Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

ClovenHoof

I refused to wear a poppy in remembrance of the 'Great' War. Not because I have republican or shinner sympathies, but because when you really get down to it, it celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.

I loathed these middle class self-consciousness Irish types going on about how they will wear a poppy as "Uncle Frank ran into a German Machine gun" for the same royal family which both armies were fighting for. Go back far enough in our history and we all have an Uncle Frank who was cut down in battle somewhere at sometime. No poppy or lily for them?

Then you get the other excuses in that a kind of class-based territorial pissing is involved. All the Sinn Fein knackers were a Lilly, so in order for Sentanta NiCasbastini to show he is middle class, he will wear a poppy.

You know what. It's all bollox and all you do is show the world that you are a cnut. If you had a brain you would realize it just all feeds into the same royal families who caused it. Rather trying to look inclusive, how about not wearing it and stop celebrating and glorifying mass murder so the same blue bloods can keep their castles and titles.

osarusan

Are poppy seeds ok though?

orubiru

"all you do is show the world that you are a cnut"

That's a bit harsh. I thought the whole poppy thing was about remembrance and raising money for charity?

I'm not so sure that people are wearing the poppy to "celebrate" the war.

Am I wrong here?

King George VI

I'll wear it because it looks nice.

ClovenHoof

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I refused to wear a poppy in remembrance of the 'Great' War. Not because I have republican or shinner sympathies, but because when you really get down to it, it celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.

I find these middle class self-consciousness Irish types going on about how they will wear a poppy as "Uncle Frank ran into a German Machine gun" for the same royal family which both armies were fighting for. Go back far enough in our history and we all have an Uncle Frank who was cut down in battle somewhere at sometime. No poppy or lily for them?

Then you get the other excuses in that a kind of class-based territorial pissing is involved. All the Sinn Fein knackers were a Lilly, so in order for Sentanta NiCasbastini to show he is middle class, he will wear a poppy.

You know what. It's all bollox and all you do is show the world that you are a cnut. If you had a brain you would realize it just all feeds into the same royal families who caused it. Rather trying to look inclusive, how about not wearing it and stop celebrating and glorifying mass murder so the same blue bloods can keep their castles and titles.

The inside of you head must be an interesting place!! at least you are not the only boards member with an 'interesting' take on issues.

ohnonotgmail

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

Skylinehead

Oh god this already

9or10

Yeah Happy Christmas Skylinehead

Outlaw Pete

Ich mag Kuchen.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

It seems the poppy pays for surviving ex servicemen for all britains wars.

Each year, in early November Legion volunteers throughout the Republic of Ireland collect for the Irish Poppy Appeal

The money collected at this time and from other fundraising activities throughout the year, goes to providing help and support to serving and ex-Service men and women and their dependants.

http://counties.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/ireland/poppy-appeal/

aaronjumper

I was expecting an article about a sinister but flamboyant cult.
I'm not sure why.

HensVassal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

Why not say they were "killed" (most gruesomely) instead of "they fell".

Sugarcoating unpleasant things is a dangeroues enterprise.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

It seems the poppy pays for surviving ex servicemen for all britains wars.



http://counties.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/ireland/poppy-appeal/

I never mentioned where the money goes. considering there are no great war veterans still around you can hardly expect the money to go to them.

ohnonotgmail

HensVassal wrote: »

Why not say they were "killed" (most gruesomely) instead of "they fell".

Sugarcoating unpleasant things is a dangeroues enterprise.

how i choose to phrase things is none of your concern.

NiallBoo

orubiru wrote: »

I thought the whole poppy thing was about remembrance and raising money for charity?

It's helping the governments shirk their responsibilities though - letting them get away with not taking care of people who's lives they helped destroy because they needed meat for the grinder.

When you make it normal for charities to carry the burden, then the government can ignore it completely.

Maximus Alexander

I've a family tree going back a good few generations and there are no Franks on it. What do I do?

razorblunt

Can someone ask James Maclean for his take on this, he normally keeps quiet on the matter.

Mr. CooL ICE

osarusan wrote: »

Are poppy seeds ok though?

I found some recipes that include poppy seeds. Here is a South Indian chicken curry while here is a vodka, sultana and poppy seed cheesecake.

I'm gonna make loads of this stuff and will gorge in it. Take that, James McClean.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I never mentioned where the money goes. considering there are no great war veterans still around you can hardly expect the money to go to them.

You said the purpose of the poppy was...

I would justifiably argue that the purpose of the poppy is to assist ex british servicemen, not remembrance of WW1.

You may wear it as some form of remembrance but its purpose is quite clear from the site I linked.

NiallBoo

osarusan wrote: »

Are poppy seeds ok though?

Ah here, use your loaf...

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You said the purpose of the poppy was...

I would justifiably argue that the purpose of the poppy is to assist ex british servicemen, not remembrance of WW1.

You may wear it as some form of remembrance but its purpose is quite clear from the site I linked.

can it not do both? What is your problem with the poppy?

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can it not do both? What is your problem with the poppy?

I have at no point expressed a problem with the poppy, I am merely outlining its purpose.
What is your problem with the truth?

Moo Moo Land

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.

Moo Moo Land

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I've a family tree going back a good few generations and there are no Franks on it. What do I do?

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

9or10

Me neither Moo Moo.

Do we do anything for members of the Defence Forces injured or killed on duty, or is it all down to government?

ohnonotgmail

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.

they are definitely worn here.

Maximus Alexander

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I have at no point expressed a problem with the poppy, I am merely outlining its purpose.
What is your problem with the truth?

no, its purpose is to remember the fallen. as a side effect some money is raised to help ex-servicemen.

Herb Powell

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

Moo Moo Land

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

Therapy. I hope you didn't marry one of the Maloney cousins.

Mr. CooL ICE

Herb Powell wrote: »

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

When is your first album up for preorder? Cos I'm all over this

RobertKK

Never saw anyone where I live wear a poppy, and quite frankly, I have better things to concern me if they did.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, its purpose is to remember the fallen. as a side effect some money is raised to help ex-servicemen.

The poppy appeal is a fund raising exercise for the registered charity the royal british legion.
Who

The Royal British Legion provides lifelong support for the Armed Forces community - serving men and women, veterans, and their families

Here is an older article from the uk independent about where the money goes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-big-question-why-are-we-asked-to-wear-a-poppy-and-is-its-significance-being-lost-1807573.html
Only a tiny fraction goes towards remembrance. It would be disingenuous to try to claim the purpose of the poppy is remembrance of WW1 servicemen.

The purpose of the org and this appeal is to assist surviving British servicemen of all british military conflicts such as Northern Ireland or the recent Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The poppy appeal is a fund raising exercise for the registered charity the royal british legion.
Who


Here is an older article from the uk independent about where the money goes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-big-question-why-are-we-asked-to-wear-a-poppy-and-is-its-significance-being-lost-1807573.html
Only a tiny fraction goes towards remembrance. It would be disingenuous to try to claim the purpose of the poppy is remembrance of WW1 servicemen.

The purpose of the org and this appeal is to assist surviving British servicemen of all british military conflicts such as Northern Ireland or the recent Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns.

i dont care where the money goes. people wear them to remember the fallen.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont care where the money goes. people wear them to remember the fallen.

tut tut. Don't go speaking for everyone now, until you have asked them all.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

tut tut. Don't go speaking for everyone now, until you have asked them all.

you really are determined to get a rise out of me, aren't you?

Lollipops23

While living and working in Toronto I did have to explain to the same man several times the reason why I wouldn't be partaking in the Poppy Day thing.
He seemed to find it offensive, despite the fact that he knew I wasn't British or Canadian.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Contributing to the poppy appeal raises money to look after British army ex-servicemen. Why any Irish person feels that this is a worthwhile cause baffles me, even if their "Uncle Frank" was a British soldier.

Many of these British soldiers may have received their injuries in the north, at the same time as they and their comrades-in-arms were killing and attacking Irish civilians. Forgive me if I feel less than concerned for their welfare now.

For over 20 years I called to houses and pubs with Easter lilies and almost always got a great response. It seems that most Irish people are prepared to honour their own dead, without having to worry about the upkeep of ex-servicemen of another country's armed forces.

I've seldom seen anyone in Cork wearing a poppy in any case, not that I'd be overly concerned if they did.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you really are determined to get a rise out of me, aren't you?

You have an opinion. You are determined to express your opinion as fact. I disagree with your opinion. That is all there is to it.

mikhail

RobertKK wrote: »

Never saw anyone where I live wear a poppy, and quite frankly, I have better things to concern me if they did.

Damned right. I think the kind of asshole who gives out about someone here wearing the poppy is pretty much the same kind of asshole as the kind of asshole who gives out about someone not wearing the poppy in the UK. Why can't people just mind their own business?

MagicIRL

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Sentanta NiCasbastini

Brilliant. I hope this makes the "Most Anticipated Baby Names of 2017" list.

RobbieTheRobber

mikhail wrote: »

Damned right. I think the kind of asshole who gives out about someone here wearing the poppy is pretty much the same kind of asshole as the kind of asshole who gives out about someone not wearing the poppy in the UK. Why can't people just mind their own business?

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

RobertKK

I would say very few would have seen an Irish person wearing a poppy.

I was chatting to a British person a few years ago and the poppy came up, he was complaining about people complaining over there about British people who do not want to wear the poppy.
Poppy fascists is what he called them.

The only plant I have seen any Irish person wearing has been the shamrock, and Irish people don't care if a fellow Irish person wears it or not.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?

Are you asking if the wearing of particular clothing in a particular area can cause of offense to others?

If so the answer would be yes and I can provide multiple examples of such from around the world.

That does not mean I am endorsing that behavior, but I am merely answering your question with the correct answer as I see it.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are you asking if the wearing of particular clothing in a particular area can cause of offense to others?

If so the answer would be yes and I can provide multiple examples of such from around the world.

That does not mean I am endorsing that behavior, but I am merely answering your question with the correct answer as I see it.

but you wouldn't condemn it either, am I right?

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

but you wouldn't condemn it either, am I right?

Well that really depends on the situation.
If you are really after my opinion then you can pm me scenarios and I will give you my opinion on each case. I dont think this thread is really the place.


In the previous scenario you provided I would not offer any surprise if an individual wearing a rangers jersey was given some verbal abuse regarding their choice of football team. However if this abuse became anything more threatening than mild mocking I would condemn the behavior as wrong.

jimgoose

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

Moo Moo Land

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

This post is utter nonsense to be fair. You should wear a dunce's hat for the rest of this thread life.

RobbieTheRobber

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

This post is utter nonsense to be fair. You should wear a dunces hat for the rest of this thread life.

In what way?

Moo Moo Land

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

In what way?

In every way, read it back to yourself.