UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

JL2106

Home secretary Amber Rudd says she will “flush out” employers who fail to recruit locally, as she defended her speech to the Conservative conference in which she called on business to employ fewer foreigners.

“We set policy to encourage businesses, obviously to make a profit and be successful, but also to have a responsibility to local employment, ” she told the BBC Today Programme.
“We’re asking them to join us on this journey, so they don’t automatically go abroad, where its cheaper perhaps and sometimes they feel, more efficient. I want them to work more locally.”

Ms Rudd’s conference speech has been criticised by business groups. Adam Marshall of the Chambers of Commerce said “a lot of businesses would be saddened if they felt that having a global workforce was somehow seen as a badge of shame.”

She said her suggestion that companies publish a record of how many foreigners they employ was “one of the things we’re going to look at”. But she added: “It’s not something we’re definitely going to do. It’s one of the tools we’re going to use in the review to see if we can use it as a way of nudging people to do better behaviour.”

Appalling xenophobia from uk's government lately.
I don’t recall the Irish faring too well in the UK in the pre-EU days, and i don’t expect them to fare too well in the post EU days either. It’s sad.

I’d also point out however that 125,000 British live and work in this country. And millions of Brits live on the continent. So they’re not doing themselves any favours with their jingoistic nonsense!


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Carlos Orange

JL2106 wrote: »

So they’re not doing themselves any favours with their jingoistic nonsense!

Do you know what jingoistic means?

A Little Pony

Good. British jobs for British workers.

El Weirdo

A Little Pony wrote: »

Good. British jobs for British workers.

Like this guy.

Harry Palmr

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

wes

Great opportunity for Ireland to poach multi-nationals, who will have a hard time hiring top talent in the UK, as I doubt they will like to be put on quasi-facsist lists.

If our government has any common sense, we can use the increasingly racist Brexit Britain to our advantage, to poach jobs and FDI from the UK. Surely, no multi-national would want to deal with such insane bloody nonsense.

elefant

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

The idea of publishing numbers of foreign workers as a way of 'nudging people to do better behaviour' (Did she really phrase it like that? Is English her first language?) is nonsense though. Having non-UK workers isn't 'doing bad behaviour', and the fact that someone in her position could suggest that is actually sad.

A Little Pony

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It seem reasonable that people who are native are employed to the greatest level possible - not all jobs can be filled but everyone knows that there are employers now esp in certain sectors who view Poles etc as the default employee. Obviously its a two way street - the British need to be ready to get muck under their nails for the minimum wage.

Spot on. Too many lazy British people but I also believe the opportunities aren't being given to enough native citizens too and the chance to hire cheap foreign labour who are frankly treated like utter sh*t.

wes

Oh and they will probably harass non-white British nationals as well. Its already happening to school children:

Non-white schoolchildren asked to provide proof they are not asylum seekers

BoJack Horseman

Aren't work permits only granted once the employer demonstrates that there is a skill shortage locally of they were unable to recruit locally?

I thought that was the case in Ireland at least?

gandalf

If Brexit wasn't making the MNCs in the UK nervous enough this will probably be the straw that broke the camels back. As wes said above the bureaucratic overhead this will generate will put a lot of pressure on companies. It's almost as if the UK want not only to drive Johnny Foreigner from their shores but also foreign companies.

Also it's very short sighted as a lot of UK citizens live and work in EU countries. If they treat EU citizens badly you can be full sure it will be reciprocated to their citizens in EU countries.

The populist politics of stupidity is spreading!

Harry Palmr

elefant wrote: »

The idea of publishing numbers of foreign workers as a way of 'nudging people to do better behaviour' (Did she really phrase it like that? Is English her first language?) is nonsense though. Having non-UK workers isn't 'doing bad behaviour', and the fact that someone in her position could suggest that is actually sad.

Whatever about the ministers use of language one knows rhetoric and reality are some distance apart. By the time what she intends is implemented it'll look quite different.

Oh look -

The scheme was one of several under consideration and “not something we’re definitely going to do”, Rudd admitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/amber-rudd-defends-proposal-to-make-firms-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers

andekwarhola

JL2106 wrote: »

Ms Rudd’s conference speech has been criticised by business groups. Adam Marshall of the Chambers of Commerce said “a lot of businesses would be saddened if they felt that having a global workforce was somehow seen as a badge of shame.”

Deeply concerned, no doubt, about multiculturalism as opposed to the cheapest labour possible

wes

gandalf wrote: »

Also it's very short sighted as a lot of UK citizens live and work in EU countries. If they treat EU citizens badly you can be full sure it will be reciprocated to their citizens in EU countries.

I hope we don't. I think we should treat any UK citizens who live, work and study in the EU with respect.

Now, I understand that we will of course have to reciprocate any immigration stuff, but we shouldn't adopt any of nuttier stuff that the UK are now embracing.

keeponhurling

Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it.

It's easy to criticise a foreign country through Irish eyes

elefant

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Whatever about the ministers use of language one knows rhetoric and reality are some distance apart. By the time what she intends is implemented it'll look quite different.

Oh look -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/amber-rudd-defends-proposal-to-make-firms-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers

The fact that she would even suggest such a measure, though, is worrying to me.

For someone in her position to be painting non-UK workers in such a negative way just seems so backwards.

JL2106

"Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it."

Per capita, Ireland has a larger immigrant population than the UK.

VinLieger

Such disgusting pandering to the lowest common denominator in british society. Good luck holding onto multinationals with this kind of attitude.

Next step will be quotas, watch this space

Water John

It was a disturbing speech. Seems to be causing a stir in the UK too.
Disappointing direction.
Wait until they get into hardball negotiations with the EU beauracracy. UK won't come out winners of that brawl.

Geuze

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Aren't work permits only granted once the employer demonstrates that there is a skill shortage locally of they were unable to recruit locally?

I thought that was the case in Ireland at least?

How then can we explain Turkish barbers in many Irish towns?

How are so many non-EU workers getting into the country?

Given that there are 316,000 people on the Live Register, why are we importing non-EU workers?

I support severe restrictions on non-EU workers.

AnGaelach

keeponhurling wrote:

Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it.

We do have as high a level of immigration as them though. It just so happens most of our migrants are from the EU (and thus contributing to the economy), and a significant portion of theirs are from outside the EU who have a history of being net losses to the economy (why they blame the EU for their incompetent immigration laws I have no idea).

I personally believe jobs in a country should be given to natives first, and if there are no natives qualified or willing to work for those positions, then employ foreign workers. It shouldn't be a simple "what will cost me less" mentality.

weldoninhio

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

VinLieger

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

Le sigh, sure why let facts get in the way of ignorant grandstanding rhetoric

wes

VinLieger wrote: »

Le sigh, sure why let facts get in the way of ignorant grandstanding rhetoric

Don't you know there sick of experts, facts, and objective reality. Its something I like to call going full Farage .

the dark phantom

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fair play to her. About time someone stood up to the namby-pamby brigade. It's a pity we and others are so behind the curve. Once we are swarmed by migrants that Europe force on us we'll see how right Britain is.

As a Brit once told me " If we sent all the Irish home, Their island would sink".

AnGaelach

wes wrote:

Don't you know there sick of experts, facts, and objective reality.

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Water John

If none of us were using his good services, the Turkish barber wouldn't be able to make a living here. Its the free choice we use. With our feet we are saying we have no problem with him.

wes

AnGaelach wrote: »

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Yeah, being against quasi-fascist lists of foreigners. The dastards! Whatever next! A far wage for a far days work. That is sheer communism, surely!

VinLieger

AnGaelach wrote: »

Don't forget the arrogance and moral high-horse position claimed by the left.

Ahh yes cus to be against lists singling out specific sections of society is central to only the ideology of the left and not at all how anyone simply against ignorance and fascism would think

Water John

The Cons in the UK are being walked into very dangerous territory but the mad right.

A Little Pony

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

The Wolverine

This isn't so much about educated EU or say US workers in big multinationals as it's more going after the Mike Ashley's and Sports direct and other factories who almost exclusively hire non natives, such as paying the likes of unskilled polish people feck all and hounding them out of it like slaves as like in 99% of nations the natives know their rights compared to most immigrants.

I see nothing wrong with jobs for British first, the biggest fears and cries here will be from business losing out on the practical slave labour and the bad PR that goes with it. Sports direct got an awful tarnishing after their worker treatment practises were outed.

VinLieger

A Little Pony wrote: »

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

I don't think you understand what fascism is......

wes

A Little Pony wrote: »

Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

Someone doesn't understand fascism. BTW, the big petition was started by a leaver .

AnGaelach

wes wrote:

Yeah, being against quasi-fascist lists of foreigners. The dastards! Whatever next! A far wage for a far days work. That is sheer communism, surely!

More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue. If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?

VinLieger wrote:

Ahh yes cus to be against lists singling out specific sections of society is central to only the ideology of the left and not at all how anyone simply against ignorance and fascism would think

Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.

wes

The Wolverine wrote: »

This isn't so much about educated EU or say US workers in big multinationals

The law will still effect them, and I can't see educated EU and US workers wanting to move to Britain and work there, and be put on a foreigner hit list.

wes

AnGaelach wrote: »

More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue.

No, humour with your lot, I see. Did the left steal your lunch money or kill your puppy or something?

AnGaelach wrote: »

If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?

When the right makes quasi-fascist lists itS the other guys fault. No responsibility for your own idea's and policies. Its always someone else fault, be it Johnny Foreigner, the EU or the Left.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.

When, you start making a hit list of foreigners, then your a fascist. Do keep up, old bean.

VinLieger

AnGaelach wrote: »

More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue. If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?



Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.

No your a fascist when you start looking to make a list of people who have entered a country legally and are working legally so you can then point to and blame them for everything wrong with your country

AnGaelach

wes wrote:

No, humour with your lot, I see. Did the left steal lunch money or kill your puppy or something?

It just wasn't a very good joke.

wes wrote:

When the right makes quasi-fascist lists it the other guys fault. No responsibility for your own idea's and policies. Its always someone else fault, be it Johnny Foreigner, the EU or the Left.

Nobody paid attention to the Right-wing in Europe for decades. Their views have not changed. Do you think people are just magically more afraid of foreigners for absolutely no reason? Don't be utterly ridiculous, if the Left had moderated its stance on immigration instead of trotting out the "thats wacist" line, the right wouldn't have made a comeback on the political stage.

wes wrote:

When, you start making a hit list of foreigners, then your a fascist. Do keep up, old bean.

Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?

AnGaelach

VinLieger wrote:

No your a fascist when you start looking to make a list of people who have entered a country legally and are working legally so you can then point to and blame them for everything wrong with your country

That's not fascist, that's just being a populist cúnt, but alright.

ScumLord

Geuze wrote: »

How then can we explain Turkish barbers in many Irish towns?

I guess people like them more than Irish barbers. That's how capitalism works.

How are so many non-EU workers getting into the country?

Airports and ferry ports most likely.

Given that there are 316,000 people on the Live Register, why are we importing non-EU workers?

Because those 316,000 people are clearly lazy and we need replacements.

I support severe restrictions on non-EU workers.

Yeah me too, they keep turning up in all the budget places I insist on going to. It's like they're following me around.

VinLieger

AnGaelach wrote: »

Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?

But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

alchemist33

VinLieger wrote: »

But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

And it's not even about illegal immigration, but people who are lawfully in the UK! The current government are heading more and more right wing, fuelled by the Brexit referendum and their cheerleaders in the press.

AnGaelach

VinLieger wrote:

But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

The two issues go hand in hand. People don't like immigration because it resulted in the depressing of their earnings. The left didn't listen to that, so now they're turning to the people who will listen - the right. I have no doubt there's xenophobes and racists lurking around looking for an opportunity, but they've always been there. What has changed is that the workers, the ones whose grandfathers went to die fighting the Nazis, feel abandoned by the liberals in favour of not hurting people's feelings.

wes

AnGaelach wrote: »

It just wasn't a very good joke.

Your sense of humour clearly died, after the left killed your puppy and stole your lunch money, that wet September morning.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Nobody paid attention to the Right-wing in Europe for decades. Their views have not changed. Do you think people are just magically more afraid of foreigners for absolutely no reason? Don't be utterly ridiculous, if the Left had moderated its stance on immigration instead of trotting out the "thats wacist" line, the right wouldn't have made a comeback on the political stage.

You will find the great recession, was the cause of resurgence of the right, as well as failure of globalism to share the spoils equally among everyone. The policy failure was a neo-conservative one, and not a left wing one.

People yearning for a fictional imagined past, is a fairly common reaction to the failure of neo-conservatism. You see it amongst the European Far Right, and the Far Right Islamist alike. These ideologues are being given a free pass by you. They are taking advantage of the current failures, but they and there followers are adults and as such are responsible for themselves.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?

Well, when you decide to make a list of foreigners hired by companies, for the purpose of shaming them, then yeah the term hit list is appropriate, as you want a hit list of companies to shame. This isn't about limiting immigration. Its about shaming companies, and humiliating foreigners. Its a small petty and quite frankly pathetic bit of fascism, from a bunch of humourless people who want to blame everyone else on there problems.

Chips Lovell

I love immigrants, but I don't know if I could eat a whole one.

VinLieger

AnGaelach wrote: »

The two issues go hand in hand. People don't like immigration because it resulted in the depressing of their earnings. The left didn't listen to that, so now they're turning to the people who will listen - the right. I have no doubt there's xenophobes and racists lurking around looking for an opportunity, but they've always been there. What has changed is that the workers, the ones whose grandfathers went to die fighting the Nazis, feel abandoned by the liberals in favour of not hurting people's feelings.

You think their grandparents would be happy to see a list of foreigners being drawn up in such a way?

Also congrats on being the first one to godwin the thread, i cant believe it was someone supporting the list who did it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

AnGaelach

wes wrote:

You will find the great recession, was the cause of resurgence of the right, as well as failure of globalism to share the spoils equally among everyone. The policy failure was a neo-conservative one, and not a left wing one.

The SD in Sweden preceded the recession, they were making significant gains from about 2006 onwards. Of course globalism being unequal was a huge factor, and liberal immigration policies is one of the cornerstones of globalism. It's the neo-Conservatives that want to limit migration and are riding the wave against globalism.

wes wrote:

People yearning for a fictional imagined past, is a fairly common reaction to the failure of neo-conservatism. You see it amongst the European Far Right, and the Far Right Islamist alike. These ideologues are being given a free pass by you. They are taking advantage of the current failures, but they and there followers are adults and as such are responsible for themselves.

What imagined past is that? Are you trying to say Germany has always been 5% Muslim?

wes wrote:

Well, when you decide to make a list of foreigners hired by companies, for the purpose of shaming them, then yeah the term hit list is appropriate, as you want a hit list of companies to shame. This isn't about limiting immigration. Its about shaming companies, and humiliating foreigners. Its a small petty and quite frankly pathetic bit of fascism, from a bunch of humourless people who want to blame everyone else on there problems.

Again, limiting immigration and securing "British jobs for British people" (whatever that means) go hand in hand. An immigrant having a job in the UK is the direct consequence of immigration laws it literally goes in the name, saying they're two separate issues is ridiculous.

AnGaelach

VinLieger wrote:

You think their grandparents would be happy to see a list of foreigners being drawn up in such a way?

You think they're happy that the people listening to them are people they despise?

VinLieger wrote:

Also congrats on being the first one to godwin the thread, i cant believe it was someone supporting the list who did it

Yeah, because calling everything "fascist" isn't Godwin-ing at all, sure it isn't?

VinLieger

AnGaelach wrote: »

You think they're happy that the people listening to them are people they despise?



Yeah, because calling everything "fascist" isn't Godwin-ing at all, sure it isn't?

Nope there's been many fascists dictatorships however you specifically referenced Nazi's so you get the prize

AnGaelach

VinLieger wrote:

Nope there's been many fascists dictatorships however you specifically referenced Nazi's so you get the prize

And when you say "fascist" what's the first thing you think of? You're acting like a child.