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Passed test 3 years ago, but unsure about roundabouts conundrum..

  • 27-09-2016 07:46PM
    #1
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭


    Hi all, so I passed my driving test and everything is grand. After nearly been 2 accident in the last 4 months. I'm just wondering about a roundabout.

    roundabout diagram.png

    So in this diagram I come to a roundabout which is a two lane, left lane (takes 1st and 2nd exit) I am marked as a yellow square and my route is a purple line. The yellow dots are the indicator to show I'm taking second exit.

    The red car is in the outside lane, so they are indicating to take the 3rd exit. The blue line is the way I was thinking they were going, until they try to take the 2nd exit. Same exit as me. represented by a green line.

    Now the arrows on the road show that I am in the correct lane for taking the 1st or 2nd exit, (They are accually road markings) So they should be going to take the 3rd exit. That's okay, when the 2nd exit is a 2 lane road. which some are. However, in this case the 2nd exit was a one lane road.

    Now I know I'm in the right here and they are in the wrong.. :pac::P

    But, I poated a similar situation in the dash cam thread a few weeks ago and members claimed that if I crashed, it would be my fault? So how in the name of god is this? If I'm in the correct lane?


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  • #2
    b_mac2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭b_mac2


    Just do what I see most people do when entering a roundabout, close your eyes and hope for the best.


  • #3
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    b_mac2 wrote: »
    Just do what I see most people do when entering a roundabout, close your eyes and hope for the best.

    em... right!? :confused:


  • #4
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,467 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    On what basis did they say you would be at fault?
    You were the one in the correct lane.


  • #5
    Donutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Donutz


    job seeker wrote:
    But, I poated a similar situation in the dash cam thread a few weeks ago and members claimed that if I crashed, it would be my fault? So how in the name of god is this? If I'm in the correct lane?

    Don't understand how this would be your fault.

    If the gardai attend an accident they don't decide who is at fault. It is the insurance company that decides blame. If an accident happened because the other driver was in the wrong lane, I find it hard to believe that your insurance company would admit the liability.


  • #6
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    You're in the correct lane. The fact there's only one lane on exit, and the signs confirm it, says the other guy is in the wrong lane.


    And loooove your artwork :D


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  • #7
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    spurious wrote: »
    On what basis did they say you would be at fault?
    You were the one in the correct lane.

    This is the video I posted

    Here, I asked whos fault would it be if I had a "tip"..

    And on that same page here is the replies..
    josip wrote: »
    I have been told on here before that if the other car is ahead of you on the roundabout, regardless of which lane they're in and where they're indicating, then it's your responsibility not to crash into them.
    rizzodun wrote: »
    Well, seeing as you were behind them even though they were clearly in the wrong you should have avoided them as they were ahead of you, good job second guessing their driving though, I use this roundabout a lot and it's common enough unfortunately, because you come down a hill into it too many people take it way too quick also.

    That's the N4 though, not the N7, that had me confused for a second

    I just need, to know what the true story is...

    Thanks.. :)


  • #8
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    You're in the correct lane. The fact there's only one lane on exit, and the signs confirm it, says the other guy is in the wrong lane.


    And loooove your artwork :D

    I see, I don't really mind if it's a two lane exit. As I'm not really in as much danger been in a crash as entering a one lane exit..

    Thanks very much :pac::P It took me an hour to do that on MS paint.. :pac:


  • #9
    Plopli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Plopli


    He's in the wrong but if you rear end the other driver, even if he was in the wrong, insurance would argue that you should always be able to stop.
    If it's a side sweep, this would be less clear but I'm pretty sure the insurance will go for 50/50 so that they are able to screw you both.


  • #10
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Plopli wrote: »
    He's in the wrong but if you rear end the other driver, even if he was in the wrong, insurance would argue that you should always be able to stop.
    If it's a side sweep, this would be less clear but I'm pretty sure the insurance will go for 50/50 so that they are able to screw you both.

    This is the issue though, if your taking the first exit, how could a crash be your fault? as your in the right..? I just don't get it... :confused::eek:


  • #11
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,467 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    If you go into the back of another car, even if they have drifted into your path at the last second, you are at fault. You should always be able to stop.

    Roundabouts are where my late father's one and only piece of advice regarding driving ALWAYS comes into play - 'Expect them all to be cretins, because most of them are'.

    You get a sixth sense for them after a while.


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  • #12
    Walter2016
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Walter2016


    Yes other driver is wrong to use right lane, but as that driver was ahead of you, you'd be in the wrong for hitting side or rear of that car.

    It would be a garda prosecution issue for the other driver as he/she did not use correct lanes.

    But it would be a "driving without due care" issue if you had a tip that you could have avoided if paying attention.

    But 100% you used the roundabout correctly, however that does not preclude you from being aware of other drivers. (or pedestrians or cyclists)

    Expect the unexpected.


  • #13
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Firstly don't ever trust an indicator, particularly on a roundabout, anticipate that the other driver has no clue where they are going but will willingly drive over you to get there.  Seriously, most of the work needs to be in the seconds leading up to you and the  other driver arriving at the junction and general traffic flow.  

    On some roundabouts the local traffic can develop a pattern which will not match the road markings. Eg the majority of the traffic always turns left so rather than wait in line the people going straight move into the outer right turn lane. Its likely that the other driver may moved in to the outer lane so that they will gain the time advantage as  you would have to wait for a car on the roundabout to pass him and then you.  Once they have pulled ahead of you, you are at a disadvantage as the damage will 'read' as you hitting them; being that your front bumper driving side hitting the side of their car and the further back the damage the more you 'failed' to read the other car's road position.

    Looking at your diagram the circular road marking are poorly designed on the actual roundabout and so don't match the indicated flow patterns of traffic entering or leaving the roundabout. However your diagram would work against you in a crash claim scenario.

    IMO In the video the car was well ahead of you entering the roundabout, from what i can make out on the road signs the left hand turn is more a local access 'minor' turn and the 2 and 3 exits are regional roads. This is a consideration you need to take account of. From the my reading of the clip the arrow markings on the road relate to the T junction before the roundabout and that right turn lane is terminated by the hatch markings. This is not represented on the signage. So your diagram is not a factual representation of the junction nor of the road positions of either car at the start of the manoeuvre. 

    Anyways, the driver remains in the single lane heading into the roundabout. 
    This single lane then branches into two lanes and the driver has a choice.  Although it looks as if the natural flow of the road is to stay in the right hand side, the driver's use of the indicator could be selecting the right lane not the 3rd exit.  As I cant see the indicator after 13 second I can't determine if the indicator was turned off or not once the car entered the roundabout. But the exit is designed to be wide enough to allow two cars to enter at the same time with the give way to your right rule applying, filtering into a single lane after the exit point. So imo the other driver did a text book right lane roundabout manoeuvre (maybe with a signal error).


  • #14
    Dearg81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    I'd agree with the above post as I think both of you would be at fault in this scenario. The other car is in the wrong lane but is right of you on the roundabout which gives them right of way.

    Think of it this way, if the other car had entered the roundabout at an earlier stage then you would be fully to blame so you should always be checking your mirror and giving way to traffic on the right regardless of were they entered the roundabout.


  • #15
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Dearg81 wrote: »
    I'd agree with the above post as I think both of you would be at fault in this scenario. The other car is in the wrong lane but is right of you on the roundabout which gives them right of way.

    Think of it this way, if the other car had entered the roundabout at an earlier stage then you would be fully to blame so you should always be checking your mirror and giving way to traffic on the right regardless of were they entered the roundabout.

    I would argue that the other car was not in the wrong lane as they entered the junction on a two lane road, the roundabout is a two lane road and they could not see over the mound to the exit point, they are not wrong to presume that they will exit on a two lane road (Irish drivers will mostly be disappointed on that one :D)
    Once on the roundabout and exiting they have the right to expect that where the exit point of the two lane road filters into a single lane that they have priority as the give way rule applies.


  • #16
    Dearg81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    Glass fused light wrote:
    I would argue that the other car was not in the wrong lane as they entered the junction on a two lane road, the roundabout is a two lane road and they could not see over the mound to the exit point, they are not wrong to presume that they will exit on a two lane road (Irish drivers will mostly be disappointed on that one ) Once on the roundabout and exiting they have the right to expect that where the exit point of the two lane road filters into a single lane that they have priority as the give way rule applies.

    The OP said the road was marked and that he was in the correct lane when entering the roundabout. I read that as meaning the right lane the other driver entered the roundabout in had a right arrow to indicate it was meant for the 3rd exit. If not, then I'd agree with you.


  • #17
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Dearg81 wrote: »
    The OP said the road was marked and that he was in the correct lane when entering the roundabout. I read that as meaning the right lane the other driver entered the roundabout in had a right arrow to indicate it was meant for the 3rd exit. If not, then I'd agree with you.

    Watch the video clip in the link IMO the OP is reading the two combined junctions wrong and so the diagram is wrong.


  • #18
    Dearg81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    Glass fused light wrote:
    Watch the video clip in the link IMO the OP is reading the two combined junctions wrong and so the diagram is wrong.


    Fair enough. The video won't load for me on my phone.


  • #19
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Dearg81 wrote: »
    Fair enough. The video won't load for me on my phone.

    No worries, I was thinking the same as you until I watched the video


  • #20
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    Watch the video clip in the link IMO the OP is reading the two combined junctions wrong and so the diagram is wrong.

    The video is only a similar roundabout to the one in which I'm using to demonstrate how it went.

    As for the video, I use that very roundabout on a daily basis. Every driver (with a brain) which enters the slip road uses the left hand lane. In the last 6 years I've been driving, I've seen only two occasions for the driver to use the right lane and take the slip road (second exit) on to the N4. that video been one of them... ;)
    Glass fused light wrote: »
    On some roundabouts the local traffic can develop a pattern which will not match the road markings.

    However, if the road markings aren't matching? Why are they there? :rolleyes:


  • #21
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    job seeker wrote: »
    Every driver (with a brain)

    Well there is your first mistake:pac:, some days the brain is an optional extra.
    job seeker wrote: »
    The video is only a similar roundabout to the one in which I'm using to demonstrate how it went.  

    IMO its not.

    From my viewing the clip the entry to the junction on the clip is the classic roundabout layout from the rules of the road and it has no sign nor road markings similar to your diagram.  From the clip the exit is not designed as single lane exit, the width is to accommodate filtering to funnel traffic into a single lane.
    job seeker wrote: »
    As for the video, I use that very roundabout on a daily basis. Every driver (with a brain) which enters the slip road uses the left hand lane. In the last 6 years I've been driving, I've seen only two occasions for the driver to use the right lane and take the slip road (second exit) on to the N4. that video been one of them... ;)

    Well the two occasions are what you always need to look out for and the driver in the clip was technically correct in what they did.

    How were you indicating after you passed the T junction?
    job seeker wrote: »
    However, if the road markings aren't matching? Why are they there? :rolleyes:

    Are you asking about the road markings or the driver in the other lane?


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  • #22
    job seeker
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    Glass fused light wrote: »
    Well there is your first mistake:pac:, some days the brain is an optional extra.

    :D:D

    Glass fused light wrote: »
    mo its not.

    From my viewing the clip the entry to the junction on the clip is the classic roundabout layout from the rules of the road and it has no sign nor road markings similar to your diagram.  From the clip the exit is not designed as single lane exit, the width is to accommodate filtering to funnel traffic into a single lane.

    That's why I said, the clip is from a different roundabout all together..



    Glass fused light wrote: »
    the two occasions are what you always need to look out for and the driver in the clip was technically correct in what they did.
    3rd exit is for the second lane only though..

    Glass fused light wrote: »
    how were you indicating after you passed the T junction?
    I indicate left to take the second exit, after the first exit..



    Glass fused light wrote: »
    are you asking about the road markings or the driver in the other lane?

    The road markings, I fail to see how the council would put down wrong road markings


  • #23
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    While the driver of that Golf is doing a couple of things wrong, it's not the use of the roundabout.

    - Switching lanes when not really needed in advance of the roundabout.
    - Merging with traffic at a lower speed.


  • #24
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    job seeker wrote: »
    That's why I said, the clip is from a different roundabout all together..

    You can't show me a nice video and a map .........and then expect me to read the map.:eek: moving pictures rule!!
    job seeker wrote: »
    3rd exit is for the second lane only though..
    Hmmm...the second lane is for..
    job seeker wrote: »
    I indicate left to take the second exit, after the first exit..

    ok if this is referring to the video clip, where you have passed T junction and the hatched marking to your right  IMO there would be a explanation for moving into the right lane.  On the days my brain rides shotgun:D; if I am coming into that roundabout look in my mirror and see the car behind me indicating  left, I'll move to the right lane, and not force the other driver to wait for me to get a clear path through the junction.

    On the map;) it's more likely that the other driver is just queue jumping.
    job seeker wrote: »
    The road markings, I fail to see how the council would put down wrong road markings

    They wont put down wrong road markings. 
    A road  is designed to provide optimum traffic flows based on expected traffic patterns, but if the traffic pattern is misjudged or changes, the local drivers will adapted by ignoring the road markings.  Once the council becomes aware that there is an issue they respond by looking at the junction again and if possible redesigning it.

    Consider a town by-pass, the designer is working off a blank canvas, connecting the top and bottom of the town by way of roundabouts. 
    Now they have the number of cars travelling both ways through the town but don't know why the cars are travelling into town.  Let's say 25% of the morning traffic is to pop in for a coffee but the road engineer did not know that the best and cheapest coffee is at the north end of the town and the school is in the middle of it. So the people from the south now use the by-pass to avoid the school traffic and a bottle neck develops at that roundabout because traffic from the north has priority going in to town. North bound locals not getting coffee don't want to queue that extra 5 min. behind their coffee loving neighbour, know what the delay is from and so adjust their flow pattern to approaching the roundabout in the right lane.
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    While the driver of that Golf is doing a couple of things wrong, it's not the use of the roundabout.

    - Switching lanes when not really needed in advance of the roundabout.
    - Merging with traffic at a lower speed.

    No offence intended by this  Job Seeker
    On the switching lanes, this depends a little on how Job Seeker was driving coming up to the junction.  You can see from the Golf approach that they defensively break for the van on the right.   The second time they break was still a little far out from the junction, this could be to give them time to read the junction or to trigger a 'slow down' break response in Job Seeker.  The reason is not really important,  it's a signal to Job Seeker that the driver may not act in a predictable way and to give that little bit of extra space.

    On the merging Job Seeker had undertaken the driver on the roundabout and they had to manoeuvre around Job Seeker to get into their turn. At this stage Job Seeker should respond by slowing down, dropping back and give them a little time to recover as the driver now has a split focus, thinking on what happened rather than the merge ahead.  If driving defensively, the Golf driver is thinking that Job Seeker predictability is questionable and has judged his timing to pull out behind the white car and prevent a situation of pulling out ahead of the white car and Job Seeker follows, aiming for the overtaking lane but messes up. Obviously I dont know what was coming up from behind, but as Job Seeker overtook (safely) there was no need for the Golf driver to meet a merging speed, maintaining the slow speed is an invitation to be overtaken and if needed gives the driver additional recovery time.


  • #25
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    Yok if this is referring to the video clip, where you have passed T junction and the hatched marking to your right  IMO there would be a explanation for moving into the right lane.  On the days my brain rides shotgun:D; if I am coming into that roundabout look in my mirror and see the car behind me indicating  left, I'll move to the right lane, and not force the other driver to wait for me to get a clear path through the junction.

    But I only indicated left after passing the first exit. Which is what you're supposed to do...

    Also, do you drive? Because you're coming across as not having a notion about roundabouts.. :):):)
    Glass fused light wrote: »
    On the map;) it's more likely that the other driver is just queue jumping.


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    They wont put down wrong road markings. 
    A road  is designed to provide optimum traffic flows based on expected traffic patterns, but if the traffic pattern is misjudged or changes, the local drivers will adapted by ignoring the road markings.  Once the council becomes aware that there is an issue they respond by looking at the junction again and if possible redesigning it.
    Glass fused light wrote: »
    On some roundabouts the local traffic can develop a pattern which will not match the road markings.

    But the purpose of the road markings are there to guide traffic around the round about in a safe manner.. that's the reason it displays a straight and left arrow. To indicate that if your taking the 1st or 2nd exit, the driver should be in my lane...

    Glass fused light wrote: »
    No offence intended by this  Job Seeker
    On the switching lanes, this depends a little on how Job Seeker was driving coming up to the junction.      You can see from the Golf approach that they defensively break for the van on the right.   The second time they break was still a little far out from the junction, this could be to give them time to read the junction or to trigger a 'slow down' break response in Job Seeker.  The reason is not really important,  it's a signal to Job Seeker that the driver may not act in a predictable way and to give that little bit of extra space.

    Bull! They went to take the 3rd exit and only realised when they were half way around the roundabout.

    How did you come up with that? :rolleyes:


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    On the merging Job Seeker had undertaken the driver on the roundabout and they had to manoeuvre around Job Seeker to get into their turn. At this stage Job Seeker should respond by slowing down, dropping back and give them a little time to recover as the driver now has a split focus, thinking on what happened rather than the merge ahead.  If driving defensively, the Golf driver is thinking that Job Seeker predictability is questionable and has judged his timing to pull out behind the white car and prevent a situation of pulling out ahead of the white car and Job Seeker follows, aiming for the overtaking lane but messes up. Obviously I dont know what was coming up from behind, but as Job Seeker overtook (safely) there was no need for the Golf driver to meet a merging speed, maintaining the slow speed is an invitation to be overtaken and if needed gives the driver additional recovery time.


    I didn't undertake as such, I seen that the golf was taking the 3rd exit, so there was no need to wait. If you watch the video from 0.02, the arrows (to show which lane to take; i.e. the lane I'm in for the 1st and 2nd exit and the lane the golf is in for the 3rd exit..) are printed on the road twice...

    Again, they where in the lane to take the 3rd exit, there for they should have been either ahead of me or behind me in the same lane if taking the 2nd exit..

    Ya, the thing is though when merging with traffic on a national road you're supposed to be matching the speed .i.e. 90 - 100kph

    Incorrect, merging at 60kph is no a safe thing to do. For obvious reasons... ;)


  • #26
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    The diagram is wrong alright OP.

    Your car and/or the car in the right lane can exit at the second exit based on your video.
    Glass fused light wrote: »
    Watch the video clip in the link IMO the OP is reading the two combined junctions wrong and so the diagram is wrong.


  • #27
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Brycen Tasteless Ringer wrote: »
    The diagram is wrong alright OP.

    Your car and/or the car in the right lane can exit at the second exit based on your video.

    But the diagram and the video are two different roundabout.. the're not even in the same county...


  • #28
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    And? Two incoming lanes and a single exit lane at "12 oclock". Similar scenario, no explicit road markings/signage, same country, same rule.
    job seeker wrote: »
    But the diagram and the video are two different roundabout.. the're not even in the same county...


  • #29
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Brycen Tasteless Ringer wrote: »
    And? Two incoming lanes and a single exit lane at "12 oclock". Similar layouts, same country, same rule.

    But why would the golf be aloud cut across my lane to take the 2nd exit so??? :confused:


  • #30
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
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    He's not cutting across you, he is exiting the roundabout. You have to take that exit (it's the last exit you are supposed to take coming from the left lane). He can take the same exit, or any subsequent exit.

    You both "merge" into the exit lane that you are both taking.

    Edit: A lot of similar roundabouts have a merge arrow on the single exit lane (dual lane roundabouts), though a lot them do not. However, you cannot know if there's a merge arrow until you have exited the roundabout or you have driven that roundabout previously. Thus always presume either lane can exit (in this type of layout) and remember that you may have to merge. Simples.
    job seeker wrote: »
    But why would the golf be aloud cut across my lane to take the 2nd exit so??? :confused:


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  • #31
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    job seeker wrote: »
    Also, do you drive? 
    Firstly my driving history, yes I do, let's just say that some of the signage listed in the current ROR (rsa dot ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Rules_of_the_road dot pdf). 
    was not in my version, as the infrastructure did not exist, and I would have been instructed to aim to occupy the same space as you on exiting a roundabout.

    The video and the Map image:
    IMO comparing or trying to cross reference the video clip and the map is counterproductive so I am not referring to the map in this post.

    On the video clip
     You are posting in the learning to drive, so any observation or critique (not criticism) I make is aiming/trying to be helpful, not to make you feel defensive. Its to challenge you to think about the actions you take. Your actions are based on a conclusion you come to which is based on your observations and assumptions.  I respect that you are here to learn.  You were actually driving so you also have a memory of the event and could see additional information.  I can only make observations on what I see in the clip eg the Golf is off screen between 0:15 and 0:25 and I may make assumptions but will do my best to explain how I came to make an assumption.  

    I may be incorrect in my observation and as a result may be incorrect in my assumptions, feel free to detail why you think this.
    But I will try to just list questions on this.


    Then road markings:
    Understanding human behaviour is a science,  eg think about, at an empty junction how long will you stay at a red light before thinking its broken and start considering going through the junction "on a red".

    From a safety (and  learning perspective) do you agree that you should not presume that another driver will see or comply with either road markings or road signage?


    Replying to your other sections in the post:
    job seeker wrote: »
    Glass fused light wrote: »
    if I am coming into that roundabout look in my mirror and see the car behind me indicating  left,
    But I only indicated left after passing the first exit. Which is what you're supposed to do...

    You need to go back and read the whole paragraph and figure out where my road position would be when I looked in my mirror.  A key word is" into".
    How many traffic lanes are there at the start of the clip?
    Where is the T junction  in the video clip?
    After the T junction what are the hatch markings on the right indicating ?
    How many traffic lanes are there between the T junction and and the blue keep left sign located on the right side in front of the grass verge?
    What lane options are available to me after this sign?

    job seeker wrote: »
    that's the reason it displays a straight and left arrow.

    What is the straight arrow markings indicating at the start of the clip?
    What is the right arrow markings indicating at the start of the clip?
    What are the hatch markings indicating?
    Where is the left arrow markings in clip (or was that a typo)?
    job seeker wrote: »
    To indicate that if your taking the 1st or 2nd exit, the driver should be in my lane... 

    NB Ignore the video clip and any road markings for the moment.

    On a two lane road going on to a roundabout, do you accept that a driver taking the 2nd exit has two options, of using either the left or using the right lane?

    job seeker wrote: »
    How did you come up with that?
     
    I can come back to this at the moment, the important thing is that we need to agree on what we are seeing.

    job seeker wrote: »
    I didn't undertake as such, 

    You did, you entered the junction after the Golf and were attempting to exit at the same time.  In order to do so your vehicle has to be travelling at a greater speed than the Golf.
    job seeker wrote: »
    as such, 

    The ROR cover examples when undertaking is acceptable, is this covered or ignored in the examples?

    Roundabout junctions are points of intersection, and when two cars intersect they crash.  As noted above when I was doing my test the focus was to end up in the left lane coming off a roundabout, but the book conveniently did not explain how to get there.

    job seeker wrote: »
    I seen that the golf was taking the 3rd exit, 

    No, you had not seen that the Golf was doing anything, you made a prediction of a future action based on a observation.

    The prediction/conclusion you arrived at based on your observation was factually incorrect, otherwise the Golf would have taken the 3rd exit.
    job seeker wrote: »
    so there was no need to wait. 

    By undertaking you gain a second or so, but risk a side impact on the driver side or being rear-ended

    The potential consequence of an error is  directly linked to your physical well being.  An impact even at low speeds can cause you damage, particularly to your spine. Your spine structure controls the transmission of all instructions from your brain to your body.  (This is why you will see on the tv programme 'Road Wars' filmed in the UK, that once a occupant is still seated in a car and complaining of neck injury, some fire brigades have moved to cutting people out of cars as standard practice.)

    The rear-ending : I am assuming you had to break to accommodate the Golf turning into the junction for the slip road:
    The van driver waiting to enter the roundabout on your left (9 o'clock). Is also making a prediction of your future action based on a observation. If the driver makes a mistake you could have been rear ended as your speed would have dropped in the distance between your entry point and your exit point.

    job seeker wrote: »
    If you watch the video from 0.02, the arrows (to show which lane to take; i.e. the lane I'm in for the 1st and 2nd exit and the lane the golf is in for the 3rd exit..) are printed on the road twice... 

    How many traffic lanes are there at the start of the clip?
    What is the straight arrow markings indicating at the start of the clip?
    What is the right arrow markings indicating at the start of the clip?
    Where is the T junction  in the video clip?
    After the T junction what are the hatch markings on the right indicating?
    How many traffic lanes are there between the T junction and and the blue keep left sign located on the right side in front of the grass verge?
    How many lanes are there after the blue keep left sign located on the right side in front of the grass verge?
    What lane options are available to me after this sign?
    What is it appropriate for the driver to do as they pass the blue keep left sign located on the right side in front of the grass verge to inform other drivers that they are making a choice?
    After the driver has informed other drivers and carried out their choice what should the driver do to signal that they have finished their action?
    What is the risk point for other drivers once the action is finished and the driver fails to signal that they have finished their action?
    What would have been an appropriate signal sequence from any driver who is at the blue keep left sign and exiting on the 3rd exit?

    job seeker wrote: »
    Again, they where in the lane to take the 3rd exit, there for they should have been either ahead of me or behind me in the same lane if taking the 2nd exit..

    IMO The conclusion you arrived at based on your observation is factually incorrect.
    Have you figured out what my observations are and why I have come to a different conclusion than you?
    job seeker wrote: »
    Ya, the thing is though when merging with traffic on a national road you're supposed to be matching the speed .i.e. 90 - 100kph 

    This statement, if made by you as a defendant in court (eg think scene of an accident), about your driving , could rightly see you convicted of dangerous driving.  If you do not understand why you would be convicted you should to sit down with a driving instructor and get them to explain it.
    job seeker wrote: »
    Incorrect, merging at 60kph is no a safe thing to do.

    You merged your vehicle off the slip road entering off the merging lane onto the road and you drove behind the Golf and you made an overtake manoeuvre on the Golf.

    Are you saying that as a result of your driving a vehicle travelling behind you was forced to make an evasive manoeuvre?


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