Battle for Mosul

RasTa

Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

Pretty big day,

Around 45,000 Iraqi army soldiers will lead the assault from the south of Mosul, while peshmerga forces move into position so they can block Isis escape routes to the north and east.

Americans are on the ground and in the air.

Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

may cause up to 100,000 Iraqis to flee to Syria and Turkey,

midnight city

I hope they manage to rid the city of IS, its their last big stronghold. It would be a massive psychological blow for them to be kicked out of Mosul.

Dravokivich

Why would they flee to Syria?

A Little Pony

Send the demons back to the devil.

Gatling

Loads of civillians will get butchered by isis and likely the Iraqi army and Shia groups. and Iranians will get bogged down and leave the heavy fighting to the Americans and kurds

midnight city

Its going to be pretty grim. But the alternative is to leave IS in place to behead people for not following their way by the letter of the book. Either way there will be lots of casualties unfortunately.

RasTa

The Saudi foreign minister, Adel al-Jubeir, says Mosul will turn into a bloodbath and mass killings if the Iraqi government allows Shia militias to enter the city, as it has in other Iraqi cities liberated from Islamic State control

I've no doubt they will take it back but it's going to be a messy situation once it's complete.

pure.conya

RasTa wrote: »

Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

Pretty big day,



Americans are on the ground and in the air.

Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

well going by past performaces I wouldn't like to be a nurse or doctor at work or attending a wedding or attacking ISIS

Moo Moo Land

A Little Pony wrote: »

Send the demons back to the devil.

Ah yes, the supernatural...the cause of and solution to all life's evil

Morpheus

pure.conya wrote: »

well going by past performaces I wouldn't like to be a nurse or doctor at work or attending a wedding or attacking ISIS

Good thing you arent a UN aid convoy driver when the russians are in the air!

Skylinehead

Gatling wrote: »

Loads of civillians will get butchered by isis and likely the Iraqi army and Shia groups. and Iranians will get bogged down and leave the heavy fighting to the Americans and kurds

The Kurds (or Shia groups) aren't entering the city.

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

The Kurds (or Shia groups) aren't entering the city.

That's what's been claimed but I believe they will be heavily involved in getting into Mosul

HensVassal

Makes one yearn for the days of Saddam when kids could walk home safely from school or kick a ball around without getting machine gunned or when you could go to the market without getting blown to chopmeat.

Iwasfrozen

HensVassal wrote: »

Makes one yearn for the days of Saddam when kids could walk home safely from school or kick a ball around without getting machine gunned or when you could go to the market without getting blown to chopmeat.

Or be attacked with chemical weapons by your own government...*

Ah for the days when Saddam was in charge!

* that attack by the way was the largest ever use of chemical weapons against a civilian population.

Gatling

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Or be attacked with chemical weapons by your own government...*

Ah for the days when Saddam was in charge!

* that attack by the way was the largest ever use of chemical weapons against a civilian population.

They don't like the truth

tomwaterford

There is going to be some fiercesome fighting in a city??
Why not draw ISIS out to the country side???



Just hope not too many innocents caught up....and it's the beginning of the end for ISIS as bad as it was to go meddling in Iraq. ...they can't leave them a free rein

Iwasfrozen

Gatling wrote: »

They don't like the truth

It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are a different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

There is going to be some fiercesome fighting in a city??
Why not draw ISIS out to the country side???



Just hope not too many innocents caught up....and it's the beginning of the end for ISIS as bad as it was to go meddling in Iraq. ...they can't leave them a free rein

Well Jaysus lads why didn't we draw the Nazis out of Berlin?

Perhaps because ISIS aren't stupid enough to abandon a defendable position but too fanatical to surrender?

Elmer Blooker

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

Iran was blamed for the gas attack, Saddam's involvement was more or less covered up as he was ally at that time during the Iran-Iraq war.
Its called western diplomacy!

The U.S. State Department, in the immediate aftermath of the incident, took the official position that Iran was partly to blame. A preliminary Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) study at the time reported that Iran was responsible for the attack, an assessment which was used subsequently by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for much of the early 1990s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Controversies

Iwasfrozen

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Iran was blamed for the gas attack, Saddam's involvement was more or less covered up as he was ally at that time during the Iran-Iraq war.
Its called western diplomacy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Controversies

That has literally nothing to do with anything I wrote.

I'm attacking Saddam.

I am not defending the West.

FTA69

tomwaterford wrote: »

There is going to be some fiercesome fighting in a city??
Why not draw ISIS out to the country side???



Just hope not too many innocents caught up....and it's the beginning of the end for ISIS as bad as it was to go meddling in Iraq. ...they can't leave them a free rein

How would you draw them out? They're not going to march into the desert to be massacred from the air. It'll be an absolute bloodbath in there no doubt, look at the carnage in Aleppo and that's being going on for weeks. This will be like that and even worse.

What an utterly tragic situation this whole thing is.

The_Valeyard

They have to go in and take the city.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont. Cant leave IS in control on any city, Village or town. Chase them back across the border into Syria. Wipe the scum out.

ClovenHoof

tomwaterford wrote: »

Just hope not too many innocents caught up....

Thousands and thousands and thousands to be slaughtered. If not from the fighting, from the revenge and collaboration killings afterwards.

Hope is word that means nothing.

Galwayguy35

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

Galwayguy35

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Thousands and thousands and thousands to be slaughtered. If not from the fighting, from the revenge and collaboration killings afterwards.

Hope is word that means nothing.

So what do you suggest they do?

The_Valeyard

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

And the US tried to disarm them in 2003/2004. Good thing that failed.

SEPT 23 1989

A field of heads on poles would be a fitting end to their little adventure

Iwasfrozen

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

If any group deserves a country after all this it's the Kurds.

ChikiChiki

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are a different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

Certainly not good people but better the devil you know. The world would feel much safer and more stable if they were still in charge of their respective countries.

HellSquirrel

There is going to be some fiercesome fighting in a city??
Why not draw ISIS out to the country side???

"Dear Terrorist Scum,

On behalf of the Iraqi Army, the forces of the United States of America and the Kurds, we cordially invite you to a massacre (yours), in the desert outside your stronghold of Mosul, to prevent damage to it and its civilians for when we take it over. Please RSVP at your earliest convenience so preparations can be made.

Yours faithfully,
Attacking Armies."

____

Dear Infidels,

No.

Not At All Yours,
Islamic State.

Gatling

By all reports most of the buildings are booby trapped with IEDs and possible chemical weapons most of the main roads and streets are mined .
They even have tunnels underground expect Fallujah on steroids from 10 years ago

Iwasfrozen

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Certainly not good people but better the devil you know. The world would feel much safer and more stable if they were still in charge of their respective countries.

No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

tomwaterford

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

Tbf....the west has a lot to thank them for getting a foothold starting off here


Though I did remember reading somewhere on boards about how America essentially screwed them over to help turkey and stop Russia.....there's little to doubting their bravery though


Aren't they the crowd with bridages.of wimmin.fighters

HellSquirrel

Starve? The problem there is that I think everyone could guarantee that the people who would starve -last- would be the ISIS fighters.

jameorahiely

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

tomwaterford

jameorahiely wrote: »

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

It was an auto correct mistake :pac:

TerrorFirmer

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No. Certainly not "Better the devil you know" Being too young to remember Saddam is no excuse for ignorance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.

Fratton Fred

RasTa wrote: »

Americans are on the ground and in the air.

Not sure what the outcome will be of all this, UN reporting

you'd get pretty good odds on an ISIS win I'd say

tomwaterford

Seems to be going well?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/battle-mosul-iraqi-forces-claim-gains-isil-161017125543255.html



Wouldn't like to be any of them headed in to fight there....as the consequences for losing are severe....and surrendering isn't an option

Iwasfrozen

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

To be fair they were just pointing out the valid opinion that countless more people have died, economies been shattered and radical terrorist groups risen as a result of destabilisation of the ME than would have under the continued regimes of Saddam, Assad, et al.

You don't have to agree with the opinion 'better the devil you know' but it's valid and I'd say there are more than a few million people in the ME would be of the same mindset.

This is the bit that blows my mind. Yes! The current situation is far from ideal but that doesn't justify the lionization of horrendous tyrants like Saddam and Gadaffi.

These ideas are not mutually exclusive, they are both bad!

Academic

RasTa wrote: »

Bloody muslims, not standing up or saying anything to stop ISIS as usual.

[...]

Hmmm?

The people fighting to retake the city are Muslims.

Am I missing some irony?

RasTa

I didn't think I would have to explain that...

Hotei

jameorahiely wrote: »

Mohammed predicted the end of times battle between muslims and christians would be in Dabiq. Yesterday Dabiq was taken with minimal resistance.

Released by Amaq Agency yesterday:

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

By all reports most of the buildings are booby trapped with IEDs and possible chemical weapons most of the main roads and streets are mined .
They even have tunnels underground expect Fallujah on steroids from 10 years ago

That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria, this way they can kill two birds with one stone, filter the terrorists into Syria and at the same time pretend to be doing something about them. There won't be a big fight for Mosul, just a few skirmishes as the terrorists are allowed move out west.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

That cover story is there to keep the Iraqis and Kurds at bay while the terrorists are allowed to escape west into Syria. They haven't closed the circle around Mosul, Western routes in and out of the city are still open. The US and friends desperately want to prolong the war is Syria,

Sorry but what .

What media outlets are claiming that

Atoms for Peace

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Peshmerga are very brave people, they've been taking the fight to ISIS since day one even though ISIS were better armed than them.

Peshmerga means "one who confronts death" or "one who faces death". "Pesh" means to stand in front of (loosely translated as to confront or face) while "merga" means death.[3][4]

.

Grayson

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's an odd trend, lionizing brutal dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi. Yes the Islamists who replaced them are a different kind if terrible but that doesn't justify it.

Saddam and Gaddafi don't deserve to go down in history as good people, it's an insult to their victims if nothing else.

Saddam killed about 5,000 people a year. Far more have since since he left.

I'm not saying he was a good guy, I mean killing 5000 of your own people every year is pretty fcuking bad. However it's been worse every year since the US invasion. Imagine how bad it must be to think it was better under Saddam.

getzls

A Little Pony wrote: »

Send the demons back to the devil.

You mean send them to meet their Prophet. That's where he came from and where he returned.

HensVassal

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why would they flee to Syria?

They are being given passage to Syria.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2016/10-2016/isis-granted-safe-passage-to-syria/

Now that might sound odd,,,,,but a well funded cabal sent to bolster the thugs in Aleppo or plant a flag in the east of Syria makes all the sense.

Fleawuss

A Little Pony wrote: »

Send the demons back to the devil.

There are no demons or devil. Only those who believe that gods demons and devils give them permission to do cruel and vicious things. IS are just deluded humans. They bleed when they are shot and bombed like everyone else. They need to be killed in huge numbers to break their grip on Syria/ Iraq.

Gatling

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