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UK home secretary Rudd says she will ‘flush out’ employers that don’t hire locally

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  • #32
    The Wolverine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭The Wolverine


    This isn't so much about educated EU or say US workers in big multinationals as it's more going after the Mike Ashley's and Sports direct and other factories who almost exclusively hire non natives, such as paying the likes of unskilled polish people feck all and hounding them out of it like slaves as like in 99% of nations the natives know their rights compared to most immigrants.

    I see nothing wrong with jobs for British first, the biggest fears and cries here will be from business losing out on the practical slave labour and the bad PR that goes with it. Sports direct got an awful tarnishing after their worker treatment practises were outed.


  • #33
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

    I don't think you understand what fascism is......


  • #34
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

    Someone doesn't understand fascism. BTW, the big petition was started by a leaver :D.


  • #35
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    wes wrote:
    Yeah, being against quasi-fascist lists of foreigners. The dastards! Whatever next! A far wage for a far days work. That is sheer communism, surely!

    More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue. If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?
    VinLieger wrote:
    Ahh yes cus to be against lists singling out specific sections of society is central to only the ideology of the left and not at all how anyone simply against ignorance and fascism would think

    Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.


  • #36
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The Wolverine wrote: »
    This isn't so much about educated EU or say US workers in big multinationals

    The law will still effect them, and I can't see educated EU and US workers wanting to move to Britain and work there, and be put on a foreigner hit list.


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  • #37
    wes
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue.

    No, humour with your lot, I see. Did the left steal your lunch money or kill your puppy or something?
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?

    When the right makes quasi-fascist lists itS the other guys fault. No responsibility for your own idea's and policies. Its always someone else fault, be it Johnny Foreigner, the EU or the Left.
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.

    When, you start making a hit list of foreigners, then your a fascist. Do keep up, old bean.


  • #38
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    More to do with the whole "fingers-in-my-ears" mentality the pro-immigrant lobby have than this issue. If the Left had been reasonable about immigration, instead of favouring more and more liberalising of the laws, do you think anyone would've listened to the Right?



    Ah yes, because when you don't think immigration is a natural right and requires the satisfaction of criteria, you're fascist.

    No your a fascist when you start looking to make a list of people who have entered a country legally and are working legally so you can then point to and blame them for everything wrong with your country


  • #39
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    wes wrote:
    No, humour with your lot, I see. Did the left steal lunch money or kill your puppy or something?

    It just wasn't a very good joke.
    wes wrote:
    When the right makes quasi-fascist lists it the other guys fault. No responsibility for your own idea's and policies. Its always someone else fault, be it Johnny Foreigner, the EU or the Left.

    Nobody paid attention to the Right-wing in Europe for decades. Their views have not changed. Do you think people are just magically more afraid of foreigners for absolutely no reason? Don't be utterly ridiculous, if the Left had moderated its stance on immigration instead of trotting out the "thats wacist" line, the right wouldn't have made a comeback on the political stage.
    wes wrote:
    When, you start making a hit list of foreigners, then your a fascist. Do keep up, old bean.

    Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?


  • #40
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    VinLieger wrote:
    No your a fascist when you start looking to make a list of people who have entered a country legally and are working legally so you can then point to and blame them for everything wrong with your country

    That's not fascist, that's just being a populist cúnt, but alright.


  • #41
    ScumLord
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    Geuze wrote: »
    How then can we explain Turkish barbers in many Irish towns?
    I guess people like them more than Irish barbers. That's how capitalism works.
    How are so many non-EU workers getting into the country?
    Airports and ferry ports most likely.
    Given that there are 316,000 people on the Live Register, why are we importing non-EU workers?
    Because those 316,000 people are clearly lazy and we need replacements.
    I support severe restrictions on non-EU workers.
    Yeah me too, they keep turning up in all the budget places I insist on going to. It's like they're following me around.


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  • #42
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?

    But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"


  • #43
    alchemist33
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

    And it's not even about illegal immigration, but people who are lawfully in the UK! The current government are heading more and more right wing, fuelled by the Brexit referendum and their cheerleaders in the press.


  • #44
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    VinLieger wrote:
    But this isnt about restricting immigration its about punishing and shaming those who are already in the UK and employed by companies cus "dey tuk er jerbs"

    The two issues go hand in hand. People don't like immigration because it resulted in the depressing of their earnings. The left didn't listen to that, so now they're turning to the people who will listen - the right. I have no doubt there's xenophobes and racists lurking around looking for an opportunity, but they've always been there. What has changed is that the workers, the ones whose grandfathers went to die fighting the Nazis, feel abandoned by the liberals in favour of not hurting people's feelings.


  • #45
    wes
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    It just wasn't a very good joke.

    Your sense of humour clearly died, after the left killed your puppy and stole your lunch money, that wet September morning.
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Nobody paid attention to the Right-wing in Europe for decades. Their views have not changed. Do you think people are just magically more afraid of foreigners for absolutely no reason? Don't be utterly ridiculous, if the Left had moderated its stance on immigration instead of trotting out the "thats wacist" line, the right wouldn't have made a comeback on the political stage.

    You will find the great recession, was the cause of resurgence of the right, as well as failure of globalism to share the spoils equally among everyone. The policy failure was a neo-conservative one, and not a left wing one.

    People yearning for a fictional imagined past, is a fairly common reaction to the failure of neo-conservatism. You see it amongst the European Far Right, and the Far Right Islamist alike. These ideologues are being given a free pass by you. They are taking advantage of the current failures, but they and there followers are adults and as such are responsible for themselves.
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Why do you keep using the word hit list, do you think people who want to restrict immigration like me keep a little black book of everyone with a different skin tone or accent and ride around in our vans with pipes and hammers?

    Well, when you decide to make a list of foreigners hired by companies, for the purpose of shaming them, then yeah the term hit list is appropriate, as you want a hit list of companies to shame. This isn't about limiting immigration. Its about shaming companies, and humiliating foreigners. Its a small petty and quite frankly pathetic bit of fascism, from a bunch of humourless people who want to blame everyone else on there problems.


  • #46
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I love immigrants, but I don't know if I could eat a whole one.


  • #47
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    The two issues go hand in hand. People don't like immigration because it resulted in the depressing of their earnings. The left didn't listen to that, so now they're turning to the people who will listen - the right. I have no doubt there's xenophobes and racists lurking around looking for an opportunity, but they've always been there. What has changed is that the workers, the ones whose grandfathers went to die fighting the Nazis, feel abandoned by the liberals in favour of not hurting people's feelings.

    You think their grandparents would be happy to see a list of foreigners being drawn up in such a way?

    Also congrats on being the first one to godwin the thread, i cant believe it was someone supporting the list who did it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #48
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    wes wrote:
    You will find the great recession, was the cause of resurgence of the right, as well as failure of globalism to share the spoils equally among everyone. The policy failure was a neo-conservative one, and not a left wing one.

    The SD in Sweden preceded the recession, they were making significant gains from about 2006 onwards. Of course globalism being unequal was a huge factor, and liberal immigration policies is one of the cornerstones of globalism. It's the neo-Conservatives that want to limit migration and are riding the wave against globalism.
    wes wrote:
    People yearning for a fictional imagined past, is a fairly common reaction to the failure of neo-conservatism. You see it amongst the European Far Right, and the Far Right Islamist alike. These ideologues are being given a free pass by you. They are taking advantage of the current failures, but they and there followers are adults and as such are responsible for themselves.

    What imagined past is that? Are you trying to say Germany has always been 5% Muslim?
    wes wrote:
    Well, when you decide to make a list of foreigners hired by companies, for the purpose of shaming them, then yeah the term hit list is appropriate, as you want a hit list of companies to shame. This isn't about limiting immigration. Its about shaming companies, and humiliating foreigners. Its a small petty and quite frankly pathetic bit of fascism, from a bunch of humourless people who want to blame everyone else on there problems.

    Again, limiting immigration and securing "British jobs for British people" (whatever that means) go hand in hand. An immigrant having a job in the UK is the direct consequence of immigration laws it literally goes in the name, saying they're two separate issues is ridiculous.


  • #49
    AnGaelach
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    VinLieger wrote:
    You think their grandparents would be happy to see a list of foreigners being drawn up in such a way?

    You think they're happy that the people listening to them are people they despise?
    VinLieger wrote:
    Also congrats on being the first one to godwin the thread, i cant believe it was someone supporting the list who did it

    Yeah, because calling everything "fascist" isn't Godwin-ing at all, sure it isn't?


  • #50
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    You think they're happy that the people listening to them are people they despise?



    Yeah, because calling everything "fascist" isn't Godwin-ing at all, sure it isn't?

    Nope there's been many fascists dictatorships however you specifically referenced Nazi's so you get the prize


  • #51
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    VinLieger wrote:
    Nope there's been many fascists dictatorships however you specifically referenced Nazi's so you get the prize

    And when you say "fascist" what's the first thing you think of? You're acting like a child.


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  • #52
    wes
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    It's the neo-Conservatives that want to limit migration and are riding the wave against globalism.

    Neo-cons are pro-globalism........, pro-interventionist, pro spreading democracy and so on.
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    What imagined past is that? Are you trying to say Germany has always been 5% Muslim?

    No, but they use to have a different ethnic minority....... The entire notion that there has never been migration, that there is a pure blood line, is complete bloody nonsense. People move around, and have done so since Human Beings came into existence. Your past of a pure Germany is imaginary.
    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Again, limiting immigration and securing "British jobs for British people" (whatever that means) go hand in hand. An immigrant having a job in the UK is the direct consequence of immigration laws it literally goes in the name, saying they're two separate issues is ridiculous.

    So, you want to shame companies and draw up hits lists of immigrants, who are already there. The fact that you support such fascist nonsense is astonishing really.


  • #53
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    And when you say "fascist" what's the first thing you think of? You're acting like a child.

    "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization."

    Which is exactly what you are for by supporting this list.

    The list does nothing to impact immigration, again it is just for optics sake for those ignorant enough to think immigration is the source of their woes.

    Whats the next move after the list gets drawn up? Quotas? Forced firings if your shown to be employing too many foreigners?


  • #54
    AnGaelach
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    wes wrote:
    Neo-con are pro-globalism.......

    Trump can be classed as a neo-con, are you going to say he's in favour of globalism?
    wes wrote:
    No, but they use to have a different ethnic minority....... The entire notion that there has never been migration, that there is a pure blood line, is complete bloody nonsense. People move around, and have done so since Human Beings came into existence. Your past of a pure Germany is imaginary.

    And I never claimed there was no migration - Hungary was founded by a migrant tribe who decided they liked Hungary. You trying to justify migration nowadays as being okay since it happened in the past (and brought with it huge societal conflict in practically every instance) is ridiculous.

    People also made untold riches from exploiting immigrants a couple centuries ago (the Captains of Industry in the US were heavily exploitative), should we not be allowed to restrict corporate powers on the markets?

    Your appeal is history is fallacious at best.
    wes wrote:
    So, you want to shame companies and draw up hits lists of immigrants. The fact that you support such fascist nonsense is astonishing really.

    Did I say I support the measure? No. I'm explaining to you why people support it. If you're going to keep call me a fascist and xenophobe I might just have to go out with that little black book you think I have and lynch some Asians. Smdh.


  • #55
    AnGaelach
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    VinLieger wrote:
    The list does nothing to impact immigration, again it is just for optics sake for those ignorant enough to think immigration is the source of their woes.

    No, but the list is direct result of the feelings people like you ignored and derided for years. You've nobody to blame for this but yourself.


  • #56
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    No, but the list is direct result of the feelings people like you ignored and derided for years. You've nobody to blame for this but yourself.

    People like me? and who are they exactly? The left? Go ahead and look at my posting history and you can so how left I am.


  • #57
    AnGaelach
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    There's about 6500 posts too many for me to bother reading. I'm responding to what sort of characteristics you display here.


  • #58
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    There's about 6500 posts too many for me to bother reading. I'm responding to what sort of characteristics you display here.

    My characteristics here are this is a disgusting fascist proposal looking to punish people that have done nothing wrong and it can lead nowhere good, in fact it can very easily lead somewhere very very bad and it doesnt matter how people feel they have been ignored, punishing others who have done nothing wrong simply for being different is bigoted and ignorant


  • #59
    road_high
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    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Not sure we should judge the British really, until we have such high levels of immigration ourselves and see how we deal with it.

    It's easy to criticise a foreign country through Irish eyes

    We have...we have one of the highest pro-rata foreign born populations in Europe...and we all rub along fine.


  • #60
    irishash
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  • #61
    A Little Pony
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Biggest example I have seen of fascism in recent times was remain voters moaning about wanting another referendum and could not accept the result.

    I don't think you understand what fascism is......
    That is what fascism is. A totalitarian mentality with a disdain for democracy. If if was up to them they would ignore the will of the people.


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