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Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

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  • #92
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Middle Class Death Cult

    Fúck the poppy altogether.

    Middle class death cult is a kickass name for a kick ass band:cool:


  • #93
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Fúck the poppy altogether.

    Middle class death cult is a kickass name for a kick ass band:cool:
    Or a good new name for a reformed "Deathcab for Cutie".


  • #94
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,205 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Fúck the poppy altogether.

    Middle class death cult is a kickass name for a kick ass band:cool:

    Or an MC. #1%fuckemall. :cool:


  • #95
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    What business is it of yours how some-one chooses to remember or how they spend their money?

    What actual difference does make to your life?

    I don't understand how giving money to an organisation that cares for living ex-British servicemen is in any way commemorating the soldiers who died 100 years ago. It's a con job, perpetrated by the Royal British Legion. Commemorate those who died during World War I and remember your great-grandad all you like, but I don't see how donating money to living ex-members of the British Army is achieving that.

    I don't suppose it makes any "actual difference to my life" if Irish people choose to wear a poppy. However, I must admit that, as a Republican, it would make me feel quite annoyed that an Irish person who chose to wear a poppy would probably dismiss the idea of wearing an Easter lily, let alone attend a commemoration for those Irish volunteers who died in Easter week 1916.


  • #96
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    In seven years in Ireland I've seen seven huge threads on here bemoaning Irish people wearing the poppy, yet I've seen not one Irish person actually wearing the poppy in that time.

    The only times I've ever seen a poppy on display over here is the couple of years where I've had one and maybe a few British people passing through the airport. I've never seen them on sale here.

    I don't see any reason why an Irish person would wear a poppy. Fair play to them if they do but there's hardly an expectation of it.

    I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one.

    It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.


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  • #97
    shaunr68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭shaunr68


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.
    The people of Leuven, Dinant and Tamines would probably disagree with your analysis that the war was pointless.

    http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/brycereport.htm


  • #98
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one.

    It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.

    James McClean has every right not to be forced to wear an emblem that is wrapped up in the politics of his home. Calling him a knuckle dragger because you disagree is just stupid and disrespectful.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #99
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    I don't really mind the poppy wearing to be honest.

    However anyone wearing a blinged up version with glitter and jewels should be machine gunned on a Normandy beach as far as I'm concerned.


  • #100
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    In seven years in Ireland I've seen seven huge threads on here bemoaning Irish people wearing the poppy, yet I've seen not one Irish person actually wearing the poppy in that time.

    The only times I've ever seen a poppy on display over here is the couple of years where I've had one and maybe a few British people passing through the airport. I've never seen them on sale here.

    I don't see any reason why an Irish person would wear a poppy. Fair play to them if they do but there's hardly an expectation of it.

    I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one.

    It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.
    Knuckle draggers like Jon Snow, the English Channel 4 News presenter and journalist, who refuses to wear one on TV because he doesn't like the fact that it's becoming almost compulsory to wear one which, as he argues, undermines the supposed freedom that the people being commemorated are supposed to have fought for.
    If veterans of the British army supposedly fought for freedom, then why does exercising that freedom by not wearing a poppy make someone a knuckle dragger?


  • #101
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Double post, soz


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  • #102
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    I doubt many members of the British public give a single solitary **** who wears a poppy on TV and who doesn't.

    Media organisations seem to have a competition between themselves for who can show the most respect for the longest time. Whatever. There's very little pressure put on individuals to wear the poppy. You wear one if you want, you donate to the RBL if you want, no one cares, no one notices and on Boards a thread hits several thousand replies.


  • #103
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    shaunr68 wrote: »
    The people of Leuven, Dinant and Tamines would probably disagree with your analysis that the war was pointless.

    http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/brycereport.htm

    At the time of world war 1 all the great european powers had vast colonial realms and not a single one of them could use this period of time to stake a claim for moral superiority on their treatment of people around the world.

    The English did not participate in world war one out of some sense of obligation to the human rights of people in Belgium or anywhere else around the world.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #104
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    At the time of world war 1 all the great european powers had vast colonial realms and not a single one of them could use this period of time to stake a claim for moral superiority on their treatment of people around the world.

    The English did not participate in world war one out of some sense of obligation to the human rights of people in Belgium or anywhere else around the world.

    The Great War was completely pointless. That sense of a pointlessness that should never be repeated has been a fundamental part of every single Armistice Day event I've ever attended.


  • #105
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    James McClean has every right not to be forced to wear an emblem that is wrapped up in the politics of his home. Calling him a knuckle dragger because you disagree is just stupid and disrespectful.

    He draws attention to the fact he doesn't wear it, I've seen plenty of Irish people on UK TV that don't wear it but don't feel the need to have a rant, oh and he a is a knuckle dragger.


  • #106
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    He draws attention to the fact he doesn't wear it, I've seen plenty of Irish people on UK TV that don't wear it but don't feel the need to have a rant, oh and he a is a knuckle dragger.

    James choose not to wear a shirt emblazoned with the poppy and the british media brought attention to it.
    When asked about it he has offered his opinion.

    You are offering comment and passing judgement on something you do not have all the facts about. So it seems to me you meet the definition of a knuckle dragger.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #107
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one.

    It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.
    James McLean never asked for a soapbox about poppies but they did try to force it on him.


    Unfortunatly it is people who choose to try and force this upon him and abuse him with name calling in a so called free democracy who are the real knuckledraggers.


    Who in their right mind would contribute to a campaign for ex soldiers who shot his uncle in the street for no reason.


  • #108
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    Knuckle draggers like Jon Snow, the English Channel 4 News presenter and journalist, who refuses to wear one on TV because he doesn't like the fact that it's becoming almost compulsory to wear one which, as he argues, undermines the supposed freedom that the people being commemorated are supposed to have fought for.
    If veterans of the British army supposedly fought for freedom, then why does exercising that freedom by not wearing a poppy make someone a knuckle dragger?

    actually, what he said is this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/newsreader-jon-snow-rails-against-poppy-fascism-7263001.html
    The presenter, who made the comments on a Channel 4 blogsite, said: "I am begged to wear an Aids Ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't. And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.

    "Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'he damned well must wear a poppy!' Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."

    fair play to him, its his choice and it should be respected (which generally it is)


  • #109
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    actually, what he said is this

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/newsreader-jon-snow-rails-against-poppy-fascism-7263001.html



    fair play to him, its his choice and it should be respected (which generally it is)
    And that freedom of choice should be respected and afforded to James McClean .


  • #110
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    He draws attention to the fact he doesn't wear it, I've seen plenty of Irish people on UK TV that don't wear it but don't feel the need to have a rant, oh and he a is a knuckle dragger.

    Here's the words of this "knuckle dragger"...
    Dear Mr Whelan

    I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton.

    I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those.

    I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one.

    I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this.

    But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me.

    For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth.

    Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

    It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people.

    I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent.

    I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in.

    I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons.

    As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation.

    Yours sincerely,

    James McClean

    Yet he now gets booed in pretty much every game he plays in, Poppy season or not because he excercised his right not to be bullied into wearing something that he has strong feelings against.

    it's funny, because a lot of those who crucify people about not wearing the poppy are the same type of people who do complain about the muslim woman choosing to wear a Hijab. Essentially these people are low life racists who demand everyone be the same as them or else they'll try to make their lives miserable.

    For me, I respect anyone's right to wear a poppy, in Ireland, in Britain, where ever. I have nothing but disdain though for those who don't respect other people's rights not to wear it.


  • #111
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Remembering those who died is worthy enough, but the money you donate to the poppy appeal goes to ex-servicemen from much more recent events. If anyone wants to remember the fallen from World War I, why not organise a commemoration each year along the same lines as the Republican Easter commemorations?

    I don't have a problem with anyone commemorating those who died, but I do have a problem with giving money to British ex-servicemen.

    There's a simple solution: make your own poppy badge! I'm sure there's guides on how to do that on the Internet.


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  • #112
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    There's a simple solution: make your own poppy badge! I'm sure there's guides on how to do that on the Internet.

    I'm going to run straight home and do that right now :D


  • #113
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Jayop wrote: »
    Yet he now gets booed in pretty much every game he plays in, Poppy season or not because he excercised his right not to be bullied into wearing something that he has strong feelings against.

    That's awful, well it would be if it were true of course.


  • #114
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That's awful, well it would be if it were true of course.

    Pretty much every one of their games I see, away especially he gets booed.


  • #115
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Jayop wrote: »
    Pretty much every one of their games I see, away especially he gets booed.

    he might get booed, but it is for a number of reasons. deliberately turning his back on the English flag didn't exactly do him any favours and any footballer who issues politically motivated tweets is never going to endear himself to football crowds.

    but he knows that, so i would suggest he just likes the attention.


  • #116
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Contributing to the poppy appeal raises money to look after British army ex-servicemen. Why any Irish person feels that this is a worthwhile cause baffles me, even if their "Uncle Frank" was a British soldier.

    Many of these British soldiers may have received their injuries in the north, at the same time as they and their comrades-in-arms were killing and attacking Irish civilians. Forgive me if I feel less than concerned for their welfare now.

    For over 20 years I called to houses and pubs with Easter lilies and almost always got a great response. It seems that most Irish people are prepared to honour their own dead, without having to worry about the upkeep of ex-servicemen of another country's armed forces.

    I've seldom seen anyone in Cork wearing a poppy in any case, not that I'd be overly concerned if they did.

    Considering a lot of Cork, especially the City City was burned down by ex WW1 vets during the Tan War, it would be odd to see many poppies floating around the Great People's Republic


  • #117
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?

    Well, whether you intended to or not, I would sincerely advise you not to wear one. Since to know what might happen, you only have yourself to blame if said knuckledragger decided to eloquently communicate his views about the whole affair to you


  • #118
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Jayop wrote: »
    Pretty much every one of their games I see, away especially he gets booed.

    he might get booed, but it is for a number of reasons. deliberately turning his back on the English flag didn't exactly do him any favours and any footballer who issues politically motivated tweets is never going to endear himself to football crowds.

    but he knows that, so i would suggest he just likes the attention.


    James McLean definitely is not shy to discuss his political feelings these days. However the death threats he received following his first refusal in 2012 to wear the poppy on a football shirt was well before he turned his back on a flag in 2015.

    The booing and anti IRA sings being sung at him begun then not in 2015 after he turned his back on a flag.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #119
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    James McLean definitely is not shy to discuss his political feelings these days. However the death threats he received following his first refusal in 2012 to wear the poppy on a football shirt was well before he turned his back on a flag in 2015.

    The booing and anti IRA sings being sung at him begun then not in 2015 after he turned his back on a flag.

    I believe the death threats started around the time he chose to play for RoI and decided to taunt NI fans.


  • #120
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Fratton Fred wrote: »

    I believe the death threats started around the time he chose to play for RoI and decided to taunt NI fans.

    Oh right sure that's a much more reasonable reason for getting death threats.
    There was me thinking being sent pictures of bullets for not wearing a poppy by someone claiming to be a British service man was unreasonable but sure if he declared for Ireland then that's OK.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • #121
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Fairly sad justification for calling someone a knuckle dragger, and pretty much all the while excusing those who do boo him and much worse.


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