2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Christy42 · 10-10-2016 07:27PM

oik wrote: »

I'm not trying to convince anyone on here to change their mind on guns.

But the gun tax will disproportionately affect poor blacks who probably need guns for self-defence more than anyone.

How often do black people require guns in self defense? How many cases of this are happening on a yearly basis?

This statement makes 0 sense. More guns in poor communities is not a good answer for gun crime. What sort of logic is this?

vetinari · 10-10-2016 07:34PM

Seriously, people are trying to argue that a gun tax is a massive impact on the middle class??
I think I've heard it all now.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 07:37PM

vetinari wrote: »

Seriously, people are trying to argue that a gun tax is a massive impact on the middle class??
I think I've heard it all now.

Who said it was a massive impact on the middle class? Inquiring minds want to know.

All I was pointing out was Hillary is lying her way into office, yet again, and this time about not taxing the middle class.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 07:39PM

Christy42 wrote: »

You know plenty of other countries survive and tend to have less issues with wealth distribution with high taxes right?

Ah yes, the solutions to all our problems in the US is to become Greece. You know, Hillary might concur.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 07:40PM

Nice to see people seeing through Donald's schtick.

Anyone who feels they have that much to prove to the world has a serious chip on their shoulder.

Inside he's just a small boy with no self esteem.

Small hands probably

Billy86 · 10-10-2016 07:42PM

There are going to be some very, very angry people when Bill's indiscretions fail to keep a Clinton out of the White House again.

Angry, and sad.

KingBrian2 · 10-10-2016 07:46PM

gosplan wrote: »

Nice to see people seeing through Donald's schtick.

Anyone who feels they have that much to prove to the world has a serious chip on their shoulder.

Inside he's just a small boy with no self esteem.

Small hands probably

Why with the personal attacks? Trump is attacked way more than Hillary. It is unreal. Nobody brings up why she never dumped Clinton after his sexual relations. Not worth going after IMO yet they continue to pursue this line against Trump that he is some sort of sexual beast. This is ugly ugly stuff. Bill was called slick willy for Christ sake. Where do suppose he got that nickname from? Hardly from sitting at home with his wife and a good book.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 07:49PM

Billy86 wrote: »

There are going to be some very, very angry people when Bill's indiscretions fail to keep a Clinton out of the White House again.

Angry, and sad.

I fail to see how one side can sling mud at the other for this??

The only conclusion I can come to is that there's a serious lack of independent thought.

I mean how can you overlook extra marital affairs and charges of rape on one side but try and use them as a millstone on the other?

More than anything it points to the rank hypocrisy evident throughout this election.

Pro Hoc Vice · 10-10-2016 07:50PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Why with the personal attacks? Trump is attacked way more than Hillary. It is unreal. Nobody brings up why she never dumped Clinton after his sexual relations. Not worth going after IMO yet they continue to pursue this line against Trump that he is some sort of sexual beast. This is ugly ugly stuff. Bill was called slick willy for Christ sake. Where do suppose he got that nickname from? Hardly from sitting at home with his wife and a good book.

So a women takes her vow seriously and you knock her.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 07:53PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Why with the personal attacks? Trump is attacked way more than Hillary. It is unreal. Nobody brings up why she never dumped Clinton after his sexual relations. Not worth going after IMO yet they continue to pursue this line against Trump that he is some sort of sexual beast. This is ugly ugly stuff. Bill was called slick willy for Christ sake. Where do suppose he got that nickname from? Hardly from sitting at home with his wife and a good book.

He has a serious chip on his shoulder. Anyone that needs to see themselves beside young women and name things after themselves clearly has a problem with how people perceive them.

He's not comfortable, deep down he's insecure.

I'm not trying to be insulting, just an observation.

The small hands bit was a joke.

For me though the biggest joke of the whole campaign is trumps approach to the truth.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 07:55PM

gosplan wrote: »

I fail to see how one side can sling mud at the other for this??

The only conclusion I can come to is that there's a serious lack of independent thought.

I mean how can you overlook extra marital affairs and charges of rape on one side but try and use them as a millstone on the other?

More than anything it points to the rank hypocrisy evident throughout this election.

I'd actually like to ask this as an open question to anyone using the fact that trump is on rape charges or Bill clintons past.

Please explain the difference.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 07:55PM

gosplan wrote: »

I fail to see how one side can sling mud at the other for this??

The only conclusion I can come to is that there's a serious lack of independent thought.

I mean how can you overlook extra marital affairs and charges of rape on one side but try and use them as a millstone on the other?

More than anything it points to the rank hypocrisy evident throughout this election.

You obviously don't understand our media. These types of things only warrant full-out war against a candidate if he/she has an (R) behind their name. Sexual misdeeds, and those enabling them, for someone with a (D) only warrant a cursory mention on page 12 at best, and then never talked about again unless forced to by social media.

Overheal · 10-10-2016 07:58PM

Back to racist rhetoric, and the Trump Effect...

It would appear according to campus police that we've had a visit from the KKK. They distributed recruitment materials across campus and in local townships.

CUPD investigating incidents

On three separate occasions this past week, Clemson students were subjected to racial slurs and other inappropriate conduct while walking on our campus. Due to two of the incidents being reported immediately, Clemson University Police Department (CUPD) officers were able to stop and identify the individuals responsible for this conduct. Those individuals are not affiliated with Clemson University. In coordination with the Thirteenth Judicial Circuit Solicitor's Office, the appropriate action was taken to deter these individuals from repeating conduct of this nature on our campus.

We take such racially motivated remarks and/or acts toward our students extremely seriously, and such conduct directed at anyone in our community runs counter to Clemson's values.

Additionally, last Friday night, several clear zip lock sandwich bags containing KKK recruitment flyers weighted by small gravel, rice, or dried beans were placed at various roadways and parking lots on our campus. These appear to have been dropped from a moving vehicle. This was not an isolated event on our campus as this type of activity was also reported on that same night in other parts of Oconee County. We are in contact with local, state and federal law enforcement partners concerning this matter and it remains an ongoing investigation.

CUPD has increased our patrols of campus areas that are heavily used by students and will remain vigilant in our efforts to keep Clemson a safe and secure learning environment.

Please report any information on these or similar incidents on our campus to CUPD (911 or 864-656-2222) or through the Rave CU Guardian free mobile safety app found at https://www.clemson.edu/cusafety/cupd/rave-guardian/

Issued by Clemson University Media Relations in cooperation with the Clemson University Police Department
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Billy86 · 10-10-2016 07:58PM

gosplan wrote: »

I fail to see how one side can sling mud at the other for this??

The only conclusion I can come to is that there's a serious lack of independent thought.

I mean how can you overlook extra marital affairs and charges of rape on one side but try and use them as a millstone on the other?

More than anything it points to the rank hypocrisy evident throughout this election.

Yep, that about sums it up - probably why Clinton has avoided it. Hasn't stopped Trumps 'go broke or die trying' campaign though. Then again that's hardly surprising, almost everything he and his fanboys throw at Clinton is just as if not more applicable to him.

But they're detached from the reality of the situation, hence why they'll be fuming.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 07:58PM

Amerika wrote: »

You obviously don't understand our media. These types of things only warrant full-out war against a candidate if he/she has an (R) behind their name. Sexual misdeeds, and those enabling them, for someone with a (D) only warrant a cursory mention on page 12 at best, and then never talked about again unless forced to by social media.

Forget the media. I want to know how individual posters do it.

KingBrian2 · 10-10-2016 07:58PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

So a women takes her vow seriously and you knock her.

I'm pointing out how the media target Trump for his remarks made while they don't trouble to bring up how she forgave Bill for behaving just like him. If Bill is good enough for Hillary why not Trump good enough for the country. Trump did say he was embarrassed by those comments and by all accounts he is a good father and husband. This topic distracts from the policies they need talking about. Sexual activity by two adults. This is not a teen romance.

Billy86 · 10-10-2016 08:00PM

Posted this in the debate thread by accident, it's more suited to the race itself... and it's not good reading for the Trumpettes.

"But but but... the big meanie 'mainstream media' (which includes FOX don't forget!) and their facts and reality are such meanies that I don't want to listen, so I'll retreat to my 'safe spaces' like Rasmussen. They know the truth!" shout the Trump fans. Well yeah, about that...

Pro Hoc Vice · 10-10-2016 08:01PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I'm pointing out how the media target Trump for his remarks made while they don't trouble to bring up how she forgave Bill for behaving just like him. If Bill is good enough for Hillary why not Trump good enough for the country. Trump did say he was embarrassed by those comments and by all accounts he is a good father and husband. This topic distracts from the policies they need talking about. Sexual activity by two adults. This is not a teen romance.

If trump in a position of power wanted to grab your mothers pussy how would you react.

And again Bill Clinton is not running for election and he was torn a new one by the media when he dipped his wick.

gosplan · 10-10-2016 08:01PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I'm pointing out how the media target Trump for his remarks made while they don't trouble to bring up how she forgave Bill for behaving just like him. If Bill is good enough for Hillary why not Trump good enough for the country. Trump did say he was embarrassed by those comments and by all accounts he is a good father and husband. This topic distracts from the policies they need talking about. Sexual activity by two adults. This is not a teen romance.

In fairness Brisn you have to appreciate that the Trump stuff is breaking news about the current (most controversial) candidate (ever) whereas the Bill Clinton stuff is old news about the husband of the other candidate.

Overheal · 10-10-2016 08:06PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Clinton ahead in Arizona.

Arizona!!!!

I've been watching that for the last week or so, Arizona went from a close but relatively certain red state, to a swing state split down the middle, and now with recent performances and McCain revoking his endorsement, unless Trump or the GOP puts down a major ground effort in AZ, it's going to flip blue in the Presidential race.

That said, The probabilities are that Trump would have to secure every swing state at this point, and still have to go in and take some blue states too to win this. Not enough time, the absentees have already begun voting, 1 month to go.

(source: FiveThirtyEight.com)

KingBrian2 · 10-10-2016 08:07PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

If trump in a position of power wanted to grab your mothers pussy how would you react.

And again Bill Clinton is not running for election and he was torn a new one by the media when he dipped his wick.

For the last time Trump is not a rapist which is what the media is portraying him as. The implication is there for everyone to see. Do you believe he is a rapist?

Feline Grabber · 10-10-2016 08:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It will be a third term for both in the White House.
Hillary didn't deny that she laughed at getting a 12 year old's rapist off.
Hillary didn't deny she went after women whom Bill sexually assaulted.

But you support the pedo. I'm assuming you think Trump raped the child if you accuse Clinton of these.

Overheal · 10-10-2016 08:09PM

Imagine if he wins this in November somehow, he'll be on trial for raping a child in December.

Billy86 · 10-10-2016 08:15PM

Overheal wrote: »

Imagine if he wins this in November somehow, he'll be on trial for raping a child in December.

I get the feeling that and even moreso, the multiple trials he has for stealing millions from the US taxpaying public via Trump University fraud actually have quite a role to play in his motivation for making a run for the presidency.

He knows he's up the river on the latter, at the very least.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-10-2016 08:17PM

There are vast amount of simple folk who live in middle of know where in every state. These people are not showing up in current polls, but when it comes to voting they will be out in their thousands, this will tip a lot of states in Trumps favour .

Billy86 · 10-10-2016 08:22PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

There are vast amount of simple folk who live in middle of know where in every state. These people are not showing up in current polls, but when it comes to voting they will be out in their thousands, this will tip a lot of states in Trumps favour .

Honest question...

Do you know what a telephone is?

Zubeneschamali · 10-10-2016 08:23PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

These people are not showing up in current polls, but when it comes to voting they will be out in their thousands, this will tip a lot of states in Trumps favour .

So you're saying the polls are skewed?

How'd that story work out for Mitt Romney?

Pro Hoc Vice · 10-10-2016 08:26PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

For the last time Trump is not a rapist which is what the media is portraying him as. The implication is there for everyone to see. Do you believe he is a rapist?

Did I call him a rapist in my post. Read what I said and either answer or ignore your choice.

But in answer to your question no I do not believe he is a rapist nor do I believe Bill Clinton is but I would have no problem introducing Bill to a female family member but I would not trust Trump not to make any female family member feel a bit dirty just seeing him.

Overheal · 10-10-2016 08:27PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I get the feeling that and even moreso, the multiple trials he has for stealing millions from the US taxpaying public via Trump University fraud actually have quite a role to play in his motivation for making a run for the presidency.

He knows he's up the river on the latter, at the very least.

Maybe he thinks he can get himself pardoned

Maybe that's the deal he has with Pence

Hey it worked for Nixon.

Billy86 · 10-10-2016 08:27PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

So you're saying the polls are skewed?

How'd that story work out for Mitt Romney?

Or any of these guys, now that you mention it...

Billy86 wrote: »

Well they got the Democratic primaries right - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_2016_presidential_primaries

And the Republican primaries - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2016_presidential_primaries#Polls_conducted_in_2016

They seemed to have 2012 correct too, now that you mention it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2012

Just as they had on the 2012 Republican primaries - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2012_presidential_primaries

And the 2008 election - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2008

As well as the incredibly tight 2008 Democratic primaries - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

And in the 2008 Republican primaries, they predicted a landslide. McCain won in a landslide - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2008_presidential_primaries

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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