Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Arghus · 19-10-2016 02:32AM

The Brexit Strikes Back.

Brex' Wish.

BrokeBrex Mountain.

The Brexcorcist.

Brexit Returns.

A Clockwork Brexit.

The Unbearable Lightness of Brexit.

Grayson · 19-10-2016 02:50AM

Carry on Brexit.

JupiterKid · 19-10-2016 02:56AM

Brexit II: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into negotiations.

Arghus · 19-10-2016 03:10AM

There Will Be Brexit.

Cookie_Monster · 19-10-2016 04:11AM

catbear wrote: »

We actually trade more with the EU and also globally than we do with the UK.

regardless its still a huge market that cannot be ignored

catbear wrote: »

Anyway how
Brexit II, the Empire Strikes Back!

heh, that works way better than 'brexit harder'

Peregrinus · 19-10-2016 05:18AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

regardless its still a huge market that cannot be ignored

Absolutely nobody, on any side of the discussion, has suggested that we should ignore it.

If and to the extent that we are forced to prioritise either of the UK and the EU-27 over the other, we should obviously prioritise the market which is several times larger, with which we already do much more trade.

FrancieBrady · 19-10-2016 08:25AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Absolutely nobody, on any side of the discussion, has suggested that we should ignore it.

If and to the extent that we are forced to prioritise either of the UK and the EU-27 over the other, we should obviously prioritise the market which is several times larger, with which we already do much more trade.

They most likely are not going to need as much anyway. A lot of what we supply would be premium products.
I live in the heart of the Irish mushroom industry and they are in trouble already

Mr. CooL ICE · 19-10-2016 08:46AM

Brexit At Tiffanys

steddyeddy · 19-10-2016 10:55AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/18/brexit-to-blast-huge-hole-in-northern-irelands-fragile-finances

Looks like NI will lose 500 million a year from EU funding. 60% of its exports also go to the EU. I think a financial blackhole would be a good thing for Northern Irish politics. The UK subsidise NI to the tune of 20 billion a year. They have a massive black hole in their finances and yet Arlene Foster rejected the idea of an all Ireland forum which could have helped Northern Ireland. She rejected it based on hatred and not economics. This sort of politics needs to go or else NI is f%cked. It was f$cked before Brexit so hopefully now people will voted based on their economic well being.

FrancieBrady · 19-10-2016 10:58AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/18/brexit-to-blast-huge-hole-in-northern-irelands-fragile-finances

Looks like NI will lose 500 million a year from EU funding. 60% of its exports also go to the EU. I think a financial blackhole would be a good thing for Northern Irish politics. The UK subsidise NI to the tune of 20 billion a year. They have a massive black hole in their finances and yet Arlene Foster rejected the idea of an all Ireland forum which could have helped Northern Ireland. She rejected it based on hatred and not economics. This sort of politics needs to go or else NI is f%cked. It was f$cked before Brexit so hopefully now people will voted based on their economic well being.

It beggars belief that so called sensible people sat down around a table and devised policy that would take NI out of the EU.

osarusan · 19-10-2016 10:59AM

Last Brexit to Brooklyn.

alchemist33 · 19-10-2016 11:04AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Can you imagine what would happen that sense of grievance that caused them to vote OUT if Parliament rejected the referendum result? I certainly wouldn't want to be a foreigner in the UK if that happened.

_Kaiser_ · 19-10-2016 11:07AM

osarusan wrote: »

Last Brexit to Brooklyn.

Last Brexit to...

.. ruin?
.. profit??
.. FREEDOM!!

Nah, yours probably works better.. but mine are kinda valid too!

But seriously.. I'd say there are a lot of other member states watching how this all pans out in the end and if the UK DOES come through it ok (after the dust has settled) we'll very likely see Nedxit and maybe Grexit will be back on the cards too.

MeatTwoVeg · 19-10-2016 11:20AM

Brexit and Brexiterer

steddyeddy · 19-10-2016 11:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It beggars belief that so called sensible people sat down around a table and devised policy that would take NI out of the EU.

Arlene Foster is not sensible.

19-10-2016 11:22AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBi-KXc0CRk

Fred Swanson · 19-10-2016 11:29AM

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Harry Palmr · 19-10-2016 11:31AM

Brexit Wounds

BreXistenZ - the horror story of an alternative reality

osarusan · 19-10-2016 11:36AM

Great Brexpectations.

Fred Swanson · 19-10-2016 11:44AM

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The Rape of Lucretia · 19-10-2016 11:55AM

Folks, again, the focus on the financial aspect is missing the mark completely. Adding or subtracting billions for this or that is all beside the point - do you want to run your own country? Yes, maybe, quite likely even, UK would be better off in the EU ffinancially. But it has shown the courage of its convictions, been true to it's world view, of self, and not been swayed by pure economics, and chosen, commendably, to take back control and build a British society for British citizens. Most laudable in a world of cynical money above all, and screw culture, heritage, national pride, self respect, and democracy.

Enzokk · 19-10-2016 11:58AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I don't see how many people have changed their minds on Brexit. Yes it has gotten tough, but this will only be blamed even more on those pesky EU Immigrants by those that used to blame them the first time around. Nothing has changed that made people vote for Bexit, which is people using the NHS without paying into it or Polish people claiming benefits and having 6 kids.

If a election is called and all parties run on a manifesto to cancel the referendum vote I can only see UKIP actually growing as a result of this. I think Theresa May knows this and that is why she is not backing down on Brexit. I think she knows as well that as long as Jeremy Corbyn is Labour leader he will not run on going back to the EU. So the Tories could lose votes on where they position themselves with a new election.

catbear · 19-10-2016 12:01PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Folks, again, the focus on the financial aspect is missing the mark completely. Adding or subtracting billions for this or that is all beside the point - do you want to run your own country? Yes, maybe, quite likely even, UK would be better off in the EU ffinancially. But it has shown the courage of its convictions, been true to it's world view, of self, and not been swayed by pure economics, and chosen, commendably, to take back control and build a British society for British citizens. Most laudable in a world of cynical money above all, and screw culture, heritage, national pride, self respect, and democracy.

The man standing alone in the middle of a desert is sovereign.

FrancieBrady · 19-10-2016 12:06PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Folks, again, the focus on the financial aspect is missing the mark completely. Adding or subtracting billions for this or that is all beside the point - do you want to run your own country? Yes, maybe, quite likely even, UK would be better off in the EU ffinancially. But it has shown the courage of its convictions, been true to it's world view, of self, and not been swayed by pure economics, and chosen, commendably, to take back control and build a British society for British citizens. Most laudable in a world of cynical money above all, and screw culture, heritage, national pride, self respect, and democracy.

As said above, 75% of parliament want to remain. The current government and opposition wanted to remain. They did NOT talk about taking back control and iterate a 'world view' that you speak off. They did NOT choose to take back control and build a British society for British citizens.

What happened was a rump of xenophobes - added to a minority in British society that genuinely (and without racist or xenophobic motives)wanted to take back control, managed to narrowly win a referendum, that was badly fought by the governing party and opposition.

You can bring a bull**** hindsight to the referendum, but what you say is nonsense.

wes · 19-10-2016 01:13PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Folks, again, the focus on the financial aspect is missing the mark completely. Adding or subtracting billions for this or that is all beside the point - do you want to run your own country? Yes, maybe, quite likely even, UK would be better off in the EU ffinancially. But it has shown the courage of its convictions, been true to it's world view, of self, and not been swayed by pure economics, and chosen, commendably, to take back control and build a British society for British citizens. Most laudable in a world of cynical money above all, and screw culture, heritage, national pride, self respect, and democracy.

People were promised 350 million for the NHS.........

Fratton Fred · 19-10-2016 01:22PM

wes wrote: »

People were promised 350 million for the NHS.........

The people who made those promises should be forced to honour them out of their own pockets.

Fred Swanson · 19-10-2016 01:31PM

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A Little Pony · 19-10-2016 01:37PM

Don't know anyone who regrets the vote. But then I am from Upper Bann.

FrancieBrady · 19-10-2016 01:38PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The people who made those promises should be forced to honour them out of their own pockets.

Lies are told in elections all the time.

My ire would be directed at the idiots who couldn't effectively knock it on the head with the truth.

Peregrinus · 19-10-2016 02:10PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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To my regret, I disagree.

I don't know, but I suspect that a majority of British MPs would be Remainers, and on a free vote, with no referendum having been held, the Commons would vote to remain.

But here in the real world, there has been a referendum, and when there's a vote in Parliament it won't be a free vote; members of all parties will be whipped in. The Tories were elected on a manifesto commitment not only to hold a referendum but to respect the result, and they will be whipped to support whatever Brexit terms the Government proposes. Labour will vote the other way, because they're the opposition and that's what oppositions do, but they'll be at pains in doing so to say that they are not necessarily voting against Brexit as mandated by the people, just against the particular Brexit terms that the government is putting to Parliament. In other words, it'll be party politics as usual.

The point about demanding a parliamentary vote before giving notice under Art 50 is not to prevent Brexit; it's to give the parliamentary party more influence over the kind of Brexit that the Government aims to negotiate with the EU. The likely outcome would be a softer Brexit than might otherwise happen, not no Brexit.

Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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