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Battle for Mosul

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  • #32
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Certainly not good people but better the devil you know. The world would feel much safer and more stable if they were still in charge of their respective countries.

    No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack


  • #33
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

    Tbf....the west has a lot to thank them for getting a foothold starting off here


    Though I did remember reading somewhere on boards about how America essentially screwed them over to help turkey and stop Russia.....there's little to doubting their bravery though


    Aren't they the crowd with bridages.of wimmin.fighters


  • #34
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Starve? The problem there is that I think everyone could guarantee that the people who would starve -last- would be the ISIS fighters.


  • #35
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.


  • #36
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

    It was an auto correct mistake :pac:


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  • #37
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

    To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

    You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.


  • #38
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    RasTa wrote: »

    Americans are on the ground and in the air.

    Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

    you'd get pretty good odds on an ISIS win I'd say


  • #39
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Seems to be going well?
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/battle-mosul-iraqi-forces-claim-gains-isil-161017125543255.html



    Wouldn't like to be any of them headed in to fight there....as the consequences for losing are severe....and surrendering isn't an option


  • #40
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

    You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.

    This is the bit that blows my mind. Yes! The current situation is far from ideal but that doesn't justify the lionization of horrendous tyrants like Saddam and Gadaffi.

    These ideas are not mutually exclusive, they are both bad!


  • #41
    Academic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Academic


    RasTa wrote: »
    Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

    [...]

    Hmmm?

    The people fighting to retake the city are Muslims.

    Am I missing some irony?


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  • #42
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    I didn't think I would have to explain that...


  • #43
    Hotei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Hotei


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

    Released by Amaq Agency yesterday:


  • #44
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Gatling wrote: »
    By all reports most of the buildings are booby trapped with IEDs and possible chemical weapons most of the main roads and streets are mined .
    They even have tunnels underground expect Fallujah on steroids from 10 years ago

    That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria, this way they can kill two birds with one stone, filter the terrorists into Syria and at the same time pretend to be doing something about them. There won't be a big fight for Mosul, just a few skirmishes as the terrorists are allowed move out west.


  • #45
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria,

    Sorry but what .

    What media outlets are claiming that
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  • #46
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.
    Peshmerga means "one who confronts death" or "one who faces death". "Pesh" means to stand in front of (loosely translated as to confront or face) while "merga" means death.[3][4]
    .


  • #47
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are a different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

    Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

    Saddam killed about 5,000 people a year. Far more have since since he left.

    I'm not saying he was a good guy, I mean killing 5000 of your own people every year is pretty fcuking bad. However it's been worse every year since the US invasion. Imagine how bad it must be to think it was better under Saddam.


  • #48
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Send the demons back to the devil.

    You mean send them to meet their Prophet. That's where he came from and where he returned.


  • #49
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why would they flee to Syria?

    They are being given passage to Syria.

    http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2016/10-2016/isis-granted-safe-passage-to-syria/

    Now that might sound odd,,,,,but a well funded cabal sent to bolster the thugs in Aleppo or plant a flag in the east of Syria makes all the sense.


  • #50
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Send the demons back to the devil.

    There are no demons or devil. Only those who believe that gods demons and devils give them permission to do cruel and vicious things. IS are just deluded humans. They bleed when they are shot and bombed like everyone else. They need to be killed in huge numbers to break their grip on Syria/ Iraq.


  • #51
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Magical comments
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  • #52
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Gatling wrote: »
    Sorry but what .

    What media outlets are claiming that

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/18/after-mosul-falls-isis-will-flee-to-syria-then-what/

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/an-urgently-necessary-briefing-on-syria/

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/08/syria-ultimate-pipelineistan-war/

    Not your ornery onager



  • #53
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Esel wrote: »
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/18/after-mosul-falls-isis-will-flee-to-syria-then-what/

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/an-urgently-necessary-briefing-on-syria/

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/08/syria-ultimate-pipelineistan-war/

    The pipeline was theory was debunked ,
    Qatar couldn't even export their own oil because of Saudi controlled opec more or less cut them out of the market ,

    As for opinion pieces that's all they are opinions based off no facts or on the ground reports.
    We see it all the time he said this and he said that,
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