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Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I see "somebody" has been trying to terrorise NYC and/or New Jersey by planting pressure cooker bombs.
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of pressure cookers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    recedite wrote: »
    I see "somebody" has been trying to terrorise NYC and/or New Jersey by planting pressure cooker bombs.
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of pressure cookers.

    Cool pressure cooker Ahmed, want to bring it to the White House :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    recedite wrote: »
    I see "somebody" has been trying to terrorise NYC and/or New Jersey by planting pressure cooker bombs.
    titanic-newspaper-article-3.jpg
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of pressure cookers.
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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    recedite wrote: »
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of pressure cookers.

    That's crazy talk. The only way to stop a bad guy with a pressure cooker is a good guy with a pressure cooker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    If everyone had pressure cooker bombs then we'd all be safer...


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    pauldla wrote: »
    He won't be as cartoonish if he gets the presidency.
    Lordy, lordy! What is it about conservatives and copyright law or background checks? Yesterday, Trump's son tweeted an image with a nasty anti-refugee message.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37416457

    Today, it seems that that the image was used without permission and that the photographer was a refugee himself - and is not best pleased.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37421886


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A writer for GQ succeeds in lowering the tone of political debate beyond Trump's level.

    http://www.gq.com/story/a-word-for-donald-trump-voters


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    Lower than stealing $250 000 from charity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Lower than stealing $250 000 from charity?

    Or appointing the chairman of the propaganda arm of the "alt-right" as his campaign manager?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Let's face it: when it comes to the tone of this year's campaign, it's hard to see how it could be much lower.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Incalculable Pointer


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Let's face it: when it comes to the tone of this year's campaign, it's hard to see how it could be much lower.

    why would you tempt fate like this?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Lower than stealing $250 000 from charity?
    I was possibly being ironic :)

    The article shows a rare example of is an anti-Trump writer getting emotional - part of the current problem with Trump being that - like Farage, Wilders and the rest of today's fascists - he's much better at faking emotion and concern than the liberal side are.

    Hence, it's a nice change to see somebody emote back at him effectively, even if it's just a spittle-flecked rant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    robindch wrote: »
    A writer for GQ succeeds in lowering the tone of political debate beyond Trump's level.
    http://www.gq.com/story/a-word-for-donald-trump-voters
    It was dire...
    but there was a link there to a very nicely written article.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Let's face it: when it comes to the tone of this year's campaign, it's hard to see how it could be much lower.

    It must be tough for the moderators. Due to the rules of the site they have to keep the tone of the discussion at a much higher point than the election itself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    robindch wrote:
    I was possibly being ironic

    The article shows a rare example of is an anti-Trump writer getting emotional - part of the current problem with Trump being that - like Farage, Wilders and the rest of today's fascists - he's much better at faking emotion and concern than the liberal side are.

    Hence, it's a nice change to see somebody emote back at him effectively, even if it's just a spittle-flecked rant.

    Sorry my irony metre is off.

    Every time someone points out one of Trump's terrible actions, his snowflake supporters cry that you're calling them all Hitlers in an attempt to recover their much sought after victimhood.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Every time someone points out one of Trump's terrible actions, his snowflake supporters cry that you're calling them all Hitlers in an attempt to recover their much sought after victimhood.
    Oddly, many, and probably a large majority, of his supporters are low-income, low-education, low-achieving people who are essentially victims in the game of capitalism as it's played in the US - often because of assholes like Trump - whether they're corrupt business men or whether they're corrupt politicians driving the system for corrupt business men.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    robindch wrote: »
    Oddly, many, and probably a large majority, of his supporters are low-income, low-education, low-achieving people who are essentially victims in the game of capitalism as it's played in the US - often because of assholes like Trump - whether they're corrupt business men or whether they're corrupt politicians driving the system for corrupt business men.
    That may well be true, but you could say the very same thing about Trump's opponents. Despite The Donald being a heartless capitalist, he also has the touch of the common man about him. Ordinary Americans can can aspire to do whatever it is that he has done. He seems to be his own man; not controlled by mysterious agencies, lobby groups and corporations.

    In that article, a journalist travels all around the Trump empire, even to Doonbeg, looking for ammunition to use against him. But nobody will say a bad word about him. The only stick she can find to beat Trump with is an allegation that he "resuscitates properties, but only after he has squeezed the life out of them and sucked all the marrow from their bones."

    The story centres around his flagship property. His old friends the Kluges had used their home as collateral and taken out loans to establish a vineyard out the back, which loans they were unable to service. Sensing blood, the banksters swooped in and told them to put their mansion on the market. But our hero, The Donald, came to the rescue and bought the ailing vineyard, thus allowing the owners to stay on in the house.

    But with rising interest rates squeezing them, and the inevitable divorce, it wasn't long before the banksters returned and evicted the lady of the house. Again, The Donald helped out by buying the golf course out front, and paying the money direct to the ex-husband, as the deeds for it were separate from the rest of the property, and the vultures had failed to get their grubby hands on them.

    After keeping the house vacant and waiting for the market to rise, the bank tried to sell its ill-gotten gains at a vast profit. But they hadn't reckoned on our hero, The Donald. He explained the situation to prospective buyers, thus putting them off. Eventually the bank reluctantly sold the house to him, foregoing their expected profit.

    Now in possession, The Donald poured money into the neglected house, sympathetically restoring furnishings in their original colours and style. Finally he opened it to the public as a hotel.

    If you don't believe me, read all about it here


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    recedite wrote: »
    [...] he also has the touch of the common man about him. Ordinary Americans can can aspire to do whatever it is that he has done. He seems to be his own man; not controlled by mysterious agencies, lobby groups and corporations.
    I would suggest that a lot of people have forgotten that Trump essentially is a mysterious, unaccountable corporation beholden to nobody and certainly uninterested in revealing things like - oh - his tax returns.

    You're quite right to say that there's a touch of the common about him and can only requote one description I heard recently, that he plays to a poor man's image of what a rich man is.

    Though I thought that Sam Harris was on the button as well when he said that Trump's thinking, such as it is, can be modelled by a balloon zipping around a room randomly as the escaping air shoots out the back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Qs


    robindch wrote: »
    Oddly, many, and probably a large majority, of his supporters are low-income, low-education, low-achieving people who are essentially victims in the game of capitalism as it's played in the US - often because of assholes like Trump - whether they're corrupt business men or whether they're corrupt politicians driving the system for corrupt business men.

    Thats his pitch though, the whole "I know the game, I played the game, I'm great at it and thats why I only I can fix it". Its bull**** obviously but its very American bull****.

    The biggest difference (not only difference, just the biggest) between Trump and Clinton is that she's pretty smart and he's not at all. He understands media pretty well though and I think he understands the public pretty well. Its why political pundits and politicians don't really understand his popularity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    robindch wrote: »
    Oddly, many, and probably a large majority, of his supporters are low-income, low-education, low-achieving people who are essentially victims in the game of capitalism as it's played in the US - often because of assholes like Trump - whether they're corrupt business men or whether they're corrupt politicians driving the system for corrupt business men.

    on the flipside Clinton is getting most of the corporate money and they will be telling her to not rock the boat and there is a market for a non status quo politician.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    recedite wrote: »
    That may well be true, but you could say the very same thing about Trump's opponents. Despite The Donald being a heartless capitalist, he also has the touch of the common man about him. Ordinary Americans can can aspire to do whatever it is that he has done. He seems to be his own man; not controlled by mysterious agencies, lobby groups and corporations.

    Coming from a working class area I really can see myself in Donald Trump. Multi-million dollar inheritances were commonplace where I grew up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I see "somebody" has been shooting up a shopping mall.
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of NRA supporters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    recedite wrote: »
    I see "somebody" has been shooting up a shopping mall.
    It really is time the US clamped down on the importation of NRA supporters.

    he was a Hillary supporter too, will she disavow ? :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    If Trump is a fascist (even if he isn't) does that mean we can call Hilary a communist (even though she isn't)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    What do you mean can we?

    Exposing the Marxist/Communist Past of Hillary Clinton

    COMMUNIST PARTY UNITES BEHIND HILLARY

    Hard to imagine there's anything she hasn't been called at this stage.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    If Trump is a fascist (even if he isn't)...

    ...but he plays one on TV.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    If Trump is a fascist (even if he isn't) does that mean we can call Hilary a communist (even though she isn't)?
    You can call Clinton what you like, but - at least here in A+A - you will need to back it up with evidence in order to be taken seriously.

    Separately, this evening's debate, or whatever kind of public car-crash it turns out to be, is available on a variety of outlets:

    http://gizmodo.com/how-to-stream-tonights-presidential-debate-for-free-no-1786948623


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    robindch wrote: »
    You can call Clinton what you like, but - at least here in A+A - you will need to back it up with evidence in order to be taken seriously.

    Well for someone who claims Farage is a fascist that is a bit rich. Do you peer review every post on boards or just the ones you do not like?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Well for someone who claims Farage is a fascist that is a bit rich.
    I've linked to definitions for fascism in this thread and, in other threads, included links to Mr Farage's deplorable output. It should be clear enough to most people that there's sufficient common ground between the two to link them.

    If, on the other hand, you believe that Farage is a kind, generous, helpful and co-operative politician genuinely working for the good of his unfairly oppressed countrymen and countrywomen, and cruelly misrepresented by a biased media, then by all means please produce some evidence to back up this peculiar position.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    So, when should we expect the first post in this thread from the Drumpfjugend trying to claim victory in last night's debate, despite such hits like Cheeto Jesus not objecting to Clinton alleging he pays nothing in federal taxes - instead, he says he's being smart!

    But then again, what do you expect from a guy who got his fake charity to donate to Pam Bondi's re-election campaign as Florida's Attorney General when she was thinking of investigating Trump University?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%.

    BTW the tax thing is interesting because it shows up the characters of the different candidates. One is a businessman, and thinks making the most money while paying the least tax shows good business acumen.
    The other is a consummate politician, and is willing to say anything as long as it is politically correct.

    This is why they can't understand each others point of view.
    The electorate will decide which type will make a better boss for their country.

    Trump also said a few things about leveraging, interest rates, the Fed etc. which shows he understands how money and debt works. Most viewers will understand as little of that as Clinton though, so the clown tactics are a good backup to have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    recedite wrote:
    I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%
    My Mom says I'm the handsomest boy in School


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    recedite wrote: »
    Didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%.
    Three quarters of Breitbart readers thought he won? Well, I guess that's conclusive.
    BTW the tax thing is interesting because it shows up the characters of the different candidates. One is a businessman, and thinks making the most money while paying the least tax shows good business acumen.

    [...]

    Trump also said a few things about leveraging, interest rates, the Fed etc. which shows he understands how money and debt works.
    Vox have a different perspective.

    Would this be the same Trump who thinks letting his children run his business is a blind trust?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    recedite wrote: »
    Didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%.
    Now, now recedite, no trolling - sure, doesn't everybody knows that Breitbart really wants him at 110%?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    robindch wrote: »
    Now, now recedite, no trolling - sure, doesn't everybody knows that Breitbart really wants him at 110%?!

    More like 1488%, but then the mask would have irrevocably slipped.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    recedite wrote: »
    Didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%.

    You're becoming a caricature of recedite.

    BTW, 75% is crap. Putin has an 82% approval rating and Kim has about 99.9% popularity (amongst all North Koreans, and 100% amongst living North Koreans).

    Imagine conceding 25% to a woman. :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Trump is now whinging that his microphone was faulty and it was a set-up. And he wasn't sniffing at all, the microphone was just good enough to pick up his breathing, but poor enough that people couldn't hear what he was saying.

    You couldn't make this guy's stuff up.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    recedite wrote: »
    Didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the highlights on Breitbart. It looks like another win for the Donald, the poll puts him at 75%.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Three quarters of Breitbart readers thought he won? Well, I guess that's conclusive.
    It seems that Trump's inflammatory claim that "the election is going to be rigged" might have a grain of truth in it as the Daily Dot has collected evidence of widespread attempts by Trump supporters to manipulate online polls, including instructions on how to vote multiple times:

    http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/

    The same article contains links to polls which were not subject to such manipulation and which indicate that a majority of viewers believed that Clinton trashed Trump.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Incalculable Pointer


    Manipulating online polls does not an election rig.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Manipulating online polls does not an election rig.
    Didn't say it did.

    I did include Trump's inflammatory claim to suggest that some of his supporters are hypocrites. As indeed, Trump is, should he fail to condemn poll manipulation.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Juliet Incalculable Pointer


    robindch wrote: »
    Didn't say it did.

    I did include Trump's inflammatory claim to suggest that some of his supporters are hypocrites. As indeed, Trump is, should he fail to condemn poll manipulation.

    Not sure you'd make much bread out of these grains tbh.
    robindch wrote: »
    It seems that Trump's inflammatory claim that "the election is going to be rigged" might have a grain of truth in it...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Not sure you'd make much bread out of these grains tbh.
    Uh, that's why I used the phrase "grain of truth" to suggest that while there's no direct connection between the two, there is some superficial similarity - in this case, to the point of some considerable irony, if not hypocrisy :confused:

    By all means replace the phrase "might have a grain of truth in it" with "a trifle ironic".


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The Attorney General of New York has ordered the Trump Foundation to stop fundraising, as it lacks the proper certification.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sorry that page doesn't exist!

    Sorry that page doesn't exist!

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    A video of Trump bragging about "grabbing women by the pussy" has surfaced.

    Bye-bye Donald, try not to let the door hit you and get stained by your fake tan on your way out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Finally some of his Republican 'endorsers' are un-endorsing him. http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/10/08/congressman-jason-chaffetz-latest-wash-hands-trump/. My theory is Chaffetz cleared this with the LDS, who knows, maybe now Utah's in play for HRC.

    But, the biggest names (Ryan, McCain, McConnell) have yet to take that important step.

    There's some muttering about dropping him from the ticket for Pence. Ain't gonna happen - voting is already happening in a few states.

    All this in time for the next debate tomorrow. Images from that old movie "Scanners" comes to mind when HRC gets under his thin-skin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I don't see Clinton winning Utah, I'd say there's more of a chance of either Johnson or Evan McMullin denying Trump a win there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Finally some of his Republican 'endorsers' are un-endorsing him. http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/10/08/congressman-jason-chaffetz-latest-wash-hands-trump/. My theory is Chaffetz cleared this with the LDS, who knows, maybe now Utah's in play for HRC.

    But, the biggest names (Ryan, McCain, McConnell) have yet to take that important step.

    There's some muttering about dropping him from the ticket for Pence. Ain't gonna happen - voting is already happening in a few states.

    All this in time for the next debate tomorrow. Images from that old movie "Scanners" comes to mind when HRC gets under his thin-skin.

    The nightmare for the GOP is staring it in the face, the weakest democratic candidate in decades , following on a even weaker ineffectual presidency , is going to beat the official republican candidate.


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