hypocritical meat eater...

conorhal · 20-10-2016 11:31AM

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Deer are horrible angry creatures that will jump through your window and literally kill you while you're driving. What did cows ever do to you?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cows-officially-the-most-deadly-large-animals-in-britain-a6727266.html

Cows are the most dangerous animal in the UK. They've murdered 74 people in the last 15 years, dogs have killed 8 people in the last 7.
If cows weren't so tasty we'd have culled the lot of them by now!

conorhal · 20-10-2016 11:34AM

AlanG wrote: »

There are very few creatures killed by humans that suffer a worse death than the way the average creature dies in the wild. Most creatures are eaten alive and devoured by acid, while most larger ones are ripped limb from limb while still alive.
David Attenborough edits out most kills because he feels people couldn't take the cruelty of nature nature.

I live in the city but have been totally honest with my kids as to where the food they eat has come from. They don't have much of a problem with it, that's just life. I want my meat killed quick and painlessly and i want the whole carcass used if possible so long as it is safe.

I often laugh at the horror and revultion that people express while watching that gentle tea time viewing 'Springwatch' on the BBC when they show yet another nest in which all the chicks have been eaten by their mother. Nature is a cruel bitch.

PARlance · 20-10-2016 11:39AM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

A lot of wild deer in Donegal. They can be very dangerous for driving.

There's a good chance one of the locals will have run you off the road before you even get to see a deer.

cursai · 20-10-2016 11:39AM

AlanG wrote: »

There are very few creatures killed by humans that suffer a worse death than the way the average creature dies in the wild. Most creatures are eaten alive and devoured by acid, while most larger ones are ripped limb from limb while still alive.
David Attenborough edits out most kills because he feels people couldn't take the cruelty of nature nature.

I live in the city but have been totally honest with my kids as to where the food they eat has come from. They don't have much of a problem with it, that's just life. I want my meat killed quick and painlessly and i want the whole carcass used if possible so long as it is safe.

Tell that to a vegan. Such a waste not joining in.

Dave_The_Sheep · 20-10-2016 11:41AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

Does this sort of thread hit you personally Dave :P

Don't worry. Come the apocalypse, we'll be eating mice as well, buddy!

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 11:45AM

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Deer are horrible angry creatures that will jump through your window and literally kill you while you're driving. What did cows ever do to you?

They burst through hedges, they don't look where they're going. It's not personal.

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 11:47AM

Tilikum wrote: »

I've honestly never met anyone that's eats fish yet calls themself a vegetarian.

Most people don't know what pescetarian means and it's easier to say ''vegetarian'' when refusing meat.

Shenshen · 20-10-2016 11:53AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Most people don't know what pescetarian means and it's easier to say ''vegetarian'' when refusing meat.

And then an actual vegetarian comes along an people are confused when they're told that no, vegetarians don't eat fish.

I've posted that before I think, but during our office day out followed by BBQ this summer, the 9 vegetarians in the company were offered salmon. No other (actually vegetarian) options available, so it was potato salad and bread for us.

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 11:54AM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

its no different than vegetarians who dont consider fish worthy of exclusion.

Fish are killed in the worst way of any living creature that we eat. They are suffocated to death on a massive scale.

Can you imagine the killing of cows or sheep by extracting the oxygen from the rooms they are in? It wouldnt be allowed.

Not that i would care. Id eat anything.

The reason some vegetarians eat fish is because fish don't have the same capacity to feel pain. It's a contentious issue with conflicting views but that is the reason for pescetarians and I don't think there's hypocrisy in that. It's far better to decline meat and eat fish than to eat meat, in my opinion, as someone who pities animals bred for slaughter.

Estrellita · 20-10-2016 11:56AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Never understood why people who eat fish call themselves vegetarians, I suspect they just like confusing the living daylights out of anybody in the catering business.

I believe they call themselves 'pescetarians' or 'pesco-vegetarians'. Everything has to have a label these days..

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 11:56AM

conorhal wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cows-officially-the-most-deadly-large-animals-in-britain-a6727266.html

Cows are the most dangerous animal in the UK. They've murdered 74 people in the last 15 years, dogs have killed 8 people in the last 7.
If cows weren't so tasty we'd have culled the lot of them by now!

More than likely those cows kicked while being mIlked or something. Accidents are common on farms.

OldNotWIse · 20-10-2016 11:57AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Only they would not be vegetarians.
Never understood why people who eat fish call themselves vegetarians, I suspect they just like confusing the living daylights out of anybody in the catering business.

And its annoying for actual vegetarians who keep being offered fish :P I went for dinner in a colleagues house a while ago and she knew I was vegetarian. She went to so much effort to make me a separate veggie meal...but it was fish! I felt terrible then as I didn't want to be rude, but she was operating under the assumption that veggies eat fish.

I don't eat meat because the thought of eating an animal just doesn't sit with me. I will be the first to put my hand up though and say I like the taste of meat, and sometimes I do miss the odd fry up if I have a hangover. On the issue of being ok eating cows and not dogs, I can see why people would feel that way because it is simply the way they are brought up. It's not really their fault, but I suppose when we get to a stage where we can think for ourselves, then I suppose some of us can no longer justify the distinction. I remember a while ago there was uproar when a man drove over a mother duck and her ducklings with a lawnmower, shredding them. People were outraged - the same people who happily buy eggs and in doing so support an industry that throws millions of one day old male chicks into grinders because they are economically unviable.

Ush1 · 20-10-2016 11:57AM

Aldi do frozen venison imported from New Zealand. It's pre marinated and tastes fantastic.

Alun · 20-10-2016 12:00PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Aldi do frozen venison imported from New Zealand. It's pre marinated and tastes fantastic.

I think that's Lidl isn't it? Anyway, Aldi have fresh Irish venison at the moment but it isn't cheap.

ems_12 · 20-10-2016 12:01PM

Some guy just offered me 8 leg of venison for 50, do you reckon that's two deer?

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 12:01PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I remember a while ago there was uproar when a man drove over a mother duck and her ducklings with a lawnmower, shredding them. People were outraged - the same people who happily buy eggs and in doing so support an industry that throws millions of one day old male chicks into grinders because they are economically unviable.

I wonder how many of them would visit an abattoir and see where their dinner comes from. I've always wondered about people who could still eat meat after doing that!

Shenshen · 20-10-2016 12:47PM

Widdershins wrote: »

The reason some vegetarians eat fish is because fish don't have the same capacity to feel pain. It's a contentious issue with conflicting views but that is the reason for pescetarians and I don't think there's hypocrisy in that. It's far better to decline meat and eat fish than to eat meat, in my opinion, as someone who pities animals bred for slaughter.

I'm not sure - my husband is occasional pescetarian (as in, he might have fish an chips twice a year), his reasoning is that a fish just had a bad day when it's caught, but a pig or a chicken had a bad life.

That works for fish caught wild, but farmed fish like salmon, trout, etc.? I find every argument against what's wrong with meat farming applies to farmed fish as well.

And as for the wild fish, we've overfished our seas ferociously, driving more than one species to the point of extinction.

Those are my personal reasons why I will avoid fish as well as meat. As for the capacity to feel pain... they're vertebrates with a central nervous system. Why would people assume they feel pain less than we do?

Ush1 · 20-10-2016 12:53PM

Alun wrote: »

I think that's Lidl isn't it? Anyway, Aldi have fresh Irish venison at the moment but it isn't cheap.

Haven't had it in a while but it was defo Aldi at the time, I don't shop in Lidl. Hmm, must check out the fresh local stuff!

Summer wind · 20-10-2016 01:16PM

Years ago I was at a county fair. There was a pen with 6 deer and a lot of people were going over to have a look and take photos and were saying how lovely and cute the deer were. Right beside the pen with the live deer there was a van frying venison burgers. No way could I eat one.

Widdershins · 20-10-2016 01:52PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not sure - my husband is occasional pescetarian (as in, he might have fish an chips twice a year), his reasoning is that a fish just had a bad day when it's caught, but a pig or a chicken had a bad life.

That works for fish caught wild, but farmed fish like salmon, trout, etc.? I find every argument against what's wrong with meat farming applies to farmed fish as well.

And as for the wild fish, we've overfished our seas ferociously, driving more than one species to the point of extinction.

Those are my personal reasons why I will avoid fish as well as meat. As for the capacity to feel pain... they're vertebrates with a central nervous system. Why would people assume they feel pain less than we do?

The only fish I'd eat is fish I've caught myself. I think overfishing is something worth being aware of.

The pain in fish argument is still ongoing. I think it's more about their emotional reaction to pain than their ability to feel pain. I'm not sure what I think about it personally and I actually like fish in the way people like puppies. They're all 'nice' or at least interesting to me.
The bad day versus bad life point is an interesting one!

Macy0161 · 20-10-2016 03:13PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I wonder how many of them would visit an abattoir and see where their dinner comes from. I've always wondered about people who could still eat meat after doing that!

I have, and tbh most of the gruesome stuff is after the animal is dead. I was actually in one when I was a child (when standards were much less) and didn't put me off meat.

Certain meats I do have reservations about - Suckling Pig and Veal.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-10-2016 04:10PM

Deers are cute, cows not so much, although calves can be adorable.

hypocritical meat eater...

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