2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

hatrickpatrick · 20-09-2016 04:53PM

The Clinton-Combetta-Reddit story is struggling to make it into the mainstream US news (of course) but it's now made it to Fox News and IBTimes, the latter of which can tend to be a catalyst for viral news stories... If any of this verifies, she's f*cked.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/20/paul-combetta-it-specialist-who-deleted-hillary-clinton-emails-may-have-asked-reddit-tips

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clintons-tech-specialist-who-deleted-emails-may-have-asked-reddit-tips-1582223

How long does the House Intelligence Committee generally take to produce a report?

KingBrian2 · 20-09-2016 05:01PM

Brian? wrote: »

If you think Hillary had policies ad Sos, you have a very poor understanding of how a cabinet works.

What policies does Trump have for the middle east apart from bombing the **** out of it, families included. I'm paraphrasing.

Hillary has frustrated efforts to conduct peaceful relations with foreign powers. Interesting Trump stands for traditional American values of free trade recognizing that free trade can improve relations with Russia & Syria. The TTIP which I don't know the intimate details about is universally disliked across Europe and Clinton benefits enormously from this. It opens Europe up to exploitation under current policies.

Manic Moran · 20-09-2016 05:03PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Well, that's about the most succinct and accurate summary of this presidential race that I've seen. I am honestly at a loss to see how someone could support either of them.[/quote]
Over three hundred million people in this country... And these are the best two we put forward. Think about that.

Brian? · 20-09-2016 05:24PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Hillary has frustrated efforts to conduct peaceful relations with foreign powers. Interesting Trump stands for traditional American values of free trade recognizing that free trade can improve relations with Russia & Syria. The TTIP which I don't know the intimate details about is universally disliked across Europe and Clinton benefits enormously from this. It opens Europe up to exploitation under current policies.

Nice swerve. What are Trump's policis for the middle east apart from "bomb the ****" out of ISIS, including women and children. Riddle me that horse.

Black Swan · 20-09-2016 05:31PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Interesting Trump stands for traditional American values of free trade recognizing that free trade can improve relations with Russia & Syria.

"Free trade" results in products and services going to the least expensive and less regulated nations where ROI was the greatest for investors. This means taking jobs away from America where labour costs were higher and regulations greater. To what extent does this "free trade" argument contradict what Trump said he would do when elected to office about Apple, Carrier Air, Ford, and other US corporations that currently exercise "free trade" by having parts made in foreign nations where labour costs and regulations are less? How can you challenge "free trade" by these US corporations, while at the same time encouraging "free trade" with "Russia & Syria?" Don't you see the contradiction? Is this your personal position, or Donald Trump's position, or both?

B0jangles · 20-09-2016 05:31PM

Babby Trump appears to be trying to out-Trump his own father:

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778209202095415296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Reminder: The source he is quoting is literally running Trump's campaign.

KingBrian2 · 20-09-2016 06:11PM

Black Swan wrote: »

"Free trade" results in products and services going to the least expensive and less regulated nations where ROI was the greatest for investors. This means taking jobs away from America where labour costs were higher and regulations greater. To what extent does this "free trade" argument contradict what Trump said he would do when elected to office about Apple, Carrier Air, Ford, and other US corporations that currently exercise "free trade" by having parts made in foreign nations where labour costs and regulations are less? How can you challenge "free trade" by these US corporations, while at the same time encouraging "free trade" with "Russia & Syria?" Don't you see the contradiction? Is this your personal position, or Donald Trump's position, or both?

Well since Hillary supports TTIP and Trump has no position on it. We will have to wait and see. He sees no future in the EU which I thoroughly disagree with but then again I don't agree with all his policies. To date his is purely been interested in areas he knows most well, namely China and America's massive trade deficit. The sanctions of Russia & Syria harms the world and this is very much the policy of Mrs Clinton.

ancapailldorcha · 20-09-2016 06:20PM

B0jangles wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-used-258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/2016/09/20/adc88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html?postshare=7751474381637324&tid=ss_tw

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/778240825817964544

Please try to add some context and info about the articles rather than just dumping them. Thanks.

Overheal · 20-09-2016 06:28PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well since Hillary supports TTIP and Trump has no position on it. We will have to wait and see. He sees no future in the EU which I thoroughly disagree with but then again I don't agree with all his policies. To date his is purely been interested in areas he knows most well, namely China and America's massive trade deficit. The sanctions of Russia & Syria harms the world and this is very much the policy of Mrs Clinton.

None of which answers the question: how can you say Trump is for free trade while he is threatening protectionist tax hikes on companies that produce outside the US?

Amerika · 20-09-2016 06:36PM

Brian? wrote: »

So when you objected to Obama governing by executive order, it was only because you disagreed with his policies? I thought you had an issue with the use of executive orders itself.

So will Republicans get all bent out of shape when Trump issues an executive order, the way they do now?

Actually, I dislike Executive Orders that essentially create law. If you look back I think you will see I said numerous times that if Obama is allowed to get away with it, every president afterward will utilize the same tactics… and should. That the time to stop it was then, and not when the office changes political party. That Obama was setting dangerous precedent. It should be the role of Congress to push back against a president if he oversteps his authority. And if they don’t it will continue. But what I don’t want is for a Congress to push back against a Republican president and give a Democratic president a pass.

Amerika · 20-09-2016 06:46PM

alastair wrote: »

A presidential impeachment on their first day of office is not. I know it's granting this nonsense far too much attention, but in order to impeach a president, you first have to have that president inaugurated, and then the impeachment process works it's way slowly through house and then it's referred to the senate for debate there. It's not a one-day affair by any measure.

Semantics, schmantics. The process for impeachment can start on day one.

Amerika · 20-09-2016 06:56PM

Black Swan wrote: »

This is a very misleading statement and was not based upon fact. Thus far Obama has 249 EOs, compared to GW Bush's 291, and no place near the Republican (beloved) Ronald Reagan's 381. If Donald Trump is elected and sworn-in 20 January 2017, odds are the Republicans will still control both Houses of US Congress, and if so, during the first two years of his term he will probably not use as many EOs as Obama or GW Bush, and certainly not as many as Reagan.

You and I have gone how many rounds on this already... That it's the quality of the EO's that matter, not the quantity?

Now let me get this right, in "week one" Trump will do all the things that you list? Someone with ZERO governance experience, ZERO US diplomacy experience, and ZERO preparation for CIC in "week one" will address all the things in your list? Do you really believe this statement? Is it practical given Trump's experience ZEROS? Even 2-term VP Joe Biden or Ronald Reagan could not do this in "week one," and Biden and Reagan were lightyears ahead of Trump in relevant job experiences to get the job done.

I said he 'can.' And you can quote me on that.

You don't think he and his transition team will just be sitting around for over two months sipping champagne, do you?

Perhaps he could consult with First Lady Melania Trump regarding her visa status when she 1st came to the US to work?

Perhaps, but if I had a wife that looked like Melania I'd think there would be better things to do than sit around discussing visa statuses.

Isn't it rich... the only person the Left has any concern about a visa status is Melania Trump.

johnnyskeleton · 20-09-2016 07:06PM

Mod note:

Please dont post full articles without comment.

B0jangles · 20-09-2016 07:09PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Please try to add some context and info about the articles rather than just dumping them. Thanks.

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Mod note:

Please dont post full articles without comment.

Ok, message thoroughly received.

alastair · 20-09-2016 07:19PM

Amerika wrote: »

Semantics, schmantics. The process for impeachment can start on day one.

Not what was being suggested though, was it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amerika
and first president to be impeached on day one of their presidency.

Overheal · 20-09-2016 07:26PM

Trump supporters will ignore this entirely, or think it's "good business" to perform nonprofit charity fraud

http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-economics/donald-trump-charity-revelations/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_7e7bde107f5a11e6bf8e470556fe0b22

Amerika · 20-09-2016 07:28PM

alastair wrote: »

Not what was being suggested though, was it?

Oh bother. I think most here, if they were honest, knew what I meant. But I'll give you a win on this, nonetheless.

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ancapailldorcha · 20-09-2016 07:33PM

Raise the standard of posting please.

TheDoctor · 20-09-2016 07:53PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Babby Trump appears to be trying to out-Trump his own father:

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778209202095415296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Reminder: The source he is quoting is literally running Trump's campaign.

The hell did I just read

Overheal · 20-09-2016 08:01PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

The hell did I just read

An editorial based on anecdotes that loosely cites "statistics" which in one case is a 2011 news article citing an indefinite timeframe of police reports, which itself doesn't link to any study or source or record.

Ya read some bullsh!t.

alastair · 20-09-2016 08:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

An editorial based on anecdotes that loosely cites "statistics" which in one case is a 2011 news article citing an indefinite timeframe of police reports, which itself doesn't link to any study or source or record.

Ya read some bullsh!t.

Bull**** from the (sadly) Dublin born Anne-Marie Waters, who has a long line of Islamophobic cant behind her, along with a rapid journey through a rogues gallery of associations.

http://www.irr.org.uk/news/sharia-watch-uk-and-the-metamorphosis-of-anne-marie-waters/

Sofa Spud · 20-09-2016 08:55PM

... and it's from Breitbart, so need to understand the context of factual reporting being not applicable - click bait for the alt:right...

Inquitus · 20-09-2016 10:51PM

How does Trump avoid becoming fatally unstuck in the debates, an hour plus, one on one, with Hillary surely can't play well given his lack of substance and bluster. It was easy to bluster for 2 hours sharing the stage with 10 GOP Candidates, this clearly a completely different ballgame, the moderators will push him for answers and surely not let him away with the sort of performances he put out in the GOP debates? It's hard to see how he can get past 3 debates without swaying a number of undecideds the wrong way, or is he really Mr Teflon and no blunders on prime time national TV can dent his ambitions, thoughts? I fully expect the debates to be his undoing, if there were none it looks like a coin flip at best.

Rjd2 · 20-09-2016 11:33PM

Inquitus wrote: »

How does Trump avoid becoming fatally unstuck in the debates, an hour plus, one on one, with Hillary surely can't play well given his lack of substance and bluster. It was easy to bluster for 2 hours sharing the stage with 10 GOP Candidates, this clearly a completely different ballgame, the moderators will push him for answers and surely not let him away with the sort of performances he put out in the GOP debates? It's hard to see how he can get past 3 debates without swaying a number of undecideds the wrong way, or is he really Mr Teflon and no blunders on prime time national TV can dent his ambitions, thoughts? I fully expect the debates to be his undoing, if there were none it looks like a coin flip at best.

He struggled towards the end of the debate cycle when Cruz and Rubio pinned him down, but both of those guys especially Cruz are very unlikable thus not much damage was done. He had to much momentum anyhow before Cruz and Rubio finally copped on that they needed to go hard after him, this time however he is still behind in the polls and Hilary won't stink of the desperation of Cruz and Rubio also.

However yep you are right, I have no clue how he survives the first 2 debates, he will try and turn this into a playground fight, but Hilary swerves that and turns it into an indepth policy debate he is ****ed.

The third debate is on Fox so he may survive that, but the damage will be done by then. I think he should have pushed to have Johnson on stage, as that would have taken some of the focus off him and Johnson is better at talking to the left and is hurting Hilary more than him.

I wouldn't be shocked if he refuses to do anymore debates after the first one, claiming media bias or some bollocks.

Black Swan · 21-09-2016 05:59AM

Amerika wrote: »

Isn't it rich... the only person the Left has any concern about a visa status is Melania Trump.

The "Left" label is a terribly oversimplistic, nominal either/or dichotomy that is "Yugely" misleading and lacking utility in the real world of politics, especially when observing the highly diverse political behaviour of independents, who outnumber either party registrations.

Melania Trump is not "the only person" that politically savvy voters and observers of this election have examined in terms of problematic visa status. Other examples exist and have been reported by numerous sources that are of concern like the 200 illegal Polish construction workers ("Polish Brigade") used by Donald Trump to build Trump Tower in New York. Or Donald Trump's Mar-A-Lago Club in Palm Beach Florida (in addition to other Trump properties about the country) where "The club has sought H-2B visas for low-skilled, low-wage workers such as cooks, wait staff and housekeepers," rather than employing American citizens to do the same work. Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth, condemning H-2B visa system in the US, threatening to deport 11 million illegals, while at the same time hiring illegal foreign workers or those on H-2B visas when it financially profits him.

Christy42 · 21-09-2016 08:21AM

Amerika wrote: »

Isn't it rich... the only person the Left has any concern about a visa status is Melania Trump.

You know that it is brought up to show Trump's hypocrisy on the matter right? So no it isn't a bit rich for the left to point it out given there is no serious concern over her visa status. If you want to know something that is rich then look no further than the fact that the right doesn't seem interested at all.

There aren't big campaigns to get her deported.

conditioned games · 21-09-2016 01:52PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Amerika wrote: »

Isn't it rich... the only person the Left has any concern about a visa status is Melania Trump.

You know that it is brought up to show Trump's hypocrisy on the matter right? So no it isn't a bit rich for the left to point it out given there is no serious concern over her visa status. If you want to know something that is rich then look no further than the fact that the right doesn't seem interested at all.

There aren't big campaigns to get her deported.

Melanie Trump went through the process and acquired her visa legally. 11 million illegals didn't go through that same legal process but you want to threat them the same?

Amerika · 21-09-2016 02:12PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Melanie Trump went through the process and acquired her visa legally. 11 million illegals didn't go through that same legal process but you want to threat them the same?

No, they want to treat Melania more harshly. She's married to a republican, ya know.

Mr.Micro · 21-09-2016 02:21PM

Inquitus wrote: »

How does Trump avoid becoming fatally unstuck in the debates, an hour plus, one on one, with Hillary surely can't play well given his lack of substance and bluster. It was easy to bluster for 2 hours sharing the stage with 10 GOP Candidates, this clearly a completely different ballgame, the moderators will push him for answers and surely not let him away with the sort of performances he put out in the GOP debates? It's hard to see how he can get past 3 debates without swaying a number of undecideds the wrong way, or is he really Mr Teflon and no blunders on prime time national TV can dent his ambitions, thoughts? I fully expect the debates to be his undoing, if there were none it looks like a coin flip at best.

Despite all the odds and his gaffes, he is still there. It will be interesting to see how it pans out come the debates.

alastair · 21-09-2016 02:25PM

Amerika wrote: »

No, they want to treat Melania more harshly. She's married to a republican, ya know.

She didn't marry a Republican though. She married a Democrat.

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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