Eir rural FTTH thread

Gonzo · 21-09-2016 12:08PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Gonzo, you're getting it sooner than most here, stop with the oh no, I wont be getting it for crimbo..:rolleyes:
I repeat, You're getting it soon, no wait isn't there a small chance that they will pass on by your multi house road that has no blue line on..?
Hah, I think I see where you are coming from...you better get some tay and donuts ready...;)

I probably will get it before Christmas but I really do feel a better system of feedback to the customer is needed on the line checker rather than the same generic response to everyone who cannot get fiber. The checker only updates when the product is live.

So many people here have asked over the past 6 months, is their line getting it, blue line stops one home away. Would be good to at least let the 300,000 premises lines know that something is in the pipeline for them and a rough estimate of how soon. Open Eir know exactly what premises are getting it, wouldn't be that hard to implement some sort of message on the checker for numbers associated with future FTTH premises.

I have several relations scattered throughout Meath and they are at their wits end with crap broadband, some of them have no broadband at all and are relying on satellite with dial-up as backup and a tiny cap. Blue line runs just past their road but not to their home.

I just think some extra feedback to customers wouldn't hurt, as well as an easier map to look at how the rollout is going.

daraghwal · 21-09-2016 04:16PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

daraghwal wrote: »

It was also quite funny when they got in a tech guy to set fibrerollout.ie as the homepage on internet explorer because someone closed the browser. They were like ooooooh ok. That's how to do it...
In fairness yes, they are doing really good work regarding rural fibre but the people sent to the ploughing didn't have a clue.

Were they Eir or OpenEir? If the Latter They sure would have a clue...They are there to talk mainly to farmers like, so Hit them with hard questions,I am sure they will keep stum...

Now, there's a word I haven't used in a long time...

I did try with harder questions but all he said to me was "do you not believe me. This is what's happening". so I left it at that.

EDIT: It was openeir

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-09-2016 05:08PM

damienirel wrote: »

it was Carolan Lennon - same old promotional nonsense - no question on deadlines.
Mentioned that only 1000 homes have FTTH now. But that 300k would get it.
You don't need to be a mathematician to estimate the dates on this rollout are grossly exaggerated.

She specifically mentioned 1000 premises able to order from the end of September. The three areas listed with a 28th of September date have a total of 1470 premises due. It will be interesting to see if they publish the numbers and if they tally with Ms Lennon's assertion.

Also I thought she was slightly disingenuous when Kenny mentioned about the old copper pair and it's limitations. The way she phrased the reply it sounded like they have run FTTH to 1.6 million premises.

She got several good digs in at Siro. They don't publish numbers. They have passed less than 10000 premises. They are "overbuilding" fibre infrastructure in already serviced urban locations.

damienirel · 21-09-2016 05:31PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

She specifically mentioned 1000 premises able to order from the end of September. The three areas listed with a 28th of September date have a total of 1470 premises due. It will be interesting to see if they publish the numbers and if they tally with Ms Lennon's assertion.

Also I thought she was slightly disingenuous when Kenny mentioned about the old copper pair and it's limitations. The way she phrased the reply it sounded like they have run FTTH to 1.6 million premises.

She got several good digs in at Siro. They don't publish numbers. They have passed less than 10000 premises. They are "overbuilding" fibre infrastructure in already serviced urban locations.

Yeah Kenny had a few questions that he read out from listeners too that were pretty good like "what about me I live in dublin city and there's a fibre cabinet across the road?" - her response on 2 of those type questions was the same old generic answer they've been giving for years - "yeah we plan to fix that". If we don't start getting dates I wouldn't hold my breath. People that expect to get a good service that don't should be given some estimation. Instead they pipe on about fibre this fibre that, you'd nearly think you could even get a 1gb connection on the top of Carrauntoohil.

Gonzo · 21-09-2016 06:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

If we don't start getting dates I wouldn't hold my breath. People that expect to get a good service that don't should be given some estimation. Instead they pipe on about fibre this fibre that, you'd nearly think you could even get a 1gb connection on the top of Carrauntoohil.

that's exactly why I've been saying the line checker needs to provide more customized feedback.

- those who are getting it within 28 days should have an exact date message
- those who are getting it within 3 months should have an estimated date message.
- those who are longer than 3 months should be informed that fiber will be coming their way with a winter/spring/summe/autumn 2017 msg.

- those who are not on the blue line and have to wait for the NBP should have a message saying 'currently there are no plans to upgrade your line, however your line qualify s for future development under the National Broadband Plan '.

The exchanges that are going live on 28th September only have certain segments going live. When will the other customers on blue lines in these 'live exchanges' be connected?

People would rather some form of feedback regarding their line rather than living on hope. They can go and plan another provider in the meantime or plan soon for going with Eir for FTTH.

Geuze · 21-09-2016 09:21PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

She got several good digs in at Siro. They don't publish numbers. They have passed less than 10000 premises. They are "overbuileircding" fibre infrastructure in already serviced urban locations.

A somewhat valid point, as around me some estates will have:

eircom FTTC
UPC / Virgin
now Siro FTTP

mobil 222 · 22-09-2016 01:19AM

The Board of works will not allow any form of tree trimming be carried out
along any road from March to October,
Any FTTH route will have got permission by now from land owners ...
Councils have nothing to do with this
So you will see alot of routes trimmed over the next 5 Months.
Also something to keep in mind is all it takes is for one person along a route
to object to branches been cut to hold every thing up
I know of 5 routes in the Sligo area that have fibre pulled in along esb crossings, and other small underground crossings ie where houses have been built.
An eir lad was also out marking poles to be changed and has been putting different color tape markings on some poles....the reason for this i think would
be for the different guage of cable.

So the next few months up to the end of March 2017 will be very busy especially to get as much tree trimming out of the way

long_b · 22-09-2016 06:51AM

mobil 222 wrote: »

The Board of works will not allow any form of tree trimming be carried out
along any road from March to October,
Any FTTH route will have got permission by now from land owners ... C pm
Councils have nothing to do with this
So you will see alot of routes trimmed over the next 5 Months.
Also something to keep in mind is all it takes is for one person along a route
to object to branches been cut to hold every thing up
I know of 5 routes in the Sligo area that have fibre pulled in along esb crossings, and other small underground crossings ie where houses have been built.
An eir lad was also out marking poles to be changed and has been putting different color tape markings on some poles....the reason for this i think would
be for the different guage of cable.

So the next few months up to the end of March 2017 will be very busy especially to get as much tree trimming out of the way

So if a landowner objects to trimming, do they get a certain amount of time to do it themselves or what happens then?

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 08:47AM

mobil 222 wrote: »

The Board of works will not allow any form of tree trimming be carried out
along any road from March to October,

Can you define board of works?

The law as it stands is 1st March through to 31st August

Are you saying a Private company is not allowing their workers cut trees from ?March to ?October

If you saying no cutting allowed on any road till sometime in october can you get them to inform the councils and farmers...

WexIan · 22-09-2016 08:53AM

It is illegal to cut hedges which would include branches that may obstruct cables.
https://www.npws.ie/news/hedge-cutting-notice-2016

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 08:56AM

mobil 222 wrote: »

Also something to keep in mind is all it takes is for one person along a route
to object to branches been cut to hold every thing up

The council owns the road and can cut along the road side to the boundary of the farmers field...the ESB do this Eir do this councils do this, Though I have heard of farmers and house owners being requested/told/ordered to cut the hedges, over hanging trees by the council...

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 09:02AM

WexIan wrote: »

It is illegal to cut hedges which would include branches that may obstruct cables.
https://www.npws.ie/news/hedge-cutting-notice-2016

No, anything dangerous, such as blocking of road signs and proximity to powerlines etc can be trimmed...

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 09:05AM

What Mobil 222 is on about, is that it is easier to cut trees etc. pull cables along roads etc. by October there is no leaves on the trees..

Gonzo · 22-09-2016 10:11AM

most of the hedges along the ducting between my area and the last cab in Dunshaughlin were cut again 2 days ago.

damienirel · 22-09-2016 10:32AM

Guys, from my experience if Electric Ireland want to cut hedges, trees etc. they cut them whenever they like. They cut a tree at the back of my house in july of this year, I'd imagine the same rule applies to openeir. So if there is a will there is a way - not sure objections would be listened to if the poles/pylons are preexisting. Maybe somebody on here knows the laws around this. This hedge cutting nonsense is not the reason openeir are doing a delayed rollout - openeir are the reason openeir are doing a slow rollout!

jd · 22-09-2016 10:33AM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Can you define board of works?

The OPW was originally the Board of Works.

In 1996, Duchas was set up, and parts of its remit was National Parks and wildlife (taken from the OPW).

In 2003, it was abolished, and National Parks and Wildlife came under NPWS https://www.npws.ie/

So the poster means the NPWS. Board of Works is an obsolete term, mainly used by elderly rural people

Dero · 22-09-2016 10:34AM

damienirel wrote: »

I'd imagine the same rule applies to openeir.

I don't think they do. ESB Networks have have more power and scope in regards to things like this (electricity is more dangerous and more important than any phone line).

damienirel · 22-09-2016 10:37AM

Dero wrote: »

I don't think they do. ESB Networks have have more power and scope in regards to things like this (electricity is more dangerous and more important than any phone line).

With that logic if my landline stops working in july because of branches of a tree falling on it - then openeir can do nothing about it until september?? I know they can be slow to fix things but wtf?

marno21 · 22-09-2016 10:48AM

eir to hire an additional 100 workers to join the rural broadband rollout team

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0922/818314-jobs-eir-biopharma/

damienirel · 22-09-2016 10:59AM

The amount of times hedge cutting has been brought up in this thread.
Can we set up another thread for "Eir & their Hedge-cutting endeavors" maybe eir should tweet a link to a little video clip of how they plan to chop 10,000 miles of hedges that would stretch from here to shanghai - lol! :rolleyes:

KOR101 · 22-09-2016 10:59AM

irishtimes.com
Eir creates 100 jobs as part of rural broadband expansion

Mark Hilliard

Eir has announced the creation of 100 jobs related to the rollout of high speed fibre broadband across Ireland.

The positions include poling crews, cabling technicians and fibre splicers, the company said in a statement on Thursday.

Eir broadband price hike unjustified, say rival telecom firms
Eir grows annual revenue for first time since 2008
Eir to sell two large industrial sites at key Dublin locations

KN Network Services, one of its suppliers, will recruit the staff required and expects to fill the majority of roles within the next three months.

The move is part of an increase in eir crews and contractors to 800, including 50 apprenticeships already in place, working on the rollout of high-speed fibre broadband to rural areas.

The company has said it is committed to recruiting 300 apprentices over the course of the expansion and will be announcing a further recruitment drive for apprentice and engineering roles in the coming months.

“Eir has embarked on the largest telecoms investment project of its kind in Ireland. To date, we have spent close to €400m alone on our high-speed fibre broadband rollout programme,” said Open Eir managing director Carolan Lennon.

To date, 1.6 million homes and businesses have been provided with access to high-speed fibre broadband by Eir with the company also committed to reaching an additional 300,000 rural premises before 2020.

damienirel · 22-09-2016 11:02AM

KOR101 wrote: »

irishtimes.com
Eir creates 100 jobs as part of rural broadband expansion

Mark Hilliard

Eir has announced the creation of 100 jobs related to the rollout of high speed fibre broadband across Ireland.

The positions include poling crews, cabling technicians and fibre splicers, the company said in a statement on Thursday.

Eir broadband price hike unjustified, say rival telecom firms
Eir grows annual revenue for first time since 2008
Eir to sell two large industrial sites at key Dublin locations

KN Network Services, one of its suppliers, will recruit the staff required and expects to fill the majority of roles within the next three months.

The move is part of an increase in eir crews and contractors to 800, including 50 apprenticeships already in place, working on the rollout of high-speed fibre broadband to rural areas.

The company has said it is committed to recruiting 300 apprentices over the course of the expansion and will be announcing a further recruitment drive for apprentice and engineering roles in the coming months.

“Eir has embarked on the largest telecoms investment project of its kind in Ireland. To date, we have spent close to €400m alone on our high-speed fibre broadband rollout programme,” said Open Eir managing director Carolan Lennon.

To date, 1.6 million homes and businesses have been provided with access to high-speed fibre broadband by Eir with the company also committed to reaching an additional 300,000 rural premises before 2020.

What no hedge-cutters?

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 11:32AM

damienirel wrote: »

What no hedge-cutters?

I'm thinking the councils will be doing the hedge cutting along with all the farmers...It is a remit? of certain eu payments to farmers that all hedges are maintained...during the months 1st sept. to 28th feb.
Hedge cutting times are important here as it has a direct consequence to when eir can cut hedges, trees etc... and its due to the protection of birds.

There is no way they would be allowed to cut all along a hedgerow inc. tidying up trees just to install a cable within the months march to end od august...countrywide...The Eu would have a field day fining everyone...

jd · 22-09-2016 11:36AM

damienirel wrote: »

What no hedge-cutters?

I wonder will the IFA be helping on that!

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 11:37AM

jd wrote: »

The OPW was originally the Board of Works.

In 1996, Duchas was set up, and parts of its remit was National Parks and wildlife (taken from the OPW).

In 2003, it was abolished, and National Parks and Wildlife came under NPWS https://www.npws.ie/

So the poster means the NPWS. Board of Works is an obsolete term, mainly used by elderly rural people

The dates are mention in post above... Mobil 222 got his october wrong...its september..

Gonzo · 22-09-2016 11:47AM

good news that they are hiring more guys, the roll-out really needs it, if dates are to stay on schedule from now on.

damienirel · 22-09-2016 11:51AM

Gonzo wrote: »

good news that they are hiring more guys, the roll-out really needs it, if dates are to stay on schedule from now on.

maybe they'll assign a few of the noobs to hedge cutting duties?

Gonzo · 22-09-2016 11:55AM

damienirel wrote: »

maybe they'll assign a few of the noobs to hedge cutting duties?

I think it's local farmers that's doing the hedge cutting. The hedge cutting I saw 2 days ago I'm not entirely sure it was to do with the FTTH rollout because Eir already did all the ducting work in that location last April, and the fibre will run underground, not sure why the hedge needed cutting for other than it grew lots over the summer and looked untidy.

murphaph · 22-09-2016 11:57AM

damienirel wrote: »

maybe they'll assign a few of the noobs to hedge cutting duties?

Maybe they'll assign a load of them to gathering, processing and presenting data so the insatiable appetite for dates, dates, dates!! on here can be satisfied. Of course that would slow the rollout itself down as Eir doesn't have limitless resources, but we want dates!!

pegasus1 · 22-09-2016 11:59AM

Gonzo wrote: »

I think it's local farmers that's doing the hedge cutting. The hedge cutting I saw 2 days ago I'm not entirely sure it was to do with the FTTH rollout because Eir already did all the ducting work in that location last April, and the fibre will run underground, not sure why the hedge needed cutting for other than it grew lots over the summer and looked untidy.

Its best they cut the hedge now as then it doesnt need cutting till this time next year....you ill see farmers and agriculture contractors doing lots of cutting these days....now get back to the fibre...

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