Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

phil1nj wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster (well this year anyway). Have hit a problem since the mileage has starated to increase. My feet are giving me awful problems with both blisters and burning of the soles. Have put a lot of miles in over the past few months with no problems but the past two weeks have seen a sharp increase in foot discomfort. Have tried changing socks and using powder to no avail. I'm using two different pairs of trainers and the problem is present with both trainers and with different dri fit type socks. Any suggestions for different things to try? My LSR this week was a struggle due to this and it wasn't something I even considered as being a potential problem. Help!!!

Hi there, have gone through spells of issues like this. What is working very well for at the moment is moisturizing my feet every day with a cream with 10% urea in it. Can't recall the brand but got it in Boots. Also changing from 1000 mile fusion socks to the thinnest socks I could get. Currently using Nike performance socks and working very well.

The Black Oil wrote: »

Shall we say 9am? I'm down for 20m, say 10:45-11:15 min/mi would suit me. Are we going to do some of the course or a few laps of the park?

9am sounds good. Doing 3 laps of the park might actually be the worst, maybe the course would be more beneficial. Suggestions on this are welcome! We could start at the 5 mile marker but where to go from there?

I'm sure there will be other sub 4 takers to run with you, I'll be behind though at a cool 12.30 pace. Looking at that number written down I'm nearly sure I could walk faster than that, however a few miles into a run it's only just comfortable.

All or nothing wrote: »

Hi Budhistmonk,
I had my second visit to the physio yesterday regarding my plantar fasciitis. She did a lot of work on both my feet. She thinks the runners could be part of the problem but it's too late now to change them. As I wear orthotics she suggested I try run without them as the runners plus the orthotics are offering too much support. I did the 7 mile run tonight, not too much pain. I've been doing stretches 2 or 3 times a day. Seems to be doing the trick. Thanks for the link to that video I might give the stretches in it a go. Good luck with your run tomorrow.

crogerso wrote: »

BuddhistMonk I am in the same boat as you with the foot pain. Went out for my 5 miles last night and around mile 3 I could feel the pain in my arch of my foot and my lower calf. Around mile 4 I got a sharp pain in my heel that lasted about 3 minutes and then went away. Pain in my arch however is lingering so I am taking a rest tonight with ice and stretching. From my visit with the physio at the weekend I am confident that with stretching, rest and ice I can get back on the road tomorrow but will see how it feels. Certainly not going to risk aggrevating it this evening as much as I'd love to get the paced run in.
Hope yours feels better soon.
(Also I have attempted to reply with quote but can't seem to work it....)

Hi guys, Sorry to hear your in the same boat (but glad I am not alone )

I have an old workmate of mine who is a really good PT in Monaghan. He is very runner focused and is an ex-international runner himself so I trust him very much. I had a good chat with him yesterday about it. He explained that the fascia, which is inflamed, will respond well to heat and friction. He told me the stretching I am doing is exactly what he would recommend (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hauyuX-uCq8 ). He said that knowing I have the marathon in under 4 weeks his recommendation would be to continue with my plan once the discomfort mostly disappears a mile or two into each run. He suggested that I limit any speed work which is not a problem at all for me as I do not have any in my plan. He said the only alternative would be to stop training and continue the rehab and even then it would not be guaranteed to be gone by race day but I would be guaranteed to have missed over 3 weeks of training. So better to continue and put up with the discomfort for a mile or two which is exactly how my 5m run was last night. For me it's a very mild manageable discomfort so no problem at all. I was more worried about doing more damage or it getting worse so he put my mind at ease. Once I got home last night I performed the rehab and then gently rolled it on a frozen ice bottle.

Also, I wear a old pair of running shoes around the house to get the best possible shoe support for my arches. He told me to avoid walking barefoot or in unsupported shoes (e.g. slippers) as much as possible.

I don't have orthotics as you do AoN but might be worth trying without them though I'd watch that it doesn't affect somewhere else up the chain (you wouldn't want to tear a calf or hammer at this stage). Agreed re. not changing shoes at this stage though I mentioned this to my friend and he said if you ran in new shoes from now to race day you should easily have them broken in.

Anyway probably best to follow your own physio / PTs advice but thought I share in case it was useful.

budhistmonk wrote: »

Hi guys, Sorry to hear your in the same boat (but glad I am not alone )

I have an old workmate of mine who is a really good PT in Monaghan. He is very runner focused and is an ex-international runner himself so I trust him very much. I had a good chat with him yesterday about it. He explained that the fascia, which is inflamed, will respond well to heat and friction. He told me the stretching I am doing is exactly what he would recommend (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hauyuX-uCq8 ). He said that knowing I have the marathon in under 4 weeks his recommendation would be to continue with my plan once the discomfort mostly disappears a mile or two into each run. He suggested that I limit any speed work which is not a problem at all for me as I do not have any in my plan. He said the only alternative would be to stop training and continue the rehab and even then it would not be guaranteed to be gone by race day but I would be guaranteed to have missed over 3 weeks of training. So better to continue and put up with the discomfort for a mile or two which is exactly how my 5m run was last night. For me it's a very mild manageable discomfort so no problem at all. I was more worried about doing more damage or it getting worse so he put my mind at ease. Once I got home last night I performed the rehab and then gently rolled it on a frozen ice bottle.

Also, I wear a old pair of running shoes around the house to get the best possible shoe support for my arches. He told me to avoid walking barefoot or in unsupported shoes (e.g. slippers) as much as possible.

I don't have orthotics as you do AoN but might be worth trying without them though I'd watch that it doesn't affect somewhere else up the chain (you wouldn't want to tear a calf or hammer at this stage). Agreed re. not changing shoes at this stage though I mentioned this to my friend and he said if you ran in new shoes from now to race day you should easily have them broken in.

Anyway probably best to follow your own physio / PTs advice but thought I share in case it was useful.

Had a go at that Plantar stretch yesterday , found it good, thanks for sharing it. I get the odd niggle in my left foot, have done since I started running. I usually do heel drops when I feel it and find them good.

I can finally say I am ready - Bring it on !
Did my LSR yesterday - all exactly as I will be doing on the day from what I am wearing to what I am eating etc.
I had planned to do 32km but met in with 2 others - they are sub 3 hour men and they kindly ran a little bit with me before they got really bored with my pace - but anyway it added a bit to my run so ended up doing 35km
35km - 3hr 52 at a 6.35/km pace - to say I am thrilled is an understatement - it gave me a huge boost of confidence and I can finally say I can do this .
My cold is almost gone - I think I blew away every snot in my body yesterday - tissues all over the place .
No aches today which is always a plus so now I just need to tick along till the big day.
As you can see I am feeling very optimistic today - wait till the week before and I will be a quivering wreck with nerves.

kabuxa wrote: »

I was feeling ignored by all of you and I checked my message and apparently didnt go through!!!! ;0)))

I was saying that went to physio as per nop's advise and calf got much better. I did the 19 miles of the Marathon route from Phoenix park.. felt really good until we started downhill. No idea where I was, close to Stillorgan bypass. Oh the pain. Stopped... walked for a bit and got better. Kept running and I finished. It is not so bad but not great. Physio tomorrow again.

I was answering to Fitza that I will do the 3/4 on Sunday.

I won't do Sat because of Sun AND because you are too fast ;0D but I could meet you afterwards. What time do you think you will finish and where.

I asked as well about compression socks. They work but at the top of leg it is too tight. Any ideas? I dont think I need a bigger size but what can I do?

Thanks!

Hi Kabuxa, might see you there on Sunday...what time are you planning to do?

budhistmonk wrote: »

Hi guys, Sorry to hear your in the same boat (but glad I am not alone )

I have an old workmate of mine who is a really good PT in Monaghan. He is very runner focused and is an ex-international runner himself so I trust him very much. I had a good chat with him yesterday about it. He explained that the fascia, which is inflamed, will respond well to heat and friction. He told me the stretching I am doing is exactly what he would recommend (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hauyuX-uCq8 ). He said that knowing I have the marathon in under 4 weeks his recommendation would be to continue with my plan once the discomfort mostly disappears a mile or two into each run. He suggested that I limit any speed work which is not a problem at all for me as I do not have any in my plan. He said the only alternative would be to stop training and continue the rehab and even then it would not be guaranteed to be gone by race day but I would be guaranteed to have missed over 3 weeks of training. So better to continue and put up with the discomfort for a mile or two which is exactly how my 5m run was last night. For me it's a very mild manageable discomfort so no problem at all. I was more worried about doing more damage or it getting worse so he put my mind at ease. Once I got home last night I performed the rehab and then gently rolled it on a frozen ice bottle.

Also, I wear a old pair of running shoes around the house to get the best possible shoe support for my arches. He told me to avoid walking barefoot or in unsupported shoes (e.g. slippers) as much as possible.

I don't have orthotics as you do AoN but might be worth trying without them though I'd watch that it doesn't affect somewhere else up the chain (you wouldn't want to tear a calf or hammer at this stage). Agreed re. not changing shoes at this stage though I mentioned this to my friend and he said if you ran in new shoes from now to race day you should easily have them broken in.

Anyway probably best to follow your own physio / PTs advice but thought I share in case it was useful.

Thanks for the advice budhistmonk. I did my 7 mile run last night. Woke up this morning and my left foot was very sore. I did the full routine from the video you posted earlier, found it good. I've been rolling it with the frozen bottle, I've also
started going from the cold straight into hot water for a while and then back to frozen bottle again. I'm not sure was it the pace I ran at last night or the fact that I ran without the orthotics that caused me so much pain. Should have waited for a short run before I tried to run without them. Did the 3 miles recovery tonight with the orthotics back in. Now I'm not sure what to do. I'm half thinking will I go and buy a new pair of runners tomorrow. Then do I wear them in the 18 mile run on Saturday?

JackieChan wrote: »

Agree with you kin9pin. It makes sense to start off with a few shorter runs to ensure runners are bedded in before taking them on an epic long run
They could then be used on the next long run if there are no problems with them.

I'm in the same boat that I need to get another pair....better get off my ass and buy them!

That sounds like a good plan. Thanks guys.

A Neurotic wrote: »

Right, apologies for the delay in getting back to ye on this. Here's everyone I can see who's expressed interest:

Extrasupervery - 20m @ 12.30 (who is happy to run without a pace buddy as she is "interminibly slow")
kittyclaws - 20m @ 11.30 or slower
The Black Oil - 20m @ 10.45 - 11.15
A Neurotic - 20m @ 10.00 - 10.30
Pomplamousse - ?20m @ 10.30
Maximus - 18m @ 9.45 - 10.30
TheMuppet
kin9pin

Have I missed anyone? Didn't spot planned milage or paces for TheMuppet or kin9pin, sorry if I missed them! Anyone else who may be interested is of course more than welcome.

From an eyeball it seems that a ~10.30 pace would accommodate Maximus, Pomplamousse, and myself. Unfortunately there's not a huge amount of overlap with the other planned paces. Is there much flexibility with the paces posted?

It would be nice for the whole group to meet anyway. We can arrange to meet at 9am to start and maybe afterwards too for flapjacks and LSR reports.



This seems like a good route taking in a lot of the marathon route. We can trim the distance as required (starting at the Hole in the Wall already cuts off most of mile 1).

Thoughts?

I'm in and 9am at Hole in the wall pub sounds good. I unexpectedly managed to do last Saturday's 20 mile run, so I'm going to stick to the Boards plan's 18 miles tomorrow.
I've been having some problems with muscle tightness in my left leg since the 20 miler last week so if I need to slow down (or stop in order to massage the crap out of my legs:o), I'll just let you guys go ahead of me.
I'm happy with any route but I'll need to work it out so that I don't end up going over 18 miles. Sure I can figure that out in the morning when I know what route you 20 miler people are doing.

Sports massage booked for Monday and despite the impending torture, I cannot wait.

Sorry I won't make the meetup. Planning to finish my 18 miler with a parkrun. However, I'll be trundling along the marathon route from the azoo through Castleknock Gate from 8:35-9:00 or thereabouts, so will look out for any early arrivals! Best of luck, and let the rest of us know how you get on