Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 12:10PM

Gamebred wrote:

Well considering hes beaten every relevant 145er and only ko'd the only champ ever less than a year ago I dont see how it can be disputed,he is the best fighter on planet earth who can make 145 (which I still believe he can),you must class Aldo as the champion of the world at 145 so?

Gamebred wrote:

Cruz is talking about big super fights but as usual I dont see any proof,same with Jones going to HW,they all talk a good game.

Aldo is all but the world champion. We all know, you included that Conor wont fight at 145 again. He was the champion no doubt, but you have to fight at that weight class again to continue being champ. Technically he will be a 2 weight consecutive world champ but only for a pic.

I've actually seen videos where jones says he wont fight heavy weights because there too big for him. I think Cruz will fight Aldo or Holloway for 145 in 2017

Tazzimus · 31-10-2016 12:16PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

He was the champion no doubt, but you have to fight at that weight class again to continue being champ.

No you don't, that mentality is ridiculous when people say that.

He beat the champ therefore he is the champ, that's how it works. None of this you beat the champ but you have to defend the belt at least once to really be the champ.

He's already beaten everyone relevant in that division bar Frankie and Aldo already wrecked him a few times so he'd be nowhere a title shot anyway.

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 12:18PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Aldo is all but the world champion. We all know, you included that Conor wont fight at 145 again. He was the champion no doubt, but you have to fight at that weight class again to continue being champ. Technically he will be a 2 weight consecutive world champ but only for a pic.

I've actually seen videos where jones says he wont fight heavy weights because there too big for him. I think Cruz will fight Aldo or Holloway for 145 in 2017

Was Aldo not the champ when he failed to defend the title for MORE than a year on more than 1 occasion?

Everyone wants to see champion v champion and when it happens people like you come along with the ''hes not a real champ hes not fought at 145 in ages'' I suppose you'd prefer a fight with Aldo at 205?

**** happens the Diaz fight came along he wanted to get a win back its the least he was owed considering what hes done for the sport and the promotion.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 12:19PM

Tazzimus wrote:

He beat the champ therefore he is the champ, that's how it works. None of this you beat the champ but you have to defend the belt at least once to really be the champ.

Does this mean he is the champion for ever more? How long can you call yourself a champion without fighting in the division? We know he has zero intention of ever being a featherweight again.

I don't believe you have to defend to be a champ, Conor was legit world champ, but he's not a featherweight anymore

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 12:20PM

Gamebred wrote:

Was Aldo not the champ when he failed to defend the title for MORE than a year on more than 1 occasion?

Was aldo fighting in different divisions? No

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 12:24PM

Gamebred wrote:

Everyone wants to see champion v champion and when it happens people like you come along with the ''hes not a real champ hes not fought at 145 in ages'' I suppose you'd prefer a fight with Aldo at 205?

Na I wouldn't like to see Conor v Aldo again. Id like to see Conor continue to fight at 155 but let go of the FW belt because he's not a featherweight anymore and wont be ever again.

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 12:26PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Was aldo fighting in different divisions? No

No which is worse he was inactive,this whole defending the belt thing became murky when RDA pulled out which a lot of people seem to forget,he didnt plan on 2 fights at 170 **** happens and im sure were all glad it did him including,

Your saying hes not a fw anymore but its just an opinion whose to say if he loses at 55 he doesnt come back down for the Aldo rematch and keep his ppv champion contract?

Sure Aldo's going around crying saying hes retiring and done with the UFC no intentions of fighting so how does it make him all but the champion?

JustTheOne · 31-10-2016 12:26PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Na I wouldn't like to see Conor v Aldo again. Id like to see Conor continue to fight at 155 but let go of the FW belt because he's not a featherweight anymore and wont be ever again.

You won't have long too wait.

Two weeks

cloudatlas · 31-10-2016 12:27PM

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/how-eddie-alvarez-killed-the-king

Jack Slack on Alvarez vs Dos Anjos.

I hope Conor is preparing specifically for Alvarez. I don't think he can have a do over this time.

Mellor · 31-10-2016 12:30PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Was aldo fighting in different divisions? No

Ok then, did Anderson Silva cease to be MW champ when he fought Stefan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin at LHW?

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 12:32PM

Gamebred wrote:

Sure Aldo's going around crying saying hes retiring and done with the UFC no intentions of fighting so how does it make him all but the champion?

Aldo is currently the interim world champion. He fought for a featherweight belt whilst Conor was having a meaningless ego fight. I'd no problem with the first Diaz fight due to RDA pulling out, but a 2nd diaz fight.
A loss and a decision over 5th ranked LW and he gets a title shot, while still claiming to be featherweight champion, it's all jist to massage Conors ego

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 12:35PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Aldo is currently the interim world champion. He fought for a featherweight belt whilst Conor was having a meaningless ego fight. I'd no problem with the first Diaz fight due to RDA pulling out, but a 2nd diaz fight.
A loss and a decision over 5th ranked LW and he gets a title shot, while still claiming to be featherweight champion, it's all jist to massage Conors ego

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 01:02PM

Mellor wrote:

Ok then, did Anderson Silva cease to be MW champ when he fought Stefan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin at LHW?

Ok then. That was a title, he defended his MW title in his next fight, he didn't go and have 2 exhibition fights, followed by a LHW title shot.

Mellor · 31-10-2016 01:18PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

Ok then. That was a title, he defended his MW title in his next fight, he didn't go and have 2 exhibition fights, followed by a LHW title shot.

Yes, but he didn't defend his MW title for a year or more. And he was still considered the MW champion during that time.

Yet, it's a shorter time frame here, and you are trying to say Conor isn't currently the FW champion. It's hypocritical and a bit ridiculous tbh.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 01:24PM

Mellor wrote:

Yet, it's a shorter time frame here, and you are trying to say Conor isn't currently the FW champion. It's hypocritical and a bit ridiculous tbh.

This will be his 3rd fight outside his division. Using fighters that were inactive just isn't going to work. No one has been allowed to do what Conor is doing. Making a mockery of belts and rankings, MMA or the UFC at least, is going down the same route as pro boxing, dissapointing as I became an MMA fan when I got fed up with boxings "Super Fights".

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 01:34PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

This will be his 3rd fight outside his division. Using fighters that were inactive just isn't going to work. No one has been allowed to do what Conor is doing. Making a mockery of belts and rankings, MMA or the UFC at least, is going down the same route as pro boxing, dissapointing as I became an MMA fan when I got fed up with boxings "Super Fights".

Who did you want him to fight after he ko'd Aldo?

When RDA pulled out Edgar was injured,Aldo couldnt fight obviously there was nobody till the summer able to fight even if he wanted to defend it so you expect him to sit around from December to July to suit your ideas of what fights a champion should take?

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 01:44PM

Gamebred wrote:

When RDA pulled out Edgar was injured,Aldo couldnt fight obviously there was nobody till the summer able to fight even if he wanted to defend it so you expect him to sit around from December to July to suit your ideas of what fights a champion should take?

As I said, I'd no problem with the RDA fight, or the first Diaz fight, but he shouldn't have been allowed to fight diaz a second time, definitely not without dropping the 145 belt.

When do non title fights, not even a contender fight, have an immediate rematch. And how does a loss and a close decision against the 5th ranked lightweight (at 170lbs) earn him a title shot.

wonderfullife · 31-10-2016 01:57PM

MMA fan logic is amazing at times.

I've heard for weeks now that Bisping is not really the true champion. That he robbed Anderson Silva in a hometown decision. That he got lucky landing those left hands against Rockhold and that Rockhold would kill him in a rematch. That old-man Henderson won the fight.

Very few people walk into the UFC and get quick title shots. They are the exception rather than the rule. Reserved for guys like Brock Lesnar and Fedor (if they had gotten him in his prime).

Bisping and McGregor both had to fight their asses off to get to the belt match-up. Both are worthy champions regardless of how many times they defend.

Winning the belt = Champion.
Defending the belt many times = Cementing legacy in the division.

I'll admit it's not an amazing statistic (if Conor beats Eddie) he will have now won 4 world belts in 4 years in 2 organisations and have zero title defences. There's plenty of time for that to change in the future. There's some brilliant potential match-ups at 155 (Cowboy, Nate, RDA, Khabib) and he has history with most of those.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 02:14PM

wonderfullife wrote:

I've heard for weeks now that Bisping is not really the true champion. That he robbed Anderson Silva in a hometown decision. That he got lucky landing those left hands against Rockhold and that Rockhold would kill him in a rematch. That old-man Henderson won the fight.

No one said Bisping was lucky against Rockhold, no one.

I'm not doubting that Conor won the featherweight belt by being the best featherweight around, but he's not a featherweight anymore.

Anything even slightly negative about him seems to send this thread into meltdown. Dont worry lads, John wont bite ye if he sees someone with an opinion.

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 02:17PM

He had no viable fw opponents till July at the earliest,so from July till now is 4 months! He's been inactive at FW for that period but that doesnt suit your agenda so we wont mention it.

wonderfullife · 31-10-2016 02:19PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

No one said Bisping was lucky against Rockhold, no one.

I'm not doubting that Conor won the featherweight belt by being the best featherweight around, but he's not a featherweight anymore.

Anything even slightly negative about him seems to send this thread into meltdown. Dont worry lads, John wont bite ye if he sees someone with an opinion.

We don't KNOW for sure he's not going to defend the 145 belt. It's the consensus that he's done with it but we don't know what's going through his mind. Perhaps Pettis secures an amazing KO against Max and they set up that match. A lot depends on this "time off"/"semi-retirement" thing - if he's taking a break it's all pointless talk.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 02:21PM

Gamebred wrote:

He had no viable fw opponents till July at the earliest,so from July till now is 4 months! He's been inactive at FW for that period but that doesnt suit your agenda so we wont mention it.

He's fought or will have fought 3 times in a different division without defending yet still champ.
Using fighters who were unactive due to injury is the only way you can push your agenda.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 02:22PM

Gamebred wrote:

He had no viable fw opponents till July at the earliest,so from July till now is 4 months! He's been inactive at FW for that period but that doesnt suit your agenda so we wont mention it.

He could easily have fought Edgar or Aldo or Holloway rematch in July. Hes been inactive in the featherweight division since December 2015.

Swashbuckler · 31-10-2016 02:25PM

Head Wreck wrote:

Anything even slightly negative about him seems to send this thread into meltdown. Dont worry lads, John wont bite ye if he sees someone with an opinion.

Where's the meltdown?

I agree the second Diaz fight shouldn't have happened but I can see why it did.
The simple matter is if RDA didn't pull out or Conor wasn't pulled from 200, in all likelihood he'd have either defended or given up the 145 belt by now.

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 02:26PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

He could easily have fought Edgar or Aldo or Holloway rematch in July. Hes been inactive in the featherweight division since December 2015.

Are you slow or something? I said from July you have an arguement about him being inactive fair play 4 months out of the division cry me a river,

He's beaten 2 of them so they arent what he wants financially,the casuals wont buy it hence his pocket and ego choosing a rematch wit Nate,

You gotta laugh you'd swear hes avoiding the 145er's you do realise hes taking bigger risks against better fighters out of the division,he hasnt said hes not coming back he could defend it early 2017 so stop crying and get over it.

Head Wreck · 31-10-2016 02:31PM

Gamebred wrote:

Are you slow or something? I said from July you have an arguement about him being inactive fair play 4 months out of the division cry me a river,

You cannot stand to see someone be critical of Conor. You can't even debate it without throwing out personal insults at me.

Gamebred · 31-10-2016 02:35PM

Head Wreck wrote: »

You cannot stand to see someone be critical of Conor. You can't even debate it without throwing out personal insults at me.

I didnt insult you I asked you a question,

McGregor has been inactive since July(zero viable title challengers to fight till then) at FW thats not even questionable yet you try to,that says it all I'm talking to the wall here,

Have a good day.

DeVore · 31-10-2016 03:22PM

He was supposed to go up for a shot at RDA, but then RDA got injured and he fought Diaz to save the card. Fair enough. Then he got beat and wanted a rematch. Fair enough. Now he's back to the original plan of two belts. Fair enough. If his next fight isn't at 145 to defend it then he's no longer champion imho. He won it fair and square, so he WAS/IS champion but to STAY champion you have to defend it, if he doesn't defend it as soon as there is a clear contender (and as his next fight), then he forfeits imho.

wonderfullife · 31-10-2016 03:36PM

Techniques i'd love to see Conor return to in this fight:

1. Lead-leg hook kick. It's an unusual strike in MMA and he landed a couple clean on Max Holloway and it kept Max guessing what was coming next.

2. The Prince Naseem lead/corkscrew uppercut. Conor throws it at unusual angles and it can act as a disguise for the straight left.

3. Eddie, like Mendes, loves the overhand right. Unlike Mendes, he tends to follow it up with a left and often disguises the combination by opening up with a faint level-change.

3b. So, the pawing faint right jab into left hook combo could work well. This was the setup that dropped Nate in the rematch and also set up the finish to the Poirier fight.

4. Eddie tends to employ inside leg kicks against southpaws. Conor initiated some lovely sweeps and takedowns from caught kicks in the Holloway and Brandao fights (and people tend to forget that Diego was a high level black belt). He has an unorthodox single leg takedown.

So i'd like to see him attempt to capitalise on the incoming inside leg-kicks, which are a near-certainty for Alvarez to throw.

5. Elbows in the clinch a la the Steve O' Keefe and Diaz fights. At least keep Eddie honest and on his toes and not get too comfortable against the fence.

Beyond all that it may simply boil down to Eddies ability to avoid the pull-counter that Conor is brilliant at. He claims to have been working on an answer to this so we'll see.

DeVore · 31-10-2016 03:45PM

With Eddies all out assault style its really going to come down to "can he take that left" because he's going to get hit with it for sure. He's wide open. That's his weakness, the all out assault. His strength is exactly the same... if he tags Conor, can Conor take that hit (that's a big IF too, I think Conor's head movement is too good but hey, everyone can get hit!).

I cant see too many kooky kicks coming from Conor against a guy who is definitely keen to wrestle...eh..*smooch* him.

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