UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

JL2106 · 05-10-2016 12:19PM #1

Home secretary Amber Rudd says she will “flush out” employers who fail to recruit locally, as she defended her speech to the Conservative conference in which she called on business to employ fewer foreigners.

“We set policy to encourage businesses, obviously to make a profit and be successful, but also to have a responsibility to local employment, ” she told the BBC Today Programme.
“We’re asking them to join us on this journey, so they don’t automatically go abroad, where its cheaper perhaps and sometimes they feel, more efficient. I want them to work more locally.”

Ms Rudd’s conference speech has been criticised by business groups. Adam Marshall of the Chambers of Commerce said “a lot of businesses would be saddened if they felt that having a global workforce was somehow seen as a badge of shame.”

She said her suggestion that companies publish a record of how many foreigners they employ was “one of the things we’re going to look at”. But she added: “It’s not something we’re definitely going to do. It’s one of the tools we’re going to use in the review to see if we can use it as a way of nudging people to do better behaviour.”

Appalling xenophobia from uk's government lately.
I don’t recall the Irish faring too well in the UK in the pre-EU days, and i don’t expect them to fare too well in the post EU days either. It’s sad.

I’d also point out however that 125,000 British live and work in this country. And millions of Brits live on the continent. So they’re not doing themselves any favours with their jingoistic nonsense!

Mod-Title altered to make sense.

Carlos Orange · 05-10-2016 12:21PM

JL2106 wrote: »

So they’re not doing themselves any favours with their jingoistic nonsense!

Do you know what jingoistic means?

A Little Pony · 05-10-2016 12:24PM

Good. British jobs for British workers.

El Weirdo · 05-10-2016 12:26PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Good. British jobs for British workers.

Like this guy.

Harry Palmr · 05-10-2016 12:27PM

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

wes · 05-10-2016 12:28PM

Great opportunity for Ireland to poach multi-nationals, who will have a hard time hiring top talent in the UK, as I doubt they will like to be put on quasi-facsist lists.

If our government has any common sense, we can use the increasingly racist Brexit Britain to our advantage, to poach jobs and FDI from the UK. Surely, no multi-national would want to deal with such insane bloody nonsense.

elefant · 05-10-2016 12:32PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

The idea of publishing numbers of foreign workers as a way of 'nudging people to do better behaviour' (Did she really phrase it like that? Is English her first language?) is nonsense though. Having non-UK workers isn't 'doing bad behaviour', and the fact that someone in her position could suggest that is actually sad.

A Little Pony · 05-10-2016 12:32PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

Spot on. Too many lazy British people but I also believe the opportunities aren't being given to enough native citizens too and the chance to hire cheap foreign labour who are frankly treated like utter sh*t.

wes · 05-10-2016 12:32PM

Oh and they will probably harass non-white British nationals as well. Its already happening to school children:

Non-white schoolchildren asked to provide proof they are not asylum seekers

BoJack Horseman · 05-10-2016 12:32PM

Aren't work permits only granted once the employer demonstrates that there is a skill shortage locally of they were unable to recruit locally?

I thought that was the case in Ireland at least?

gandalf · 05-10-2016 12:35PM

If Brexit wasn't making the MNCs in the UK nervous enough this will probably be the straw that broke the camels back. As wes said above the bureaucratic overhead this will generate will put a lot of pressure on companies. It's almost as if the UK want not only to drive Johnny Foreigner from their shores but also foreign companies.

Also it's very short sighted as a lot of UK citizens live and work in EU countries. If they treat EU citizens badly you can be full sure it will be reciprocated to their citizens in EU countries.

The populist politics of stupidity is spreading!

Harry Palmr · 05-10-2016 12:37PM

elefant wrote: »

The idea of publishing numbers of foreign workers as a way of 'nudging people to do better behaviour' (Did she really phrase it like that? Is English her first language?) is nonsense though. Having non-UK workers isn't 'doing bad behaviour', and the fact that someone in her position could suggest that is actually sad.

Whatever about the ministers use of language one knows rhetoric and reality are some distance apart. By the time what she intends is implemented it'll look quite different.

Oh look -

The scheme was one of several under consideration and “not something we’re definitely going to do”, Rudd admitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/amber-rudd-defends-proposal-to-make-firms-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers

andekwarhola · 05-10-2016 12:41PM

JL2106 wrote: »

Ms Rudd’s conference speech has been criticised by business groups. Adam Marshall of the Chambers of Commerce said “a lot of businesses would be saddened if they felt that having a global workforce was somehow seen as a badge of shame.”

Deeply concerned, no doubt, about multiculturalism as opposed to the cheapest labour possible

wes · 05-10-2016 12:45PM

gandalf wrote: »

Also it's very short sighted as a lot of UK citizens live and work in EU countries. If they treat EU citizens badly you can be full sure it will be reciprocated to their citizens in EU countries.

I hope we don't. I think we should treat any UK citizens who live, work and study in the EU with respect.

Now, I understand that we will of course have to reciprocate any immigration stuff, but we shouldn't adopt any of nuttier stuff that the UK are now embracing.

keeponhurling · 05-10-2016 12:55PM

Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it.

It's easy to criticise a foreign country through Irish eyes

elefant · 05-10-2016 12:58PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Whatever about the ministers use of language one knows rhetoric and reality are some distance apart. By the time what she intends is implemented it'll look quite different.

Oh look -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/amber-rudd-defends-proposal-to-make-firms-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers

The fact that she would even suggest such a measure, though, is worrying to me.

For someone in her position to be painting non-UK workers in such a negative way just seems so backwards.

JL2106 · 05-10-2016 01:08PM

"Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it."

Per capita, Ireland has a larger immigrant population than the UK.

VinLieger · 05-10-2016 01:10PM

Such disgusting pandering to the lowest common denominator in british society. Good luck holding onto multinationals with this kind of attitude.

Next step will be quotas, watch this space

Water John · 05-10-2016 01:15PM

It was a disturbing speech. Seems to be causing a stir in the UK too.
Disappointing direction.
Wait until they get into hardball negotiations with the EU beauracracy. UK won't come out winners of that brawl.

Geuze · 05-10-2016 01:32PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Aren't work permits only granted once the employer demonstrates that there is a skill shortage locally of they were unable to recruit locally?

I thought that was the case in Ireland at least?

How then can we explain Turkish barbers in many Irish towns?

How are so many non-EU workers getting into the country?

Given that there are 316,000 people on the Live Register, why are we importing non-EU workers?

I support severe restrictions on non-EU workers.

AnGaelach · 05-10-2016 01:42PM

keeponhurling wrote:

Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it.

We do have as high a level of immigration as them though. It just so happens most of our migrants are from the EU (and thus contributing to the economy), and a significant portion of theirs are from outside the EU who have a history of being net losses to the economy (why they blame the EU for their incompetent immigration laws I have no idea).

I personally believe jobs in a country should be given to natives first, and if there are no natives qualified or willing to work for those positions, then employ foreign workers. It shouldn't be a simple "what will cost me less" mentality.

weldoninhio · 05-10-2016 01:45PM

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

VinLieger · 05-10-2016 01:47PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

Le sigh, sure why let facts get in the way of ignorant grandstanding rhetoric

wes · 05-10-2016 01:51PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Le sigh, sure why let facts get in the way of ignorant grandstanding rhetoric

Don't you know there sick of experts, facts, and objective reality. Its something I like to call going full Farage

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the dark phantom · 05-10-2016 01:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

As a Brit once told me " If we sent all the Irish home, Their island would sink".

AnGaelach · 05-10-2016 01:59PM

wes wrote:

Don't you know there sick of experts, facts, and objective reality.

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Water John · 05-10-2016 02:14PM

If none of us were using his good services, the Turkish barber wouldn't be able to make a living here. Its the free choice we use. With our feet we are saying we have no problem with him.

wes · 05-10-2016 02:33PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Yeah, being against quasi-fascist lists of foreigners. The dastards! Whatever next! A far wage for a far days work. That is sheer communism, surely!

VinLieger · 05-10-2016 02:38PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Ahh yes cus to be against lists singling out specific sections of society is central to only the ideology of the left and not at all how anyone simply against ignorance and fascism would think

Water John · 05-10-2016 02:40PM

The Cons in the UK are being walked into very dangerous territory but the mad right.

A Little Pony · 05-10-2016 02:41PM

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

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