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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #5762
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Trump has been in the media spotlight for 40years and has never flip flopped on his political. During that time all news articles about him were positive. But the moment he runs for presidency...

    When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?


  • #5763
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes 5 more days of that ****.

    I won't be convinced the GOP has recovered as a party until someone sucker punches Mitch McConnel in the face.

    I'm all for drowning him and Harry Reid in the swamp.


  • #5764
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    alastair wrote: »
    When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?

    The parties have changed a lot. But he has been talking the same talk about trade, crime and foreign relations since at least the 80.


  • #5765
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    alastair wrote: »
    When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?

    Trump is essentially an independent running, The corrupt GOP and Paul Ryan are not part of the trump movement.


  • #5766
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    alastair wrote: »
    The DoJ have had no dealings with Trump afaik?
    The media have certainly elevated and dropped Trump's standing - entirely on the back of Trump's actions and rhetoric.
    The DNC and Hillary Clinton are supposed to attack Trump. He's made that job very easy.
    The violence at Trump rally's is entirely down to Trump supporters. No-one made them engage in violent acts, and they were encouraged along by a certain Donald Trump.
    Hillary Clinton has had precisely zero corruption charges over her political career.
    Wut? When I get home I'll link some videos that prove this wrong. It's actually been caused, a lot of the time, by far-left SJWs and feminists. Sure, the Trump people retaliate but they don't actually start crap. One of my favorite videos from this campaign is this guy of Arab descent who goes with a friend to a Trump rally in a "Muslims for Trump" t-shirt and is treated with the utmost dignity and respect.


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  • #5767
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,993 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Raise the standard of posting please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #5768
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    alastair wrote: »
    Sounds like your district is producing the sort of pragmatic bipartisan repesentatives that are so needed to break the party-first logjam that inhibits your country.
    The urban areas are taken care of and the rural areas are screwed.


  • #5769
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭✭briany


    blackcard wrote: »
    Melania Trump is not the best at public speaking

    Melania comes across as being pretty vapid, let's be honest. If Trump won, I could imagine her turning the position of 1st lady into a non-stop catwalk posefest photo-op.


  • #5770
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    alastair wrote: »
    The DoJ have had no dealings with Trump afaik?
    The media have certainly elevated and dropped Trump's standing - entirely on the back of Trump's actions and rhetoric.
    The DNC and Hillary Clinton are supposed to attack Trump. He's made that job very easy.
    The violence at Trump rally's is entirely down to Trump supporters. No-one made them engage in violent acts, and they were encouraged along by a certain Donald Trump.
    Hillary Clinton has had precisely zero corruption charges over her political career.


    Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY


  • #5771
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,993 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

    There's no need for the abrasive tone. You can make your point without it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #5772
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The parties have changed a lot. But he has been talking the same talk about trade, crime and foreign relations since at least the 80.

    The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...


  • #5773
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

    It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.


  • #5774
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Amerika wrote: »
    The urban areas are taken care of and the rural areas are screwed.

    That doesn't sound like it has anything to do with pragmatic politicians.


  • #5775
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Trump is essentially an independent running, The corrupt GOP and Paul Ryan are not part of the trump movement.

    You might try and let the GOP know. They believe they nominated him, and he's running on the Republican ticket, with some justification.


  • #5776
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    alastair wrote: »
    The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...

    Is it not good he has shifted his position and put himself in line with most of the country and world on these issues. He has to appeal to a broad range of communities. The left, the right and the centre.


  • #5777
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Is it not good he has shifted his position and put himself in line with most of the country and world on these issues. He has to appeal to a broad range of communities. The left, the right and the centre.

    It isn't much good to anyone when he shifts his position from day to day, and manages to insult all and sundry in the process. It takes just one blowhard to antagonise an entire village.


  • #5778
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    alastair wrote: »
    It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.

    No you are misinformed. This is all in the wikileaks, the democrats ADMIT to sending in people to Trump rallies to incite violence! stop defending their disgusting behaviour

    This woman (Donna Brazille) is a Disgrace to the Country. She is a Fraud, a Liar, and should be prosecuted with Hillary, she was caught in the wikileaks red handed giving heads up question to Hilary before live televison debates. They all need to go to jail!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rJiPIqGhg


  • #5779
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    alastair wrote: »
    It isn't much good to anyone when he shifts his position from day to day, and manages to insult all and sundry in the process. It takes just one blowhard to antagonise an entire village.

    You say he insults people but hold on it goes both ways America has been subjected to insults also from various parts of the world and Hillary has insulted her fellow country people also. The anger in America was there with Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachmann so it's not like this came out of nowhere. Trump has a broad appeal. The anti Clinton voter is one part of his constituency the war veterans and Legal immigration advocates are equally important.


  • #5780
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    alastair wrote: »
    It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.

    Wikileaks showed the Clinton campaign were closer to a Mr Creamer who sent people to Trump rallies to cause trouble.
    Did you ever consider the 'Trump supporters' who Creamer had incite could also be people he bused in?


  • #5781
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    No you are misinformed. This is all in the wikileaks, the democrats ADMIT to sending in people to Trump rallies to incite violence! stop defending their disgusting behaviour

    No, the Democrats admit no such thing. You're either misinformed or deceitful yourself. Why not post up this link of anyone admitting such a thing, if you're so sure that only CAPS will do?


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  • #5782
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Did you ever consider the 'Trump supporters' who Creamer had incite could also be people he bused in?

    No.

    Are you suggesting that any such thing happened? If so, on what basis (idle personal speculation doesn't really count)?


  • #5783
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And NC is back to Clinton leaning


  • #5784
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    The Stephen Colbert show funny show.:) Actually showed that Democrats were involved in causing unrest within the Trump rallies and the Trump supporters were easily aggrieved.


  • #5785
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,261 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    hilary-omaha-gym-575x431.jpg

    Trump-Crowd-Twitter-640x480.jpg

    Very typical rallies. Trump will do 3 a day and talk to almost 100k people
    Hillary will typical do one a day and talk to 150 people


  • #5786
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,261 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I believe all the numbers are wrong and that Trump wins with very easily .


  • #5787
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    hilary-omaha-gym-575x431.jpg

    Trump-Crowd-Twitter-640x480.jpg

    Very typical rallies. Trump will do 3 a day and talk to almost 100k people
    Hillary will typical do one a day and talk to 150 people

    The electorate is substantially larger than the numbers that go to rallies. Numbers of people at rallies don't tell you anything about how the electorate will vote.


  • #5788
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,261 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    alastair wrote: »
    The electorate is substantially larger than the numbers that go to rallies. Numbers of people at rallies don't tell you anything about how the electorate will vote.

    Trump is getting people voting who never voted. Early voting is insane, and it must be for Trump as the people over seeing early voting have never seen anything like it before.


  • #5789
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Trump is getting people voting who never voted. Early voting is insane, and it must be for Trump as the people over seeing early voting have never seen anything like it before.

    I agree with you, and it might be even more than that, that both Hillary and Don are getting people up off their seats to vote, only it's not for reasons of preference, but dispreference..... Agitating people is a double-edged sword for Don & Hillary.


  • #5790
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I believe all the numbers are wrong and that Trump wins with very easily .
    Nah, not easily. It will be close either way, New Hampshire is the battleground that decides this election now, along with Nevada. Trump is also below 3% behind in polls, which spells trouble for Clinton. He gets that down to less than 2.5 and that should be it for him.


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  • #5791
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    alastair wrote: »
    The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...

    Are you saying the Democratic Party hasnt changed since the 80s? A laughable suggestion.


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