The Garda Strike

keeponhurling · 02-11-2016 09:59AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

I have a work night out on Friday in Dublin city centre. Will I be walking into Ireland's answer to The Purge?

Best night ever, there will be lock-ins in every pub.

Anybody know if it could cause any disruption at the airports?
I know the immigration desk has a Gardai logo above it, are these people actual guards who will be on strike ?

hawkelady · 02-11-2016 10:32AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Ally Dick wrote: »

I have a work night out on Friday in Dublin city centre. Will I be walking into Ireland's answer to The Purge?

Best night ever, there will be lock-ins in every pub.

Anybody know if it could cause any disruption at the airports?
I know the immigration desk has a Gardai logo above it, are these people actual guards who will be on strike ?

Add a few hours to flights coming into t2. Pax will have to be bussed to t1 to be checked .. Civilians work in t1. Whereas t2 there are only guards doing immigration

steddyeddy · 02-11-2016 11:01AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Not a chance.

Good luck!

suicide_circus · 02-11-2016 11:08AM

Is it reasonable that a garda in a quiet rural village is paid the same as a garda in a west dublin suburb riddled with drugs and gun violence?

keeponhurling · 02-11-2016 11:24AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Is it reasonable that a garda in a quiet rural village is paid the same as a garda in a west dublin suburb riddled with drugs and gun violence?

well, you don't really know where the crime is going to happen.

otherwise you have a system whereby teams in busier areas get a "performance bonus" at the end of a crime-ridden, but that has an incentive to report lots of crime so not sure it's the way to go really. More crime = more pay, but prevention is also a big part.

you could arguably differentiate due to differences in cost of living

suicide_circus · 02-11-2016 11:30AM

Yeah I guess.

Look I don't think any of us would begrudge young gardai a pay rise, just as soon as someone explains where the money for it will come from...

For Forks Sake · 02-11-2016 12:30PM

Donal55 wrote: »

The politicians are in it for themselves. While everyone else were getting a fiver increase and told to eat hay they awarded themselves €100 increase minimum per week.

Keep the recovery going!

You do realise that 'pay rise' is linked to the Lansdowne Road agreement which /restores/increases the pay of the vast majority of public and civil servants in the country (assuming their union is signed up to it) and wasn't just a random payrise for politicians, no matter how easy a soundbite to swallow it is??

mynamejeff · 02-11-2016 12:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah I guess.

Look I don't think any of us would begrudge young gardai a pay rise, just as soon as someone explains where the money for it will come from...

how about we take it from the Christmas bonus for the dole monkeys who have never worked recession or boom time ?
or the politicians pay or stop free legal aid for people with 20 or more convictions.
or make the politicians pay or their own transport to and from the dail
get mick wallace to pay his tax bills
dock court fines from wages or dole payments would save millions
set up drunk tanks with a 100 euro charge instead of putting them in ambos

its not hard its what politicians are supposed to to actually

FA Hayek · 02-11-2016 12:46PM

I see that all the talk is of pay 'restoration' to pre crisis levels. I.E Celtic tiger boom time pay rates.
Yet the unemployment rate is still at 7.7%, not under 5% back then.

So, tell you what. Once the unemployment rate goes back to 2007-2008 levels we should talk pay restoration. Otherwise, nope. Leave it out.

There are loads of people applying to be a Guard, no shortage of recruits so it cannot be all that bad. Is turn over high? I doubt it.

MeatTwoVeg · 02-11-2016 12:50PM

What I wouldn't give for a strong Government to face down these militant unions.
As per usual, the populist muppets will buy off the strikers using yours and my money.
It's ironically criminal that these incredibly well remunerated public servants would attempt to hold the country to ransom.

mynamejeff · 02-11-2016 12:50PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

I see that all the talk is of pay 'restoration' to pre crisis levels. I.E Celtic tiger boom time pay rates.
Yet the unemployment rate is still at 7.7%, not under 5% back then.

So, tell you what. Once the unemployment rate goes back to 2007-2008 levels we should talk pay restoration. Otherwise, nope. Leave it out.

There are loads of people applying to be a Guard, no shortage of recruits so it cannot be all that bad. Is turn over high? I doubt it.

when the first recruitment started something like 30 000 people applyed for 300 jobs ,

in the latest recruitment 1200 people applied for 600 jobs .

you have to think the quality will suffer

suicide_circus · 02-11-2016 01:09PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

its not hard its what politicians are supposed to to actually

When are you putting yourself forward for election?

Larsso30 · 02-11-2016 01:11PM

would this have any impact on matches and events going ahead?

Little CuChulainn · 02-11-2016 01:17PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

What I wouldn't give for a strong Government to face down these militant unions.
As per usual, the populist muppets will buy off the strikers using yours and my money.
It's ironically criminal that these incredibly well remunerated public servants would attempt to hold the country to ransom.

It's the unions that have helped make this mess. They would not allow the GRA and AGSI come to their own deals outside of Lansdown Road even though they weren't a part of the negotiations. Back when the new sick regulations were brought in the big unions threatened actions of Gardaí were given any derrogations from it.

Let's be real here, the likes of Gardaí, nurses and prison officers should not be in the same negotiations as clerical workers and cleaners. The jobs are too unique to be negotiated on the same basis. Time for a little separation in talks.

02-11-2016 01:22PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

when the first recruitment started something like 30 000 people applyed for 300 jobs ,

in the latest recruitment 1200 people applied for 600 jobs .

you have to think the quality will suffer

What?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/16700-apply-for-600-trainee-garda-positions-375304.html

16,700 apply for 600 trainee garda positions

Do share where you're getting your 1200 figure from.

mynamejeff · 02-11-2016 01:24PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

What?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/16700-apply-for-600-trainee-garda-positions-375304.html

Do share where you're getting your 1200 figure from.

that article is from January 2016.

like i said its the most recent recruitment that is failing to attract people.

foggy_lad · 02-11-2016 01:40PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

that article is from January 2016.

like i said its the most recent recruitment that is failing to attract people.

Please Link to the most recent figures of 1,200 applicants for 600 jobs if you can or explain where they come from?

Little CuChulainn · 02-11-2016 02:24PM

It was 5,000 for the last one according to the Indo

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/major-drop-in-garda-applicants-as-gra-claim-role-no-longer-as-enticing-as-it-once-was-35107751.html

Zzippy · 02-11-2016 02:26PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Pay restoration is the PR friendly euphemism for a pay rise.

Govt: Right, you're on 500 a week, but we're having a little crisis now and can't afford that, so we're cutting your wages to 400.

Garda: Well ok, boss, but what's the chances of restoring pay when you have a bit more cash?

Govt: Yeah, we'll do that when we have the cash, don't worry about it, it's just a temporary cut.

Garda: Sound.

....

....

Garda: So anyway, boss, now that the good times are back, how about that pay restoration deal you promised?

Govt: Yeah, no, sorry, no can do, that's a pay rise you're talking about, we don't do those...

Garda: But... what about the 5k extra you lads are getting?

Govt: No, you see, that's pay restoration... we could explain but you wouldn't understand the difference.

Theboinkmaster · 02-11-2016 02:32PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Garda: So anyway, boss, now that the good times are back, how about that pay restoration deal you promised?

That's the problem right there - the good times are not back.

Government is still running deficit and borrowing to pay PS wages.

Come back to us when we're back in the black :pac:

Ted111 · 02-11-2016 02:37PM

Open season on the bus lanes friday.

ATMs are normally topped up on a friday, to last the weekend, but won't
be tomorrow. So some/all could run low/out during the weekend. It would
be wise to stockpile your spondoolas in advance.

Allinall · 02-11-2016 02:45PM

Ted111 wrote: »

Open season on the bus lanes friday.

ATMs are normally topped up on a friday, to last the weekend, but won't
be tomorrow. So some/all could run low/out during the weekend. It would
be wise to stockpile your spondoolas in advance.

Don't think the guards have anything to do with the topping up of ATMs.

foggy_lad · 02-11-2016 02:48PM

Allinall wrote: »

Don't think the guards have anything to do with the topping up of ATMs.

The Army will probably be doing that as they will be guarding the ATM's

Ted111 · 02-11-2016 02:52PM

Allinall wrote: »

Don't think the guards have anything to do with the topping up of ATMs.

Oh you don't think? So you're not sure. Seems there's a lot you don't know about. CIT companies will not be delivering cash to ATMs on Friday. Which is one of the two days that they are filled. They will likely run low.

I can draw pictures for you if necessary.

ardinn · 02-11-2016 03:02PM

Are they on strike today - 5 times I have rang Carlow Garda station with no answer - Lucky im not being murdered!!

Dyr · 02-11-2016 03:04PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's the unions that have helped make this mess. They would not allow the GRA and AGSI come to their own deals outside of Lansdown Road even though they weren't a part of the negotiations. Back when the new sick regulations were brought in the big unions threatened actions of Gardaí were given any derrogations from it.

Let's be real here, the likes of Gardaí, nurses and prison officers should not be in the same negotiations as clerical workers and cleaners. The jobs are too unique to be negotiated on the same basis. Time for a little separation in talks.

Unions did the right thing, the gardaí wanted the best of both worlds as usual

Government need to face these buckos down and then have a root and branch reform as happened with the RUC. Should have happened at the same time as the RUC were overhauled with the patten report recommendations.

Boom_Bap · 02-11-2016 03:18PM

Ted111 wrote: »

Oh you don't think? So you're not sure. Seems there's a lot you don't know about. CIT companies will not be delivering cash to ATMs on Friday. Which is one of the two days that they are filled. They will likely run low.

I can draw pictures for you if necessary.

No need for this. Keep this on topic.

Larsso30 · 02-11-2016 04:10PM

Allinall wrote: »

Don't think the guards have anything to do with the topping up of ATMs.

Cash companies wont be stocking them with garda on strike is why.

their vans will be off the road..

Little CuChulainn · 02-11-2016 04:43PM

Bambi wrote: »

Unions did the right thing, the gardaí wanted the best of both worlds as usual

Government need to face these buckos down and then have a root and branch reform as happened with the RUC. Should have happened at the same time as the RUC were overhauled with the patten report recommendations.

In what way did they want the best of both worlds? Either treat the Gardai as special and exclude them from talks in favour of individual negotiations or treat them like everyone else and allow them access to the same industrial relations mechanisms and negotiations as everyone else. It's the government that wanted both ways. Exclude Gardai from talk and industrial relations while simultaneously binding them to the outcomes.

AllGunsBlazing · 02-11-2016 05:38PM

The purge is starting early round my way with a parked car being set on fire last night. Friday should be fun.

The Garda Strike

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