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Women to go on strike in Poland over abortion law

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  • #62
    Elliott S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    volchitsa wrote: »
    What would you suggest he should be legally able to do to make her carry his baby? Have her physically restrained?

    Yes, all she'd have to do in that case would be to order some abortion pills and pretend it was a natural miscarriage. Some people don't think things through, do they? :)


  • #63
    Elliott S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    The Wolverine wrote: »
    It would never happen but say if a law came in where the man could sign a document (say it must be before the birth is registered) saying he wished for a termination and the mother didn't where it means he signs away all rights to the child and cannot be pursued for maintenance or look for any attempt to be a father in future.

    Would many be for that I wonder?

    I don't know if it would never happen. I am pro-choice but the fact that men have no opt-out and have to go with what the mother decides either way has always troubled me. I believe legal abortion is a viable option but with strict rules attached, much like abortion. A father couldn't be turning around at seven months into the pregnancy and declaring he didn't want to be one anymore, that kind of thing.


  • #64
    learn_more
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    omen80 wrote: »
    The simplest solution would be to just make it legal to have an abortion. If people are against it then they don't have to have one.

    Well this might seem like a vacuous point but in fact it does make me think what is the real motivation for pro-life campaigners.

    Do pro-lifers get satisfaction for saving a life. That would seem like a noble cause but I do wonder if that's what it is really about, for them.

    What do the pro-lifers get from the knowledge that no abortions are allowed on this land when they know full well women will have abortions anyway.

    It always seems to me that they seek 'credit' from a higher authority for taking their stance, not that they really give a feck about the potential life that was aborted.


  • #65
    KingBrian2
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    There's no real thing as human rights, there made up things to suit a certain argument, who actually decides what a human right is? To some people a house if a human right, gay marriage is a human right, abortion is a human right, it's all nonsense depending on your argument you can use human rights for anything, a pro life person can easily argue the most important human right is being denied by abortion, that being the right to your life, whenever i see stuff like the UN lecturing us about "human rights" i just dismiss them tbh the UN doesn't seem so concerned with the human rights problems in Saudi Arabia. "Abortion is a human rights issue" i think both pro life and choice people would argue that, the only problem is there arguing about different rights no one side is really right to use the "human rights" argument.

    That is so true. The news gives so much attention to so called news stories forgetting to mention that European democracies are far better than the Gulf states or many other places around the world.


  • #66
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    Must look up the psychological studies on this.

    But wait, you must know them already. Do tell.

    i could do with some help on my project.


    .

    You saying that a man isn't emotionally invested in his unborn child..? and the loss of that child doesn't affect him?

    or if you think that it needs " psychological studies" to determine this , then you are fool or just being argumentative for the sake of it.


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  • #67
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Looks like Polish government thankfully backing down

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/05/polish-government-performs-u-turn-on-total-abortion-ban?CMP=share_btn_fb

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #68
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Looks like Polish government thankfully backing down

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/05/polish-government-performs-u-turn-on-total-abortion-ban?CMP=share_btn_fb

    It's worrying that an EU country would even suggest such a travesty of human rights in the first place.


  • #69
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Abortion isn't a women's issue now? Ffs

    Yes it's a human rights issue too, the rights of women to have bodily autonomy and not be treated as incubators. It is not a male issue and never should be

    Not sure what you mean by not a male issue.

    Do you mean that males should not have or express an opinion, have a say in whether their prospective child is aborted or not, vote on the issue? there are so many ways to interpret what you said.

    Either way, I find it hard to agree (admittedly as a male, with a penis)


  • #70
    posturingpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭posturingpat


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean by not a male issue.

    Do you mean that males should not have or express an opinion, have a say in whether their prospective child is aborted or not, vote on the issue? there are so many ways to interpret what you said.

    Either way, I find it hard to agree (admittedly as a male, with a penis)

    That's your/our problem right there in a nutshell(pardon the pun)


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