Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Calina · 22-10-2016 08:48PM

And Brexit?

maryishere · 22-10-2016 09:31PM

Calina wrote: »

And Brexit?

Its a shame that some are bigoted against the UK and bitter it will be leaving the tyrannical European Union. Did you hear the Canadian government on the radio today, giving out about the EU. They were 5 years trying to do a trade deal with them, but they found the EU totally farcical, especially considering Canada has European type value. The Canadians complained about the 28 countries of the EU, how there was too many "cooks in the kitchen", how they (the EU ) could do nothing by agreement or make no decisions etc.

The UK will just be fine.;)

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2016 09:36PM

Gryst to the mill for the diehard Brexiters.
26% would vote for a Stop Brexit party, that doesn't include Scot and NI.

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/814409/399814.jpg

maryishere · 22-10-2016 09:40PM

so 74% would NOT vote for a Stop Brexit part?

Interesting to see the conservatives still the biggest party.

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 09:53PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a shame that some are bigoted against the UK and bitter it will be leaving the tyrannical European Union.

While more are just plain bigoted??

Who don't even like people who aren't white British :eek:

R P McMurphy · 22-10-2016 09:56PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a shame that some are bigoted against the UK and bitter it will be leaving the tyrannical European Union. Did you hear the Canadian government on the radio today, giving out about the EU. They were 5 years trying to do a trade deal with them, but they found the EU totally farcical, especially considering Canada has European type value. The Canadians complained about the 28 countries of the EU, how there was too many "cooks in the kitchen", how they (the EU ) could do nothing by agreement or make no decisions etc.

The UK will just be fine.;)

OK will you specify what is so tyrannical about the European Union or are you just throwing random adjectives around

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 09:58PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

OK will you specify what is so tyrannical about the European Union or are you just throwing random adjectives around

It'll be like.....something something refugees,Immigrants....bla,bla

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2016 10:01PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

OK will you specify what is so tyrannical about the European Union or are you just throwing random adjectives around

Dey tuk our empire

Capt'n Midnight · 22-10-2016 10:20PM

maryishere wrote: »

IDid you hear the Canadian government on the radio today, giving out about the EU. They were 5 years trying to do a trade deal with them, but they found the EU totally farcical, especially considering Canada has European type value. The Canadians complained about the 28 countries of the EU, how there was too many "cooks in the kitchen", how they (the EU ) could do nothing by agreement or make no decisions etc.

The UK will just be fine.;)

Actually it's 7 years. And the only fly in the ointment is that a regional parliament in Belgium is vetoing the whole thing.

And it's Canada. If there was a popularity contest between the UK and Canada the UK would only get one vote. And it would be from Canada because they too fricken nice.

The UK can ONLY get a trade deal with the EU if EVERYONE agrees. Let's just hope no one has a grudge. Or ulterior motive to delay the deal.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21709145-grumpy-insular-mood-european-union

Thus can a region of 3.5m souls hold up a deal backed by governments representing 545m. Add sub-regional parliaments to a long cast of spoilers holding up regular EU business. Indeed, the summit provided ample evidence of the EU’s difficulty in managing its members’ current mania for referendums. Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, struggled to explain to his 27 counterparts how his government would ratify the EU-Ukraine association agreement, a free-trade and political deal signed two years ago but rejected by Dutch voters in April. Like CETA, the deal needs unanimous backing from EU governments before it can be fully implemented. Viktor Orban, Hungary’s prime minister, held up a discussion on migration by insisting on a flexible interpretation of the EU’s quotas on refugee redistribution, an issue on which his government called and won a recent domestic referendum.

That delay meant that Theresa May, Britain’s prime minister, was not able to address the summit on her plans for Britain’s departure from the EU, the outcome of a referendum in June, until around 1am

1am. Yeah.

Junkyard Tom · 22-10-2016 10:27PM

indioblack wrote: »

This is the kind of remark that I'd say Fred was referring to. Why reference WW1? Or British generals, specifically?
The thread title is there, at the top of each page. References to colonial and imperial history, military might, or the lack therof, have little direct bearing on Brexit.

You single out my response but ignore the post of a person who brought up the British Navy, Hitler, and priests in the 1960's?

Jog on.

Enzokk · 22-10-2016 10:27PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a shame that some are bigoted against the UK and bitter it will be leaving the tyrannical European Union. Did you hear the Canadian government on the radio today, giving out about the EU. They were 5 years trying to do a trade deal with them, but they found the EU totally farcical, especially considering Canada has European type value. The Canadians complained about the 28 countries of the EU, how there was too many "cooks in the kitchen", how they (the EU ) could do nothing by agreement or make no decisions etc.

The UK will just be fine.;)

You could see it like that, or you could see it as a negative for the UK. The chances of one region of the EU giving the UK a total sweetheart deal because they sell cheese and wine to the UK will not be tolerated by other regions and the chances of this happening is seems to sail away into the distance.

maryishere · 22-10-2016 10:37PM

The 28 (soon to be 27) countries of the EU will not survive together in the EU. Too many cooks in the kitchen, unable after 5 or 7 years to even do a trade deal with Canada. No wonder the EU is the slowest growing region in the world. Shame, as the EEC / EC had potential.

22-10-2016 10:41PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a shame that some are bigoted against the UK and bitter it will be leaving the tyrannical European Union. Did you hear the Canadian government on the radio today, giving out about the EU. They were 5 years trying to do a trade deal with them, but they found the EU totally farcical, especially considering Canada has European type value. The Canadians complained about the 28 countries of the EU, how there was too many "cooks in the kitchen", how they (the EU ) could do nothing by agreement or make no decisions etc.

Yes, the supposedly "undemocratic" EU - "dictators", in Brexit terminology - allowed a region to have a democratic right to resist an EU agreement made with a foreign state. Meanwhile the supposedly "democratic" UK (and its unelected, blood-based head of state and House of Lords) is going to force - "dictate", in Brexit terminology? - the people of Scotland and British-occupied Ireland to leave the European Union against their clear, expressed wish.

As always, the irony (and much else) of your quotidian jejune Europhobic ramblings here is utterly awesome. Go away out of that with yourself and don't be talking nonsense.

maryishere · 22-10-2016 10:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Go away out of that with yourself and don't be talking nonsense.

Its a fact the EU the 27 or 28 "cooks in the kitchen" could not agree on the trade deal with Canada, even after many years.

You "Go away out of that with yourself and don't be talking nonsense."

Here is news for you
"Canada’s trade minister walked out of talks in Belgium on Friday, declaring that the European Union was incapable of sealing a planned transatlantic free trade deal designed to boost growth in both economies.
All 28 EU governments support the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA), but Belgium cannot give assent without backing from its five sub-federal administrations, and French-speaking Wallonia has steadfastly opposed it.
The agreement, the EU’s first with a G7 country, would according to supporters increase trade between the partners by 20 per cent, boosting the EU economy by €12 billion per year and Canada’s by C$12 billion."
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/canada-storms-out-of-trade-talks-with-incapable-eu-1.2838180

the evasion_kid · 22-10-2016 10:54PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a fact the EU the 27 or 28 "cooks in the kitchen" could not agree on the trade deal with Canada, even after many years.

You "Go away out of that with yourself and don't be talking nonsense."

It's no coincidence that as the EU has turned more political...it's fallen to sh!te

indioblack · 22-10-2016 10:55PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You single out my response but ignore the post of a person who brought up the British Navy, Hitler, and priests in the 1960's?

Jog on.

I didn't single you out. Your post was there when I chose to comment.
And if posts like the one that I responded to are not even handed, why should mine be?
There's been sufficient sniping in the last Brexit thread to warrant a response like mine.

22-10-2016 10:59PM

indioblack wrote: »

References to colonial and imperial history, military might, or the lack therof, have little direct bearing on Brexit.

Have you totally missed all the rabid jingoism and Europhobia of the British media for the past four decades? The scapegoating of every British failing as being the EU's fault? The "let's put the Great back into Great Britain again" drones who want Britain to have a second coming as a world power? The incessant contrasts between Britain's non-leadership of the EU, Britain's former "greatest power on earth" status and the unprecedented power of Germany in 2016 (or 2006, 1996...)?

The country you regularly feel the need to defend is outstanding in its desperation to make the EU a scapegoat for all that decline in British imperial "glory" and world power status. And to think the Germans, having lost the war, are now by far Europe's leading power...

History, or rather delusional perceptions of British imperial history, have always powered British Francophobia/Germanophobia/Europhobia. Always.

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 11:00PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its a fact the EU the 27 or 28 "cooks in the kitchen" could not agree on the trade deal with Canada, even after many years.

You "Go away out of that with yourself and L]

Surly This is a prime example of good??

As no minority etc is being trod on and everyone's opinion counts

As opposed to brexit where northern Ireland and Scottish opinions count for fcuk all???

Junkyard Tom · 22-10-2016 11:03PM

Britain’s biggest banks are preparing to relocate out of the UK in the first few months of 2017 amid growing fears over the impending Brexit negotiations, while smaller banks are making plans to get out before Christmas.

theguardian.com

Not sure if it'd be a good thing or bad thing for Britain if they did leave. Might just be the banks trying to influence future negotiations too I suppose.

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 11:08PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Not sure if it'd be a good thing or bad thing for Britain if they did leave. Might just be the banks trying to influence future negotiations too I suppose.

They hold an extraordinary sway over the British economy

Brexit was presumably fought to force then out and return to a manufacturing economy??

Fratton Fred · 22-10-2016 11:08PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Surly This is a prime example of good??

As no minority etc is being trod on and everyone's opinion counts

As opposed to brexit where northern Ireland and Scottish opinions count for fcuk all???

Why bother with elected politicians at all, why not just put every trade deal or new legislation to a referendum.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2016 11:08PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

It's no coincidence that as the EU has turned more political...it's fallen to sh!te

That is patent nonsense. The EU needs constant reform and adjustment but 'gone to ****e' and more absurdly 'tyrannical' is just bull.

maryishere · 22-10-2016 11:09PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Surly This is a prime example of good??

No, because having 28 cooks in the kitchen ( and all their hangers on ) means nothing gets done. No trade deal with Canada, even after 7 years of Canada doing its best. No wonder the EU is the slowest growing region in the world.

22-10-2016 11:09PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

It's no coincidence that as the EU has turned more political...it's fallen to sh!te

And how do you account for Britannia having "fallen to shíte" so consistently and unequivocally since the glory days of the Boer War Concentration Camps?

Here are two helpful maps:

British Empire 1916

v.

British Overseas Territory 2016

As these maps show, no country in world history has declined as much as Britain has "fallen to shíte" in the past 100 years. None. But nice try at deflecting Britain's massive political failure/decline on to the EU.

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 11:10PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why bother with elected politicians at all, why not just put every trade deal or new legislation to a referendum.

I do think their should be more referendums.....but then again....I view democracy as important??

Your hardly arguing the eu should trample over its laws and democracy to make bit of money and trade with Canada???
.

When did money become more important than democracy??

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 11:12PM

maryishere wrote: »

No, because having 28 cooks in the kitchen ( and all their hangers on ) means nothing gets done. No trade deal with Canada, even after 7 years of Canada doing its best. No wonder the EU is the slowest growing region in the world.

So along with disliking Immigrants....you also wish to trample over democracy....for money???

maryishere · 22-10-2016 11:15PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

As opposed to brexit where northern Ireland and Scottish opinions count for fcuk all???

If there was a contraception or divorce referendum here, and Donegal or West Kerry mostly voted one way and the rest of the country mostly voted the other way, you could say then say Donegal or West Kerry opinions count for fcuk all too. Then again, everyone has a right to vote and their elected representatives have a say in their respective national parliaments.

tomwaterford · 22-10-2016 11:19PM

maryishere wrote: »

If there was a contraception or divorce referendum here, and Donegal or West Kerry mostly voted one way and the rest of the country mostly voted the other way, you could say then say Donegal or West Kerry opinions count for fcuk all too. Then again, everyone has a right to vote and their elected representatives have a say in their respective national parliaments.

West kerry and donegal are among the most progressive places in the country

A majority opinion in the north and Scotland counts for fcuk all.....never did and never will.....they are a permanent minority in Westminster anD always will

It's easy why Scots are preparing to walk....overwhelming opinion there seems to no longer fall in love with England

How much longer will they hang around with no input/value in trade deals etc within the UK....they should pursue their own in a post brexit worlD

Fratton Fred · 22-10-2016 11:19PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I do think their should be more referendums.....but then again....I view democracy as important??

Your hardly arguing the eu should trample over its laws and democracy to make bit of money and trade with Canada???
.
When did money become more important than democracy??

I believe in democracy, but I also believe in governments getting on and doing the job they are paid to do.

the evasion_kid · 22-10-2016 11:19PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is patent nonsense. The EU needs constant reform and adjustment but 'gone to ****e' and more absurdly 'tyrannical' is just bull.

Yep we've had the economic crisis,mass youth unemployment,austerity(for the little people),countries up to their eyes in debt,the migrant crisis,terror attacks and now brexit....to quote a famous Russian " I've lived in you're future....it doesn't work"

Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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