Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

ClovenHoof

I refused to wear a poppy in remembrance of the 'Great' War. Not because I have republican or shinner sympathies, but because when you really get down to it, it celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.

I loathed these middle class self-consciousness Irish types going on about how they will wear a poppy as "Uncle Frank ran into a German Machine gun" for the same royal family which both armies were fighting for. Go back far enough in our history and we all have an Uncle Frank who was cut down in battle somewhere at sometime. No poppy or lily for them?

Then you get the other excuses in that a kind of class-based territorial pissing is involved. All the Sinn Fein knackers were a Lilly, so in order for Sentanta NiCasbastini to show he is middle class, he will wear a poppy.

You know what. It's all bollox and all you do is show the world that you are a cnut. If you had a brain you would realize it just all feeds into the same royal families who caused it. Rather trying to look inclusive, how about not wearing it and stop celebrating and glorifying mass murder so the same blue bloods can keep their castles and titles.

osarusan

Are poppy seeds ok though?

orubiru

"all you do is show the world that you are a cnut"

That's a bit harsh. I thought the whole poppy thing was about remembrance and raising money for charity?

I'm not so sure that people are wearing the poppy to "celebrate" the war.

Am I wrong here?

King George VI

I'll wear it because it looks nice.

ClovenHoof

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I refused to wear a poppy in remembrance of the 'Great' War. Not because I have republican or shinner sympathies, but because when you really get down to it, it celebrates pointless mass slaughter by the European Aristocrats of millions of men, and it achieved nothing except set up the chess pieces for world war two.

I find these middle class self-consciousness Irish types going on about how they will wear a poppy as "Uncle Frank ran into a German Machine gun" for the same royal family which both armies were fighting for. Go back far enough in our history and we all have an Uncle Frank who was cut down in battle somewhere at sometime. No poppy or lily for them?

Then you get the other excuses in that a kind of class-based territorial pissing is involved. All the Sinn Fein knackers were a Lilly, so in order for Sentanta NiCasbastini to show he is middle class, he will wear a poppy.

You know what. It's all bollox and all you do is show the world that you are a cnut. If you had a brain you would realize it just all feeds into the same royal families who caused it. Rather trying to look inclusive, how about not wearing it and stop celebrating and glorifying mass murder so the same blue bloods can keep their castles and titles.

The inside of you head must be an interesting place!! at least you are not the only boards member with an 'interesting' take on issues.

ohnonotgmail

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

Skylinehead

Oh god this already

9or10

Yeah Happy Christmas Skylinehead

Outlaw Pete

Ich mag Kuchen.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

It seems the poppy pays for surviving ex servicemen for all britains wars.

Each year, in early November Legion volunteers throughout the Republic of Ireland collect for the Irish Poppy Appeal

The money collected at this time and from other fundraising activities throughout the year, goes to providing help and support to serving and ex-Service men and women and their dependants.

http://counties.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/ireland/poppy-appeal/

aaronjumper

I was expecting an article about a sinister but flamboyant cult.
I'm not sure why.

HensVassal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

Why not say they were "killed" (most gruesomely) instead of "they fell".

Sugarcoating unpleasant things is a dangeroues enterprise.

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

It seems the poppy pays for surviving ex servicemen for all britains wars.



http://counties.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/ireland/poppy-appeal/

I never mentioned where the money goes. considering there are no great war veterans still around you can hardly expect the money to go to them.

ohnonotgmail

HensVassal wrote: »

Why not say they were "killed" (most gruesomely) instead of "they fell".

Sugarcoating unpleasant things is a dangeroues enterprise.

how i choose to phrase things is none of your concern.

NiallBoo

orubiru wrote: »

I thought the whole poppy thing was about remembrance and raising money for charity?

It's helping the governments shirk their responsibilities though - letting them get away with not taking care of people who's lives they helped destroy because they needed meat for the grinder.

When you make it normal for charities to carry the burden, then the government can ignore it completely.

Maximus Alexander

I've a family tree going back a good few generations and there are no Franks on it. What do I do?

razorblunt

Can someone ask James Maclean for his take on this, he normally keeps quiet on the matter.

Mr. CooL ICE

osarusan wrote: »

Are poppy seeds ok though?

I found some recipes that include poppy seeds. Here is a South Indian chicken curry while here is a vodka, sultana and poppy seed cheesecake.

I'm gonna make loads of this stuff and will gorge in it. Take that, James McClean.

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I never mentioned where the money goes. considering there are no great war veterans still around you can hardly expect the money to go to them.

You said the purpose of the poppy was...

I would justifiably argue that the purpose of the poppy is to assist ex british servicemen, not remembrance of WW1.

You may wear it as some form of remembrance but its purpose is quite clear from the site I linked.

NiallBoo

osarusan wrote: »

Are poppy seeds ok though?

Ah here, use your loaf...

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You said the purpose of the poppy was...

I would justifiably argue that the purpose of the poppy is to assist ex british servicemen, not remembrance of WW1.

You may wear it as some form of remembrance but its purpose is quite clear from the site I linked.

can it not do both? What is your problem with the poppy?

RobbieTheRobber

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can it not do both? What is your problem with the poppy?

I have at no point expressed a problem with the poppy, I am merely outlining its purpose.
What is your problem with the truth?

Moo Moo Land

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.

Moo Moo Land

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I've a family tree going back a good few generations and there are no Franks on it. What do I do?

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

9or10

Me neither Moo Moo.

Do we do anything for members of the Defence Forces injured or killed on duty, or is it all down to government?

ohnonotgmail

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.

they are definitely worn here.

Maximus Alexander

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

ohnonotgmail

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I have at no point expressed a problem with the poppy, I am merely outlining its purpose.
What is your problem with the truth?

no, its purpose is to remember the fallen. as a side effect some money is raised to help ex-servicemen.

Herb Powell

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

Moo Moo Land

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

Therapy. I hope you didn't marry one of the Maloney cousins.

Mr. CooL ICE

Herb Powell wrote: »

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

When is your first album up for preorder? Cos I'm all over this