Women to go on strike in Poland over abortion law

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 09:52PM #1

Women to go on strike in Poland over abortion law...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/women-to-go-on-strike-in-poland-abortion-law

Poland wants to introduce an even more draconian abortion law than Ireland's.

Although it is unimaginable that an EU country would not allow a termination to save a Mother's life, it seems that Poland is considering passing a law that is actually doing just that.

Perhaps it is also time for the Women of Ireland to also initiate a strike over this Governments lack of action in holding a referendum on the eighth?

KingBrian2 · 02-10-2016 09:57PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Women to go on strike in Poland over abortion law...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/women-to-go-on-strike-in-poland-abortion-law

Poland wants to introduce an even more draconian abortion law than Ireland's.

Although it is unimaginable that an EU country would not allow a termination to save a Mother's life, it seems that Poland is considering passing a law that is actually doing just that.

Perhaps it is also time for the Women of Ireland to also initiate a strike over this Governments lack of action in holding a referendum on the eighth?

You also are part of the view that all women support abortion and all men oppose it. That is plainly true. Many Irishwomen come on tv advocating against abortion. So once again you are of the mistaken belief that this is a discrimination against Women position to hold.

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:06PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

You also are part of the view that all women support abortion and all men oppose it. That is plainly true. Many Irishwomen come on tv advocating against abortion. So once again you are of the mistaken belief that this is a discrimination against Women position to hold.

Wrong.

I have supported abortion all my life and I have been male all of my life.

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 10:08PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Wrong.

I have supported abortion all my life and I have been male all of my life.

Good for you. way to go Nomis21

FizzleSticks · 02-10-2016 10:18PM

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Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:18PM

I have never seen Abortion rights as a male versus female argument.

I see it more as a human rights versus religious dogma issue.

kneemos · 02-10-2016 10:34PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

I have never seen Abortion rights as a male versus female argument.

I see it more as a human rights versus religious dogma issue.

It's obviously a women's rights issue,unless you can manage an abortion through the head of your penis.

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 10:37PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

I have never seen Abortion rights as a male versus female argument.

I see it more as a human rights versus religious dogma issue.

Ok so. What if the man wanted the baby, but the girl didn't.

Zaph · 02-10-2016 10:42PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Perhaps it is also time for the Women of Ireland to also initiate a strike over this Governments lack of action in holding a referendum on the eighth?

I'm not entirely sure how that's supposed to help. Maybe it could be feasible in the public sector, but I can't see too many private sector companies being supportive of large portions of their staff striking over a social issue that has nothing at all to do with the terms of their employment. If some employers really wanted to play hardball there could be a lot of women suddenly finding themselves on the dole.

questionmark? · 02-10-2016 10:42PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's obviously a women's rights issue,unless you can manage an abortion through the head of your penis.

It's a human rights issue not just a woman issue!!

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:43PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Ok so. What if the man wanted the baby, but the girl didn't.

I have seen this situation happen to a male friend of mine, but I still supported his girlfriend. It is her body and she would be the primary carer of any child.

volchitsa · 02-10-2016 10:45PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Ok so. What if the man wanted the baby, but the girl didn't.

What would you suggest he should be legally able to do to make her carry his baby? Have her physically restrained?

kupus · 02-10-2016 10:46PM

Welcome to the real world where people have different opinions to you.

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:46PM

Zaph wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure how that's supposed to help. Maybe it could be feasible in the public sector, but I can't see too many private sector companies being supportive of large portions of their staff striking over a social issue that has nothing at all to do with the terms of their employment. If some employers really wanted to play hardball there could be a lot of women suddenly finding themselves on the dole.

Are there not women who are prepared to lose their job to support human rights?

Men too I think, although in Poland it seems to be very much a female issue by reading this article.

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 10:47PM

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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My own opinion is.

If it's going to put the mothers live in danger then yes.

If the baby will be still born then yes.

If the baby wont survive then yes.

If the baby is created by two consensual then no.

kneemos · 02-10-2016 10:47PM

questionmark? wrote: »

It's a human rights issue not just a woman issue!!

Wouldn't agree I'd see it solely as a women's issue.

Zaph · 02-10-2016 10:49PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Are there not women who are prepared to lose their job to support human rights?

Men too I think, although in Poland it seems to be very much a female issue by reading this article.

It's not a case of whether or not they're prepared to lose their jobs over a human rights issue, but more a case of whether they can afford to do so. I'd wager that that would be the deciding factor more than anything else, and so I can't see too many following the Polish women's example.

ArtSmart · 02-10-2016 10:49PM

Zaph wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure how that's supposed to help. Maybe it could be feasible in the public sector, but I can't see too many private sector companies being supportive of large portions of their staff striking over a social issue that has nothing at all to do with the terms of their employment. If some employers really wanted to play hardball there could be a lot of women suddenly finding themselves on the dole.

the what now?

Mass strikes have happened over different issues through recent (100 yrs) history in Ireland.

Employers being supportive of such action, would be....well...let's say rare.

Whether there would be enough public support or major support from workers is a different matter.

Although I suspect if Ireland tried to 'pull a Poland' (:D) as per the OP info, there may well be a mass strike.

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:50PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

My own opinion is.

If it's going to put the mothers live in danger then yes.

If the baby will be still born then yes.

If the baby wont survive then yes.

If the baby is created by two consensual then no.

What about created by two consensual and then the mother is deserted by the partner?

MeatTwoVeg · 02-10-2016 10:51PM

Sweetemotion wrote:

Ok so. What if the man wanted the baby, but the girl didn't.

Well in that case, the man's opinion is essentially meaningless.

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 10:53PM

ArtSmart wrote: »

the what now?

Mass strikes have happened over different issues through recent (100 yrs) history in Ireland.

Employers being supportive of such action, would be....well...let's say rare.

Whether there would be enough public support or major support from workers is a different matter.

Although I suspect if Ireland tried to 'pull a Poland' (:D) as per the OP info, there may well be a mass strike.

I think it's a mistake by the Poles to make it a feminist issue.

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 10:53PM

volchitsa wrote: »

What would you suggest he should be legally able to do to make her carry his baby? Have her physically restrained?

Personally no. I wouldn't make him have her physically restrained.

Just curious about the op though.

He doesn't see it a man v womans right. Why would he pick the womans right?

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 11:00PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Personally no. I wouldn't make him have her physically restrained.

Just curious about the op though.

He doesn't see it a man v womans right. Why would he pick the womans right?

It's exactly the reason I don't think it's a man versus woman argument that allows me not to take a view that SOME people think is a man's view on the subject.

Human rights issues should not become feminist issues regardless of the subject.

Abortion is a human rights issue.

volchitsa · 02-10-2016 11:00PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Personally no. I wouldn't make him have her physically restrained.

Just curious about the op though.

He doesn't see it a man v womans right. Why would he pick the womans right?

Because unless we're going to actually force the woman to carry the baby, the man's wishes are irrelevant. It's her body, how is he going to make her do it if she refuses?

Nomis21 · 02-10-2016 11:03PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Because unless we're going to actually force the woman to carry the baby, the man's wishes are irrelevant. It's her body, how is he going to make her do it if she refuses?

He will do it perhaps by threatening to leave her if she has an abortion.

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 11:05PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

He will do it perhaps by threatening to leave her if she has an abortion.

yes all men are evil.

volchitsa · 02-10-2016 11:09PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

He will do it perhaps by threatening to leave her if she has an abortion.

Or if she doesn't.

Basically I don't think outsiders can get involved in someone else's personal relationships to that extent, and however unpleasant the behaviour may be, it's not the same as forcing someone physically.

(I presumed when the question was asked just now, some element of legal backing to the man's wishes was envisaged. It doesn't make much sense.p otherwise. You can't stop someone from leaving their partner, can you?)

Sweetemotion · 02-10-2016 11:09PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Because unless we're going to actually force the woman to carry the baby, the man's wishes are irrelevant. It's her body, how is he going to make her do it if she refuses?

I actually get this.

But when you have the like of the op shouting.

"It's mens rights. It's humans rights, and I'm a male"

Just screams like, look at me aren't I great.

KingBrian2 · 02-10-2016 11:12PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Wrong.

I have supported abortion all my life and I have been male all of my life.

My error I meant to say untrue. That completely messed up what I was trying to say.:o

Permabear · 02-10-2016 11:20PM

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MeatTwoVeg · 02-10-2016 11:21PM

Nomis21 wrote:

He will do it perhaps by threatening to leave her if she has an abortion.

He sounds flaky. She can do better.

Women to go on strike in Poland over abortion law

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