Iwasfrozen wrote: » Middle Class Death Cult
sbsquarepants wrote: » Fúck the poppy altogether. Middle class death cult is a kickass name for a kick ass band:cool:
AudreyHepburn wrote: » What business is it of yours how some-one chooses to remember or how they spend their money? What actual difference does make to your life?
Beefy78 wrote: » In seven years in Ireland I've seen seven huge threads on here bemoaning Irish people wearing the poppy, yet I've seen not one Irish person actually wearing the poppy in that time. The only times I've ever seen a poppy on display over here is the couple of years where I've had one and maybe a few British people passing through the airport. I've never seen them on sale here. I don't see any reason why an Irish person would wear a poppy. Fair play to them if they do but there's hardly an expectation of it.
ClovenHoof wrote: » celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.
swimming in a sea wrote: » I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one. It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.
swimming in a sea wrote: » Beefy78 wrote: » In seven years in Ireland I've seen seven huge threads on here bemoaning Irish people wearing the poppy, yet I've seen not one Irish person actually wearing the poppy in that time. The only times I've ever seen a poppy on display over here is the couple of years where I've had one and maybe a few British people passing through the airport. I've never seen them on sale here. I don't see any reason why an Irish person would wear a poppy. Fair play to them if they do but there's hardly an expectation of it. I think Britain has the bigger problem with the poppy, in the last few years a poppy is forced on every person with a hint of a public persona. Unfortunately a consequence is it gives a soapbox for knuckle draggers like the Irish footballer who makes a big point of not wearing one. It will be interesting to see what happens this year after the brexit vote.
shaunr68 wrote: » The people of Leuven, Dinant and Tamines would probably disagree with your analysis that the war was pointless.http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/brycereport.htm
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » At the time of world war 1 all the great european powers had vast colonial realms and not a single one of them could use this period of time to stake a claim for moral superiority on their treatment of people around the world. The English did not participate in world war one out of some sense of obligation to the human rights of people in Belgium or anywhere else around the world.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » James McClean has every right not to be forced to wear an emblem that is wrapped up in the politics of his home. Calling him a knuckle dragger because you disagree is just stupid and disrespectful.
swimming in a sea wrote: » He draws attention to the fact he doesn't wear it, I've seen plenty of Irish people on UK TV that don't wear it but don't feel the need to have a rant, oh and he a is a knuckle dragger.
sondagefaux wrote: » Knuckle draggers like Jon Snow, the English Channel 4 News presenter and journalist, who refuses to wear one on TV because he doesn't like the fact that it's becoming almost compulsory to wear one which, as he argues, undermines the supposed freedom that the people being commemorated are supposed to have fought for. If veterans of the British army supposedly fought for freedom, then why does exercising that freedom by not wearing a poppy make someone a knuckle dragger?
The presenter, who made the comments on a Channel 4 blogsite, said: "I am begged to wear an Aids Ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't. And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy. "Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'he damned well must wear a poppy!' Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."
Fratton Fred wrote: » actually, what he said is thishttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/newsreader-jon-snow-rails-against-poppy-fascism-7263001.html fair play to him, its his choice and it should be respected (which generally it is)
Dear Mr Whelan I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton. I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those. I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one. I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this. But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me. For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth. Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII. It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people. I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent. I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in. I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons. As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation. Yours sincerely, James McClean
Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: » Remembering those who died is worthy enough, but the money you donate to the poppy appeal goes to ex-servicemen from much more recent events. If anyone wants to remember the fallen from World War I, why not organise a commemoration each year along the same lines as the Republican Easter commemorations? I don't have a problem with anyone commemorating those who died, but I do have a problem with giving money to British ex-servicemen.
PopePalpatine wrote: » There's a simple solution: make your own poppy badge! I'm sure there's guides on how to do that on the Internet.
Jayop wrote: » Yet he now gets booed in pretty much every game he plays in, Poppy season or not because he excercised his right not to be bullied into wearing something that he has strong feelings against.
Fratton Fred wrote: » That's awful, well it would be if it were true of course.
Jayop wrote: » Pretty much every one of their games I see, away especially he gets booed.
Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: » Contributing to the poppy appeal raises money to look after British army ex-servicemen. Why any Irish person feels that this is a worthwhile cause baffles me, even if their "Uncle Frank" was a British soldier. Many of these British soldiers may have received their injuries in the north, at the same time as they and their comrades-in-arms were killing and attacking Irish civilians. Forgive me if I feel less than concerned for their welfare now. For over 20 years I called to houses and pubs with Easter lilies and almost always got a great response. It seems that most Irish people are prepared to honour their own dead, without having to worry about the upkeep of ex-servicemen of another country's armed forces. I've seldom seen anyone in Cork wearing a poppy in any case, not that I'd be overly concerned if they did.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?
Fratton Fred wrote: » Jayop wrote: » Pretty much every one of their games I see, away especially he gets booed. he might get booed, but it is for a number of reasons. deliberately turning his back on the English flag didn't exactly do him any favours and any footballer who issues politically motivated tweets is never going to endear himself to football crowds. but he knows that, so i would suggest he just likes the attention.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » James McLean definitely is not shy to discuss his political feelings these days. However the death threats he received following his first refusal in 2012 to wear the poppy on a football shirt was well before he turned his back on a flag in 2015. The booing and anti IRA sings being sung at him begun then not in 2015 after he turned his back on a flag.
Fratton Fred wrote: » I believe the death threats started around the time he chose to play for RoI and decided to taunt NI fans.
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