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Battle for Mosul

RasTa

Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

Pretty big day,

Around 45,000 Iraqi army soldiers will lead the assault from the south of Mosul, while peshmerga forces move into position so they can block Isis escape routes to the north and east.

Americans are on the ground and in the air.

Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

may cause up to 100,000 Iraqis to flee to Syria and Turkey,

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Iwasfrozen

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Certainly not good people but better the devil you know. The world would feel much safer and more stable if they were still in charge of their respective countries.

No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

tomwaterford

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

Tbf....the west has a lot to thank them for getting a foothold starting off here

Though I did remember reading somewhere on boards about how America essentially screwed them over to help turkey and stop Russia.....there's little to doubting their bravery though

Aren't they the crowd with bridages.of wimmin.fighters

HellSquirrel

Starve? The problem there is that I think everyone could guarantee that the people who would starve -last- would be the ISIS fighters.

jameorahiely

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

tomwaterford

jameorahiely wrote: »

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

It was an auto correct mistake :pac:

TerrorFirmer

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.

Fratton Fred

RasTa wrote: »

Americans are on the ground and in the air.

Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

you'd get pretty good odds on an ISIS win I'd say

tomwaterford

Seems to be going well?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/battle-mosul-iraqi-forces-claim-gains-isil-161017125543255.html

Wouldn't like to be any of them headed in to fight there....as the consequences for losing are severe....and surrendering isn't an option

Iwasfrozen

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.

This is the bit that blows my mind. Yes! The current situation is far from ideal but that doesn't justify the lionization of horrendous tyrants like Saddam and Gadaffi.

These ideas are not mutually exclusive, they are both bad!

Academic

RasTa wrote: »

Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

[...]

Hmmm?

The people fighting to retake the city are Muslims.

Am I missing some irony?

RasTa

I didn't think I would have to explain that...

Hotei

jameorahiely wrote: »

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

Released by Amaq Agency yesterday:

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

By all reports most of the buildings are booby trapped with IEDs and possible chemical weapons most of the main roads and streets are mined .
They even have tunnels underground expect Fallujah on steroids from 10 years ago

That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria, this way they can kill two birds with one stone, filter the terrorists into Syria and at the same time pretend to be doing something about them. There won't be a big fight for Mosul, just a few skirmishes as the terrorists are allowed move out west.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria,

Sorry but what .

What media outlets are claiming that

Atoms for Peace

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

Peshmerga means "one who confronts death" or "one who faces death". "Pesh" means to stand in front of (loosely translated as to confront or face) while "merga" means death.[3][4]

Grayson

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are a different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

Saddam killed about 5,000 people a year. Far more have since since he left.

I'm not saying he was a good guy, I mean killing 5000 of your own people every year is pretty fcuking bad. However it's been worse every year since the US invasion. Imagine how bad it must be to think it was better under Saddam.

getzls

A Little Pony wrote: »

Send the demons back to the devil.

You mean send them to meet their Prophet. That's where he came from and where he returned.

HensVassal

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why would they flee to Syria?

They are being given passage to Syria.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2016/10-2016/isis-granted-safe-passage-to-syria/

Now that might sound odd,,,,,but a well funded cabal sent to bolster the thugs in Aleppo or plant a flag in the east of Syria makes all the sense.

Fleawuss

A Little Pony wrote: »

Send the demons back to the devil.

There are no demons or devil. Only those who believe that gods demons and devils give them permission to do cruel and vicious things. IS are just deluded humans. They bleed when they are shot and bombed like everyone else. They need to be killed in huge numbers to break their grip on Syria/ Iraq.

Gatling

Magical comments

Esel

Gatling wrote: »

Sorry but what .

What media outlets are claiming that

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/18/after-mosul-falls-isis-will-flee-to-syria-then-what/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/an-urgently-necessary-briefing-on-syria/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/08/syria-ultimate-pipelineistan-war/

Gatling

Esel wrote: »

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/18/after-mosul-falls-isis-will-flee-to-syria-then-what/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/an-urgently-necessary-briefing-on-syria/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/08/syria-ultimate-pipelineistan-war/

The pipeline was theory was debunked ,
Qatar couldn't even export their own oil because of Saudi controlled opec more or less cut them out of the market ,

As for opinion pieces that's all they are opinions based off no facts or on the ground reports.
We see it all the time he said this and he said that,