2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 03:51PM

K-9 wrote: »

Which still leaves Assad and Syria in a mess.

True to an extent but it stops ISIS. Assad hasnt been shooting up any metal music gigs in Paris or sending suicide bombers into football grounds in Europe as far as i am aware. Hence ISIS is the pressing problem and Trump is the only one of the candidates in this race who has appeared to have any iota of how this is to be done.

The whole Assad and Syria being in a mess is a product of American propaganda also. Unless you didnt notice the beautiful untouched parts of Aleppo that arent rebel-held?

KingBrian2 · 10-10-2016 03:53PM

If women believe Trump is the worst candidate they should look at how Hillary voted for the war in Iraq in which chemical weapons were used against the Iraqi people. The spread of Al Qaeda in Iraq which became ISIS and how she stands up and defends her policy of war mongering by accusing the Syrian gv and Russia of war crimes. Horrible lady and the media once again let her off the hook.

By contrast Trump raised all the points and showed her how capable anyone can be when hammering public officials on the criminal errors gvt make. When gvt messes up lives are lost and thankfully Trump in his entire career has never harmed another person. He stands up for the working poor that have been so neglected by the media in this election. I can see now why President Obama beat Clinton. She is such a lousy candidate.

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 03:56PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

True to an extent but it stops ISIS. Assad hasnt been shooting up any metal music gigs in Paris or sending suicide bombers into football grounds in Europe as far as i am aware. Hence ISIS is the pressing problem and Trump is the only one of the candidates in this race who has appeared to have any iota of how this is to be done.

The whole Assad and Syria being in a mess is a product of American propaganda also. Unless you didnt notice the beautiful untouched parts of Aleppo that arent rebel-held?

What exactly has he said about how this is to be done, because the last I heard, he was keeping his 'plan' secret so ISIS wouldn't get wind of it.

What do you know about it?

Amerika · 10-10-2016 03:57PM

Brian? wrote: »

Vast over simplification. But it's nice to have a debate about policy and the issues instead of arguing who's the least hawkish or insulting.

Hillary has said many times, including last night that no one earning less than 250k would see a tax increase. And increases would be staggered to hit those earning 5m more than anyone else.

As has also been pointed out here repeatedly, Hillary's economic policy will create less deficit spending than Trumps's.

Is there an evil in this world that Hillary believes can’t be fixed by taxing the rich?

The interest on our debt is soon to be our third highest federal expenditure. Her proposed ideas and regulations will only serve to drive more businesses overseas and cause higher unemployment and for those business that will remain means higher costs which will hurt the poor and middle class. Her fix to ObamaCare is to have a single-payer system. You can tax the rich at 100% and it will do almost nothing to fix the sins of the last eight years, and those Hillary plans on continuing.

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 03:59PM

Phoebas wrote: »

What exactly has he said about how this is to be done, because the last I heard, he was keeping his 'plan' secret so ISIS wouldn't get wind of it.

What do you know about it?

He even said it last night. He said that talking to Russia was better than the current route being taken. On that point he is absolutely correct. That is what stops ISIS given Russia are destroying ISIS currently.

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 04:02PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

He even said it last night. He said that talking to Russia was better than the current route being taken. On that point he is absolutely correct. That is what stops ISIS given Russia are destroying ISIS currently.

So his policy on ISIS is to outsource the work to Russia!

#BringTheJobsBackHome

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 04:07PM

Phoebas wrote: »

So his policy on ISIS is to outsource the work to Russia!

#BringTheJobsBackHome

Russia and Assad are allies. The Russians took over operations in October 2015. It makes geopolitical sense to assist them in their destruction of ISIS.

However, the above is not what the Americans want for Syria and their "humanitarian reasons" for getting Assad out is complete bull:

US Defense Intelligence Agency Report on Syria Summer 2012:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

See p3 para B & C, P5 para 7B, and 8C.

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 04:22PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Russia and Assad are allies. The Russians took over operations in October 2015. It makes geopolitical sense to assist them in their destruction of ISIS.

However, the above is not what the Americans want for Syria and their "humanitarian reasons" for getting Assad out is complete bull:

US Defense Intelligence Agency Report on Syria Summer 2012:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

See p3 para B & C, P5 para 7B, and 8C.

Is this a change to his original 'policy'?

Trump: "I would bomb the shít out of them"

https://youtu.be/aWejiXvd-P8

K-9 · 10-10-2016 04:33PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

True to an extent but it stops ISIS. Assad hasnt been shooting up any metal music gigs in Paris or sending suicide bombers into football grounds in Europe as far as i am aware. Hence ISIS is the pressing problem and Trump is the only one of the candidates in this race who has appeared to have any iota of how this is to be done.

The whole Assad and Syria being in a mess is a product of American propaganda also. Unless you didnt notice the beautiful untouched parts of Aleppo that arent rebel-held?

Defeating ISIS isn't going to stop attacks in Paris, unfortunately that ship sailed ages ago.

As for coverage of the mess in Syria being American propaganda? Jaysus, the Americans don't come out looking great in all of this either.

K-9 · 10-10-2016 04:35PM

Amerika wrote: »

RADDATZ: And, Secretary Clinton, I do want to follow up on e- mails. You’ve said your handing of your e-mails was a mistake. You disagreed with FBI Director James Comey, calling your handling of classified information, quote, “extremely careless.” The FBI said that there were 110 classified e-mails that were exchanged, eight of which were top secret, and that it was possible hostile actors did gain access to those e-mails. You don’t call that extremely careless?

CLINTON: Well, Martha, first, let me say — and I’ve said before, but I’ll repeat it, because I want everyone to hear it — that was a mistake, and I take responsibility for using a personal e-mail account. Obviously, if I were to do it over again, I would not. I’m not making any excuses. It was a mistake. And I am very sorry about that.

But I think it’s also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. After a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server I was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all — anyone who says otherwise has no basis — that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands.

I take classified materials very seriously and always have. When I was on the Senate Armed Services Committee, I was privy to a lot of classified material. Obviously, as secretary of state, I had some of the most important secrets that we possess, such as going after bin Laden. So I am very committed to taking classified information seriously. And as I said, there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands.

RADDATZ: OK, we’re going to move on… (No challenges, no follow-up, no fact-checking, no ma’am... Because ‘I’m With Her.’ Oh thank you Hillary, I'm sooooo very sorry I had to even bring it up.)

That certainly wasn't the only exchange on the matter. Trump brought it up again several times.

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 04:39PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Is this a change to his original 'policy'?

Trump: "I would bomb the shít out of them"

https://youtu.be/aWejiXvd-P8

Do you think the current American strategy of funding, arming and supporting them is better?

Your attached vid is dated November 2015. Trump was speaking to the republican base at that time. The extent of Russia's success in Syria had not become apparent by that stage.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 04:40PM

K-9 wrote: »

That certainly wasn't the only exchange on the matter. Trump brought it up again several times.

Yeah, Trump brought it up again. We can't expect the moderators to push to seek the truth about it, now can we? Especially after the moderators wasted almost 30 minutes of the debate focusing on some locker room potty-mouth comment Trump made a decade ago. And because, you know... the 'I'm With Her' thing, and all.

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 04:45PM

K-9 wrote: »

Defeating ISIS isn't going to stop attacks in Paris, unfortunately that ship sailed ages ago.

As for coverage of the mess in Syria being American propaganda? Jaysus, the Americans don't come out looking great in all of this either.

The attacks in Paris, Belgium, Brussels etc were all carried out by ISIS. This organisation needs to be stopped. Hillary's suggestion will likely lead to war with Russia. Trump's suggestion will likely lead to no war with Russia and remove possibly one of the greatest realistic threats to us sitting in Ireland ie ISIS.

As for the propaganda point, i agree that the Americans are looking bad. Their attempt to pave the way clear for a rebel attack by bombing Syrian army positions and breaking the ceasefire a couple of weeks ago was a shameful act. The media's clambering and obfuscating since gives a clear indication. Sky News reported 3 days after that attack that the Russians had broken the ceasefire! The propaganda is mind-boggling at times and, when you think that most people skim the news on a daily basis, it is hiding in plain sight.

Brian? · 10-10-2016 04:47PM

Amerika wrote: »

Is there an evil in this world that Hillary believes can’t be fixed by taxing the rich?

The interest on our debt is soon to be our third highest federal expenditure. Her proposed ideas and regulations will only serve to drive more businesses overseas and cause higher unemployment and for those business that will remain means higher costs which will hurt the poor and middle class. Her fix to ObamaCare is to have a single-payer system. You can tax the rich at 100% and it will do almost nothing to fix the sins of the last eight years, and those Hillary plans on continuing.

You could try responding to the points I made, instead of replying with empty rhetoric.

KingBrian2 · 10-10-2016 04:54PM

Scanned through the news today and two stories took my notice as they relate to Europe & America today and the dangers we are encountering.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germany-captures-syrian-man-suspected-of-planning-bomb-attack-1.2823698?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fgermany-captures-syrian-man-suspected-of-planning-bomb-attack-1.2823698

http://www.news.com.au/world/former-glamour-model-kimberley-miners-held-by-police-over-alleged-ties-to-islamic-state/news-story/dc17aabad6368f320c02e56b71d7b3b9

They are recruiting ladies and gentlemen. See for yourself fighters in Europe to fight in the Muslim countries of Syria & Iraq. This is a reality and nobody picks up on this. When Trump challenges the Jihadists he is attacked and attacked and attacked.

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 04:59PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Do you think the current American strategy of funding, arming and supporting them is better?

Better than what? Better than bombing the **** out of them or better than allowing Russia, Syria and Iran do the job for him?

Peist2007 wrote: »

Your attached vid is dated November 2015. Trump was speaking to the republican base at that time. The extent of Russia's success in Syria had not become apparent by that stage.

Are you expecting people to believe that Trump's ever had a policy on ISIS and that the policy has since changed as events changed?

The truth of it is that he has no policy. His comments last night were him attempting to evade the question of ISIS, not answer it. He doesn't have a policy, so he tries to pivot to someone else - much like you are doing in trying to focus on 'the current American strategy' because you know that Trump has no strategy of his own.

oscarBravo · 10-10-2016 05:02PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

When Trump challenges the Jihadists he is attacked and attacked and attacked.

"I have a plan, but I'm not telling you what it is."

Yeah, ISIS are ****ting themselves.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 05:04PM

Brian? wrote: »

You could try responding to the points I made, instead of replying with empty rhetoric.

How about you posting specific policies and plans that Hillary wants that won't hurt the economy, add more debt, and cause more unemployment. Then we'll get beyond rhetoric.

We can start with her Trillion dollar tax hike:

Payroll Tax Hike – Hillary said she would not veto a payroll tax increase on all Americans should such a bill reach her desk.
Result: Hurts middle class.

Soda Tax Hike – Hillary endorsed a steep new soda pop tax in Philadelphia. This will cost soda purchasers an extra $2.16 per 12-pack.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

25% National Gun Tax – Hillary endorsed a new national 25% retail sales tax on guns. “I am all for that,” she told the Senate in 1993. On June 5, 2016 she was asked about her gun tax endorsement by George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week. She acknowledged her gun tax endorsement and did not disavow it, saying she wanted the gun tax money to pay for Hillarycare.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

65% Death Tax – Hillary is now pushing a 65% Death Tax. Note: Her own finances are arranged to shield herself from death taxes.
Result: Rich will, LIKE HER, find ways to shield themselves from death taxes.

Capital Gains Tax Hike – Hillary has proposed the most complex and Byzantine capital gains tax regime in American history, with ten different rates. She raises the top capital gains tax rate from 23.8% to 43.4%.
Result: Will also hurt Middle Class retirement investment.

No Corporate Income Tax Rate Relief for Anyone – Hillary offers no income tax rate reduction for any business. The USA has the highest corporate income tax in the world, which kills jobs and makes us less competitive.
Results: More business will leave the US, less tax revenues will be realized, and will cause higher unemployment for Middle Class and poor Americans.

Carbon Tax – Hillary’s campaign has opened the door to a carbon tax if she wins the White House.
Result: Higher costs on products which hurts Middle Class and poor.

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 05:20PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Better than what? Better than bombing the **** out of them or better than allowing Russia, Syria and Iran do the job for him?

Of course talking to the Russians as opposed to funding their enemy is the smart approach. You seem to think this is a jobs issue. It is a global security issue.

Phoebas wrote: »

Are you expecting people to believe that Trump's ever had a policy on ISIS and that the policy has since changed as events changed?

The truth of it is that he has no policy. His comments last night were him attempting to evade the question of ISIS, not answer it. He doesn't have a policy, so he tries to pivot to someone else - much like you are doing in trying to focus on 'the current American strategy' because you know that Trump has no strategy of his own.

I'm not asking people to believe anything. You put up a video from November 2015. Since that video Russia has more or less taken over governmental duties in Syria and Trump has since secured the republican primary nomination.

You have posted a video showing Trump announcing a policy of sorts. I responded to same referring to his words last night which indicate that talks with the Russians are the smart move. Which i wholeheartedly agree with as should you.

Any links for your inside knowledge? You seem pretty certain. Or should your above post be prefaced with "in my opinion"?

Peist2007 · 10-10-2016 05:21PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

"I have a plan, but I'm not telling you what it is."

Yeah, ISIS are ****ting themselves.

Talk. To. Russia.

An excellent plan, in fact.

oscarBravo · 10-10-2016 05:25PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Talk. To. Russia.

An excellent plan, in fact.

You think the US doesn't talk to Russia?

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 05:37PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Of course talking to the Russians as opposed to funding their enemy is the smart approach. You seem to think this is a jobs issue. It is a global security issue.

I'm not asking people to believe anything. You put up a video from November 2015. Since that video Russia has more or less taken over governmental duties in Syria and Trump has since secured the republican primary nomination.

You have posted a video showing Trump announcing a policy of sorts. I responded to same referring to his words last night which indicate that talks with the Russians are the smart move. Which i wholeheartedly agree with as should you.

Talks with the Russians? When did he announce that as his ISIS policy?
Here's what we said last night in relation to Russia and ISIS.

Trump wrote:

"I don't like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS. Russia is killing ISIS. And Iran is killing ISIS. And those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy"

Does this amount to what you believe to be an actual policy? And will he also be opening talks with Iran on ISIS?
If this was his policy wouldn't I be able to go to his website, look under the section called 'FOREIGN POLICY AND DEFEATING ISIS' and read about it?

Because, I've looked and there is no mention of Russian cooperation in there at all.

Godge · 10-10-2016 05:50PM

Amerika wrote: »

How about you posting specific policies and plans that Hillary wants that won't hurt the economy, add more debt, and cause more unemployment. Then we'll get beyond rhetoric.

We can start with her Trillion dollar tax hike:

You know and I know that there will be swings and roundabout. Only counting the swings results in a trillion dollars. The roundabouts will result in a benefit to the middle classes.

Amerika wrote: »

Payroll Tax Hike – Hillary said she would not veto a payroll tax increase on all Americans should such a bill reach her desk.
Result: Hurts middle class.

From what I can see, Clinton is supposed to be looking at raising the cap (hurts higher income earners) and increasing the range of income subject to the tax (hurts those who have unearned income through rent/dividends rather than ordinary workers)

I see nothing in that that hurts the middle class, in fact if successful enough, it protects the availability of social security to the middle class and/or may lead to a reduction in the rate thanks to the wider tax net. Overall, neutral to potentially good for the middle class.

Amerika wrote: »

Soda Tax Hike – Hillary endorsed a steep new soda pop tax in Philadelphia. This will cost soda purchasers an extra $2.16 per 12-pack.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

A Soda Tax Hike will hurt those who consume more soda (mostly lower educated and definitely not middle class). The benefits of this tax will be a reduction in health care costs, which will benefit the middle class. Overally, beneficial to the middle class

Amerika wrote: »

25% National Gun Tax – Hillary endorsed a new national 25% retail sales tax on guns. “I am all for that,” she told the Senate in 1993. On June 5, 2016 she was asked about her gun tax endorsement by George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week. She acknowledged her gun tax endorsement and did not disavow it, saying she wanted the gun tax money to pay for Hillarycare.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

Gun tax hurts those who want to kill and maim, not a problem in my view. As violent crime reduces towards normal Western levels due to the reduced availability of weapons, there is a saving to the middle class in terms of reduced cost of health care and reduced cost of prison population. Overall, a benefit to the middle class unless you are a violent psychopath with a need for lots of guns.

Amerika wrote: »

65% Death Tax – Hillary is now pushing a 65% Death Tax. Note: Her own finances are arranged to shield herself from death taxes.
Result: Rich will, LIKE HER, find ways to shield themselves from death taxes.

Inheritance taxes are taxes on wealth, a very good thing in my opinion. Will hurt those with most wealth, certainly not the middle class. Overall, will only hurt the middle class with inherited wealth, those who have worked the American dream to pull themselves up will benefit.

Amerika wrote: »

Capital Gains Tax Hike – Hillary has proposed the most complex and Byzantine capital gains tax regime in American history, with ten different rates. She raises the top capital gains tax rate from 23.8% to 43.4%.
Result: Will also hurt Middle Class retirement investment.

Again, a wealth tax that will hurt the rich first and foremost. Not a reason to complain.

Amerika wrote: »

No Corporate Income Tax Rate Relief for Anyone – Hillary offers no income tax rate reduction for any business. The USA has the highest corporate income tax in the world, which kills jobs and makes us less competitive.
Results: More business will leave the US, less tax revenues will be realized, and will cause higher unemployment for Middle Class and poor Americans.

The biggest issue out there is the failure of corporations to pay taxes, similar to individuals. The biggest reason for this is loopholes and reliefs. Eliminating them is the first step to a fair corporate tax system.

Amerika wrote: »

Carbon Tax – Hillary’s campaign has opened the door to a carbon tax if she wins the White House.
Result: Higher costs on products which hurts Middle Class and poor.

A US carbon tax is badly needed to save the planet. Overall, a real benefit for the middle class, because if they don't have a planet to live on.........

B0jangles · 10-10-2016 06:00PM

New NBC/WSJ poll out just now (first since the tape story broke)

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/785510212291686400

Clinton's up 14% in a 2-way against Trump.

Also Rassmussen have her up 7 points on Trump since Friday

Rasmussen Reports’ latest national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds that Democrat Hillary Clinton has now jumped out to a seven-point lead – 45% to 38% - over Trump. On Friday, the two were in a virtual tie – Clinton 43%, Trump 42%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct10

oik · 10-10-2016 06:03PM

Amerika wrote: »

25% National Gun Tax – Hillary endorsed a new national 25% retail sales tax on guns. “I am all for that,” she told the Senate in 1993. On June 5, 2016 she was asked about her gun tax endorsement by George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week. She acknowledged her gun tax endorsement and did not disavow it, saying she wanted the gun tax money to pay for Hillarycare.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

Wow.

Hillary supports Jim Crow gun laws.

This is how they used to keep guns out of the hands of blacks back in the day and it will have the same effect today, disproportionately affecting blacks.

North Carolina still has one of those laws on the books.

Amerika · 10-10-2016 06:16PM

Godge wrote: »

You know and I know that there will be swings and roundabout. Only counting the swings results in a trillion dollars. The roundabouts will result in a benefit to the middle classes.

Please show me where the benefits to the middle class are.

From what I can see, Clinton is supposed to be looking at raising the cap (hurts higher income earners) and increasing the range of income subject to the tax (hurts those who have unearned income through rent/dividends rather than ordinary workers)

It calls for a payroll tax increase on all Americans levied on all wages up to $113,700. She vowed she would add no taxes to Americans making less than $250,000 per year. Translation… she’s lying her way into office.

I see nothing in that that hurts the middle class, in fact if successful enough, it protects the availability of social security to the middle class and/or may lead to a reduction in the rate thanks to the wider tax net. Overall, neutral to potentially good for the middle class.

I thought Social Security was doing just fine and in no danger, according to what Democrats have told us for decades. Are you now saying they've been lying to us all that time?

A Soda Tax Hike will hurt those who consume more soda (mostly lower educated and definitely not middle class). The benefits of this tax will be a reduction in health care costs, which will benefit the middle class. Overally, beneficial to the middle class

The middle class drink plenty of soda. But by your thinking it's okay to target the poor with higher taxes, based on the idea they might stop drinking soda cold turkey? Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

Gun tax hurts those who want to kill and maim, not a problem in my view. As violent crime reduces towards normal Western levels due to the reduced availability of weapons, there is a saving to the middle class in terms of reduced cost of health care and reduced cost of prison population. Overall, a benefit to the middle class unless you are a violent psychopath with a need for lots of guns.

There are now more guns that people in the US. According to you everyone that owns one has intentions to kill and maim? Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? We have six guns in our family. How in the world have we been able to restrain ourselves all these years?

Inheritance taxes are taxes on wealth, a very good thing in my opinion. Will hurt those with most wealth, certainly not the middle class. Overall, will only hurt the middle class with inherited wealth, those who have worked the American dream to pull themselves up will benefit.

Do you Honestly think people who have amassed huge amounts of wealth won’t find a way to shelter their wealth from taxes, just has Hillary has done?

Again, a wealth tax that will hurt the rich first and foremost. Not a reason to complain.

Ordinary people have investments which pay better then the interest on a saving account, and investments for retirement that result in capital gains. They're not all rich. Will they be paying more in taxes or won't they?

The biggest issue out there is the failure of corporations to pay taxes, similar to individuals. The biggest reason for this is loopholes and reliefs. Eliminating them is the first step to a fair corporate tax system.

No, the failure is corporations are already paying far to much in taxes. Why do you think they are leaving for other countries? The weather?

A US carbon tax is badly needed to save the planet. Overall, a real benefit for the middle class, because if they don't have a planet to live on.........

A carbon tax will do nothing to save the planet. It is just a way to redistribute wealth to their political cronies. Do you contend it won't drive up the cost of products that will hurt the middle class and the poor?

Christy42 · 10-10-2016 07:00PM

Amerika wrote: »

How about you posting specific policies and plans that Hillary wants that won't hurt the economy, add more debt, and cause more unemployment. Then we'll get beyond rhetoric.

We can start with her Trillion dollar tax hike:

Payroll Tax Hike – Hillary said she would not veto a payroll tax increase on all Americans should such a bill reach her desk.
Result: Hurts middle class.

Soda Tax Hike – Hillary endorsed a steep new soda pop tax in Philadelphia. This will cost soda purchasers an extra $2.16 per 12-pack.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

25% National Gun Tax – Hillary endorsed a new national 25% retail sales tax on guns. “I am all for that,” she told the Senate in 1993. On June 5, 2016 she was asked about her gun tax endorsement by George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week. She acknowledged her gun tax endorsement and did not disavow it, saying she wanted the gun tax money to pay for Hillarycare.
Result: Hurts Middle class.

65% Death Tax – Hillary is now pushing a 65% Death Tax. Note: Her own finances are arranged to shield herself from death taxes.
Result: Rich will, LIKE HER, find ways to shield themselves from death taxes.

Capital Gains Tax Hike – Hillary has proposed the most complex and Byzantine capital gains tax regime in American history, with ten different rates. She raises the top capital gains tax rate from 23.8% to 43.4%.
Result: Will also hurt Middle Class retirement investment.

No Corporate Income Tax Rate Relief for Anyone – Hillary offers no income tax rate reduction for any business. The USA has the highest corporate income tax in the world, which kills jobs and makes us less competitive.
Results: More business will leave the US, less tax revenues will be realized, and will cause higher unemployment for Middle Class and poor Americans.

Carbon Tax – Hillary’s campaign has opened the door to a carbon tax if she wins the White House.
Result: Higher costs on products which hurts Middle Class and poor.

The middle class are all addicted to soda???

Death tax does not affect the middle class as has been discussed (potentially the upper middle class) but certainly not the majority.

I fail to see an issue with a gun tax. Hardly a requirement for the middle class.

You know plenty of other countries survive and tend to have less issues with wealth distribution with high taxes right?

Phoebas · 10-10-2016 07:02PM

oik wrote: »

Wow.

Hillary supports Jim Crow gun laws.

This is how they used to keep guns out of the hands of blacks back in the day and it will have the same effect today, disproportionately affecting blacks.

North Carolina still has one of those laws on the books.

The thing is - this kind of nonsense doesn't convince anyone who isn't already convinced.

TheDoctor · 10-10-2016 07:15PM

Clinton ahead in Arizona.

Arizona!!!!

oik · 10-10-2016 07:24PM

Phoebas wrote: »

The thing is - this kind of nonsense doesn't convince anyone who isn't already convinced.

I'm not trying to convince anyone on here to change their mind on guns.

But the gun tax will disproportionately affect poor blacks who probably need guns for self-defence more than anyone.

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