easy to pass a lot of premises in a town or city in fairness, it's another thing to connect them all. Siro are full of more sh1te than Eir and Enet put together. Plus they're hindering the rollout at the moment -
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/enet-accuses-esb-of-obstructing-broadband-rollout-1.2847408

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-11-2016 07:21PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I would like to see comparison of actual successful connections made.

The figures from both would make interesting reading.

I don't believe either company publish those figures.

damienirel · 04-11-2016 07:27PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I don't believe either company publish those figures.

Siro didn't grasp the the nettle and aim for rural areas - they missed the point of the NBP and they haven't a snowballs chance of winning it. I don't understand the strategy they took at all.

Johnboy1951 · 04-11-2016 07:31PM

damienirel wrote: »

Siro didn't grasp the the nettle and aim for rural areas - they missed the point of the NBP and they haven't a snowballs chance of winning it. I don't understand the strategy they took at all.

Probably a commercially 'safe' strategy ....... if they roll out fibre through 50 towns, and do not get a NBP contract, then they will at least be able to recoup a decent percentage of their outlay by being able to compete in (what I will call) non-rural areas.

I would not eliminate them from an NBP contract yet.
They can certainly string the fibre out quite quickly ....... how they will manage the connections afterwards though, I have no idea.

digiman · 04-11-2016 07:45PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I would like to see comparison of actual successful connections made.

The figures from both would make interesting reading.

Any predictions? A few hundred each?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-11-2016 09:28PM

digiman wrote: »

Any predictions? A few hundred each?

I'd say you're not far off. Siro CEO said in an interview on Newstalk recently that they were in line with European norms when asked about subscriber numbers. Openeir probably have slightly more subscribers by virtue of being around longer.

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