UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't personally agree with the policy, but I'm interested to see somebody explain exactly why it's supposedly so morally outrageous. It's no different to asking people to buy local goods and support local businesses over imports.

As I say, I don't agree with it myself but I'm not "shocked", "outraged", or "triggered" the way so many on social media and in the newspaper columns seem to be - what's so appallingly unethical or immoral about a country's leader wanting her country's jobs not to be outsourced?

These's a difference between people and goods.

There is also a big diff between asking and compiling lists.
During the War of Ind, 100 years ago, we had to list who was sleeping in the house each night on the back of the door.
From all the pogroms etc people know what compiling lists means.

Geuze wrote:

Now, doctors we are short of, so we import non-EU doctors, okay. It's not the best idea, but we have to do it.

http //www thejournal ie/medical-students-emigrating-1987638-Mar2015/

More than 2,000 medical students across six schools in Ireland were included in the study which was led by researchers in NUI Galway. Career opportunities, working conditions and lifestyle were the three main reasons cited for possible migration.

More than one third of the students in the study said they definitely plan to leave with a further 53% contemplating it.

“Because of this outflow of human capital, we are having to go to huge efforts to attract doctors from other countries, including developing nations,” commented Dr Diarmuid O’Donovan, senior lecturer in social preventative medicine at NUIG. “Not only is this a problem for Irish recruitment, but we need to be mindful of WHO guidelines on international recruitment and taking skilled personnel away from countries that have medical staff shortage.”

If the Government had any bollocks about it, they could tackle the HSE's bloated administration sector and streamline it. Use the money saved to subsidise Irish students and provide them with reasonable employment opportunities and pay, not this "take turns sleeping in the hospital" nonsense.

The fear of a lack of doctors in the NHS was a fear during the Brexit campaign, yet they've announced they are planning a 25% increase in the number of native doctors they will train.

http //www bbc com/news/health-37546360

The government's plan will see an expansion in training places from 6,000 to 7,500 a year.

This lazy "sure fúck it, we'll just hire someone else to do it for us" nonsense is not going to solve the colossal piece of cac that is the HSE.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't personally agree with the policy, but I'm interested to see somebody explain exactly why it's supposedly so morally outrageous. It's no different to asking people to buy local goods and support local businesses over imports.

It would be the same if the people buying 'foreign' goods were put on a list to 'name and shame' them.

It would also be the same if the Home Secretary had asked firms to prioritise the hiring of local rather than foreign labour. It would even be useful if firms were asked to report on the number of local applicants to jobs advertised and to quantify the reasons for their success or failure.

At least that kind of information could give government the information needed to rectify the situation through upskilling initiatives or systems to help people relocate to areas of need.

I bet twelve British candidates to the job in the UK. I bloody earned my right to work here.

JJEire wrote: »

On what basis do you say this? There will be queues out the door of Argus, Easons etc of people looking for minimum wage seasonal work. Huge numbers will Irish.

Barbering and hairdressing generally require an apprenticeship. It's very low paid and has variable hours. It's a job that you can clearly rock up to, but not many want to because of the initial low pay and short hours.

Minimum pay, seasonal work is hardly that desirable either.

VinLieger wrote:

So their economy didnt go from 5th to 6th strongest during Therasa May's speech? Right so....

No, actually, it didn't. The value of their economy dropped because the markets saw sterling drop - their economy itself is perfectly fine they didn't just suddenly stop producing stuff. That's the problem with exchange rate mechanisms, it gives a false idea to people who don't understand economics.

CMOTDibbler wrote:

Chicken and egg though, isn't it?

The value of sterling dropped because observers believe that a hard Brexit is going to damage the UK economy.

It's not so much the value as the sentiment behind it.

Markets are fickle as hell, but sterling has fallen steadily to a point now where it's lost 25% of its value.

The fundamentals of their economy will remain largely unchanged. Any loss to the value of their currency will see a pick up in the value of their exports. When we unpegged the punt from the pound back in the day, people said it would be a catastrophe, but it was what allowed us to eventually begin exporting more than just heads of cattle.

Everything rises and everything falls in the markets. Saying it's doomed because it's at its lowest is like saying oil was a good thing to invest in because it was at $110 a barrel a while ago. If you'd invested in oil, you'd be fairly well fecked by now.

AnGaelach wrote: »

The fundamentals of their economy will remain largely unchanged. Any loss to the value of their currency will see a pick up in the value of their exports. When we unpegged the punt from the pound back in the day, people said it would be a catastrophe, but it was what allowed us to eventually begin exporting more than just heads of cattle.

Everything rises and everything falls in the markets. Saying it's doomed because it's at its lowest is like saying oil was a good thing to invest in because it was at $110 a barrel a while ago. If you'd invested in oil, you'd be fairly well fecked by now.

There's a significant difference between severing a monetary union and severing a trading partnership. Granted we don't know what form any future trading partnership the UK may agree with the EU and the wider world, but the market sentiment that has depressed the value of sterling is clearly saying that it doesn't believe it's going to be a better one.

And yes, I do appreciate that the sentiment so expressed is a best guess and may not bear out at all.

Funny how the same people that oppose local jobs for local people are all for "shop local / support local businesses".

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There's a significant difference between severing a monetary union and severing a trading partnership.

Sever would be insane. I think they intend to just re-negotiate, no?!

The UK will do really well in the medium term. Why? Their offerings are now suddenly more competitive in the international shop window and the cost of money for UK business people (to expand and produce more at those competitive prices) is awfully cheap in historic terms.

Add to this mix some swapping out of native dole-queuers, and you'll hear some good old fashioned Jingo from the exchequer old chap! So get the foam ear plugs in now. You should get British-made ones cheap enough on amazon.co.uk.

topper75 wrote: »

Sever would be insane. I think they intend to just re-negotiate, no?!

It's been said on the Brexit thread that the view based on May's statements is that it's a hard line on immigration. That would seem to preclude a return to the status quo ante in terms of trade barriers.

topper75 wrote: »

The UK will do really well in the medium term. Why? Their offerings are now suddenly more competitive in the international shop window and the cost of money for UK business people (to expand and produce more at those competitive prices) is awfully cheap in historic terms.

There are two sides to that coin. The UK is a net importer of goods, so the currency devaluation hurts more than it helps.

topper75 wrote: »

Add to this mix some swapping out of native dole-queuers, and you'll hear some good old fashioned Jingo from the exchequer old chap! So get the foam ear plugs in now. You should get British-made ones cheap enough on amazon.co.uk.

Not sure what you're saying here, but you seem to be implying an increase in employment. I'm not sure that's on the cards.