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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Evidence to back up that claim?

    When did I call you a liar? Then I will happily back up the reason why I did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    The Clinton Global Initiative funny you mention it, is already prepared to take measures that ensure no conflict of interest in the event of her election. But good try.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-campaign-2016-bill-clinton-20160919-story,amp.html?client=safari

    Funny you mention that, but doing so is pretty much an admission that what they have done during her tenure as SoS was and involvement in wrongdoing, according to you.

    And by the way, aren't they considering having Chelsa take over the duties of running the Clinton Global Initiative. Admittedly, it would be a tough task running both a pay-to-play scheme while performing the duties usually reserved for the First Lady. Hope she is up to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    When did I call you a liar? Then I will happily back up the reason why I did.

    Originally Posted by Pro Hoc Vice View Post
    The markings are exactly the issue in a criminal case you know that but you lie to promote your own libertarian agenda. You know your candidate can't take votes from Trump so you attack the one they might abandon. Enjoy the racist you are helping to take the USA 50 years into the past hope you can sleep soundly.

    I might also ad, I have no libertarian agenda. I stated I would vote for Johnson due to the abject and appalling nature of the two main party candidates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    I might also ad, I have no libertarian agenda. I stated I would vote for Johnson due to the abject and appalling nature of the two main party candidates.

    Well you know the the 3 emails not correctly headed classified as they had (c) at the bottom, so as you knew that you have to be aware of the basis that it could not be proved she broke the law. So as you still repeating it must be a lie or stupid you decide. I'm happy with either.

    Are you are supporting Johnson! So then you must have some support for his ideals if you don't why not pick green.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Well you know the the 3 emails not correctly headed classified as they had (c) at the bottom, so as you knew that you have to be aware of the basis that it could not be proved she broke the law. So as you still repeating it must be a lie a stupid you decide.

    Are you not supporting Johnson? So then you must have some support for his ideals if you don't why not pick green.

    Again, you have failed to grasp the nature of the law surrounding classified materials, which is impressive given that I have posted the statutes here twice.

    She transmitted classified emails on an unsecure network. A crime.

    She allowed individuals without clearances access to said classified material. A crime.

    She lied under oath. A crime.

    Actions that were documented and admitted to by the FBI in testimony.

    So again, where have I lied?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets



    Are you not supporting Johnson? So then you must have some support for his ideals if you don't why not pick green.

    I dislike Stein and marginally dislike Johnson less.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Again, you have failed to grasp the nature of the law surrounding classified materials, which is impressive given that I have posted the statutes here twice.

    She transmitted classified emails on an unsecure network. A crime.

    She allowed individuals without clearances access to said classified material. A crime.

    She lied under oath. A crime.

    Actions that were documented and admitted to by the FBI in testimony.

    So again, where have I lied?

    And you keep ignoring the important words knowingly and willfully I take it back it's not a lie it's plain stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    I dislike Stein and marginally dislike Johnson less.

    So you dislike Clinton and I assume Trump more than Stalin.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Amerika wrote: »
    No story here. Trump said he would hand off the job of running the Trump business to his three kids.
    What are the odds that Donald Trump will use the Oval Office to facilitate business deals as president, especially with nations that have rejected his golf resorts proposals in the past, and then send his kids to sign the contracts and collect the checks? America for sale to the highest bidder? Just like Trump said: “It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Are you going to back up your claim of me lying or are you going to retract your comment?
    Nope you are a liar.
    And you keep ignoring the important words knowingly and willfully I take it back it's not a lie it's plain stupid.
    Again, you have failed to grasp the nature of the law surrounding classified materials, which is impressive given that I have posted the statutes here twice.



    Mod Note:

    Everyone on this thread knows what both of you are saying.

    AbusesToilets is saying that the fact it was transmitted means it was a crime. Pro Hoc Vice is saying that without evidence of intention they cannot prosecute.

    Any more of this derailing talk of who is or is not lying will result in a ban.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    ... America for sale to the highest bidder? Just like Trump said: “It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”

    Are you talking about what Trump might do, or what Hillary has already done?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Criminal intent is a hell of a thing. Take this guy for instance.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/local/man-who-hit-killed-local-mother-gets-60-days-in-jail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Amerika wrote: »
    Are you talking about what Trump might do, or what Hillary has already done?.

    If you're going to make accusations make them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    If you're going to make accusations make them

    I've reported on plenty already. Please try and keep up.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Amerika wrote: »
    If elected president, Hillary Clinton could pull off three historic firsts. First woman elected US president, first spouse of a previous president elected POTUS,
    Indeed, 2 historic firsts.
    Amerika wrote: »
    and first president to be impeached on day one of their presidency.
    You know that Hillary Clinton will not be impeached 20 January 2017, so why bother to make such statements? But while introducing historic firsts, you forgot to mention that Hillary Clinton is now historically behind Donald Trump? Trump may be the 1st presidential nominee in US history to be running for president while at the same time being a defendant in 3 different trials in 2 different states, New York and California? And the first trial in US District Court is scheduled for 28 November 2016 for alleged "fraud, racketeering, and corruption."

    Now what was the name of that for-profit university founded by Donald Trump in 2005 that was not legally a university according to New York law that was headquartered in Trump Tower? The one that collected 40 million USD, with 5 million USD going to Donald Trump, but failed only after 5 years of operation in 2010? Donald Trump failed? Did he really FAIL? I wonder what this failed "fake" university says about Donald Trump, especially the alleged charges of "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" which are REAL court charges for which Donald is REALLY being tried in US courts of law today, not accusations without legal merit made against his opponent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Indeed, 2 historic firsts.

    You know that Hillary Clinton will not be impeached 20 January 2017, so why bother to make such statements?
    All things are possible, my dear.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mo-brooks-hillary-clinton-impeachment
    But while introducing historic firsts, you forgot to mention that Hillary Clinton is now historically behind Donald Trump? Trump may be the 1st presidential nominee in US history to be running for president while at the same time being a defendant in 3 different trials in 2 different states, New York and California? And the first trial in US District Court is scheduled for 28 November 2016 for alleged "fraud, racketeering, and corruption."
    Oh, I agree Trump will be involved in many 'firsts' as president.
    Now what was the name of that for-profit university founded by Donald Trump in 2005 that was not legally a university according to New York law that was headquartered in Trump Tower? The one that collected 40 million USD, with 5 million USD going to Donald Trump, but failed only after 5 years of operation in 2010? Donald Trump failed? Did he really FAIL? I wonder what this failed "fake" university says about Donald Trump, especially the alleged charges of "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" which are REAL court charges for which Donald is REALLY being tried in US courts of law today, not accusations without legal merit made against his opponent.
    You do know Bill Clinton has his own university scandal which netted him $16.5 million? Shame it's not getting the same coverage from our biased media as Trump's is, right?

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/06/14/clinton-university-scandal-netted-bill-16-5-million.html


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Amerika wrote: »
    GOP talking points per URL? This is mere GOP presidential election spin that's intended by Republicans to influence uninformed voters, and has no practical foundation in fact. If Hillary Clinton is elected, all this spin will mysteriously disappear just like the Ground Zero Mosque controversy disappeared immediately following the November general election.
    Amerika wrote: »
    You do know Bill Clinton has his own university scandal which netted him $16.5 million? Shame it's not getting the same coverage from our biased media as Trump's is, right?
    Is Bill Clinton running for president 8 November 2016? This is news to me!

    Or is Melania Trump running for president and not Donald, you know, the one that claimed "I wrote it" speech she gave at the July 2016 RNC that had large blocks of text that appeared in the 2008 speech given by Michelle Obama. The same wanna-be First Lady Melania that also claimed to have earned a degree in Design & Architecture after attending a Slovenia university for only one year (per the RNC programme and her website that was taken down shortly after the RNC)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    GOP talking points per URL? This is mere GOP presidential election spin that's intended by Republicans to influence uninformed voters, and has no practical foundation in fact. If Hillary Clinton is elected, all this spin will mysteriously disappear just like the Ground Zero Mosque controversy disappeared immediately following the November general election.
    Perhaps, but it did show your statement was not as conclusive as you indicated.
    Is Bill Clinton running for president 8 November 2016? This is news to me!

    Or is Melania Trump running for president and not Donald, you know, the one that claimed "I wrote it" speech she gave at the July 2016 RNC that had large blocks of text that appeared in the 2008 speech given by Michelle Obama. The same wanna-be First Lady Melania that also claimed to have earned a degree in Design & Architecture after attending a Slovenia university for only one year (per the RNC programme and her website that was taken down shortly after the RNC)?

    Did Hillary, as Bill's spouse, benefit from the money he brought into the family? Remember, when they left the White House they were 'dead broke' so every penny counted, right? And last I heard, they were still married... at least on paper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    And what will President Trump do in his first week in office?

    President Obama decided to govern by Executive Orders. The problem with that is if you govern by executive orders, then the next President can come in and overturn them.

    So in week one Trump can negate the Paris Agreement on greenhouse-gas emissions. He can restart exploration of the Keystone pipeline. He can get really tough on the Iran agreement. He can suspend the Syrian refugee program. He can direct the Commerce Department to bring trade cases against China. He can go back to following our immigration laws and declare anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation, and act accordingly. He can curtail H-1B visas which are taking away skilled jobs from Americans. And he can ban anybody from countries experiencing problems with the exportation of terrorism such as Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Saudi Arabia from coming into the country until our vetting system is greatly improved.

    All sound pretty good to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Gintonious wrote: »
    I don't think they are making him say the racist/xenophobic/sexist comments.

    The media has a role to inform the people what we have here is 19th century yellow journalism. Editorials nitpicking and cross examining irrelevant pieces of information. Trump is not a seasoned politician and the media are trying to force him from the race by highlighting his bad points. Hillary has been given a free card to present a picture that is inherently untrue. Her policies as Secretary of State have cost lives, mainly Arab & African lives.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The media has a role to inform the people what we have here is 19th century yellow journalism. Editorials nitpicking and cross examining irrelevant pieces of information. Trump is not a seasoned politician and the media are trying to force him from the race by highlighting his bad points. Hillary has been given a free card to present a picture that is inherently untrue. Her policies
    as Secretary of State have cost lives, mainly Arab & African lives.

    She didn't have any policies as SoS. If you want someone to hate, hate Obama.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    I think we need the first debate to have something new to talk about


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Amerika wrote: »
    And what will President Trump do in his first week in office?

    President Obama decided to govern by Executive Orders. The problem with that is if you govern by executive orders, then the next President can come in and overturn them.

    So in week one Trump can negate the Paris Agreement on greenhouse-gas emissions. He can restart exploration of the Keystone pipeline. He can get really tough on the Iran agreement. He can suspend the Syrian refugee program. He can direct the Commerce Department to bring trade cases against China. He can go back to following our immigration laws and declare anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation, and act accordingly. He can curtail H-1B visas which are taking away skilled jobs from Americans. And he can ban anybody from countries experiencing problems with the exportation of terrorism such as Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Saudi Arabia from coming into the country until our vetting system is greatly improved.

    So when you objected to Obama governing by executive order, it was only because you disagreed with his policies? I thought you had an issue with the use of executive orders itself.

    So will Republicans get all bent out of shape when Trump issues an executive order, the way they do now?
    All sound pretty good to me.

    If that's true, I feel sorry for you. Because you believe in isolationism. The US didn't become great by isolating itself from the world.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I think we need the first debate to have something new to talk about

    I agree. We're going in circles.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Brian? wrote: »
    She didn't have any policies as SoS. If you want someone to hate, hate Obama.

    Oh, i think we can take that as read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Amerika wrote: »

    A presidential impeachment on their first day of office is not. I know it's granting this nonsense far too much attention, but in order to impeach a president, you first have to have that president inaugurated, and then the impeachment process works it's way slowly through house and then it's referred to the senate for debate there. It's not a one-day affair by any measure.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    alastair wrote: »
    A presidential impeachment on their first day of office is not. I know it's granting this nonsense far too much attention, but in order to impeach a president, you first have to have that president inaugurated, and then the impeachment process works it's way slowly through house and then it's referred to the senate for debate there. It's not a one-day affair by any measure.

    You should know better than to rely on facts. It's all about feelings now. We're in a post-factual world. If Amerika feels Hillary can be impeached on day one, who are you to tell him how to feel? You monster.

    /sarcasm

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Brian? wrote: »
    She didn't have any policies as SoS. If you want someone to hate, hate Obama.

    Incorrect she was strongly infavour of the necons and their interventionism. She does not have a policy about that region. All she can say is Trump is a hateful individual. Washington needs better policies Trumps' got them running towards the exit doors. I hear

    [url][/url]


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Incorrect she was strongly infavour of the necons and their interventionism. She does not have a policy about that region. All she can say is Trump is a hateful individual. Washington needs better policies Trumps' got them running towards the exit doors. I hear

    [url][/url]

    If you think Hillary had policies ad Sos, you have a very poor understanding of how a cabinet works.

    What policies does Trump have for the middle east apart from bombing the **** out of it, families included. I'm paraphrasing.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Amerika wrote: »
    President Obama decided to govern by Executive Orders.
    This is a very misleading statement and was not based upon fact. Thus far Obama has 249 EOs, compared to GW Bush's 291, and no place near the Republican (beloved) Ronald Reagan's 381. If Donald Trump is elected and sworn-in 20 January 2017, odds are the Republicans will still control both Houses of US Congress, and if so, during the first two years of his term he will probably not use as many EOs as Obama or GW Bush, and certainly not as many as Reagan.
    Amerika wrote: »
    And what will President Trump do in his first week in office?
    Amerika wrote: »
    So in week one Trump can negate the Paris Agreement on greenhouse-gas emissions. He can restart exploration of the Keystone pipeline. He can get really tough on the Iran agreement. He can suspend the Syrian refugee program. He can direct the Commerce Department to bring trade cases against China. He can go back to following our immigration laws and declare anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation, and act accordingly. He can curtail H-1B visas which are taking away skilled jobs from Americans. And he can ban anybody from countries experiencing problems with the exportation of terrorism such as Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Saudi Arabia from coming into the country until our vetting system is greatly improved.
    Amerika wrote: »
    So in week one Trump can...
    Now let me get this right, in "week one" Trump will do all the things that you list? Someone with ZERO governance experience, ZERO US diplomacy experience, and ZERO preparation for CIC in "week one" will address all the things in your list? Do you really believe this statement? Is it practical given Trump's experience ZEROS? Even 2-term VP Joe Biden or Ronald Reagan could not do this in "week one," and Biden and Reagan were lightyears ahead of Trump in relevant job experiences to get the job done.
    Amerika wrote: »
    He can curtail H-1B visas which are taking away skilled jobs from Americans.
    Perhaps he could consult with First Lady Melania Trump regarding her visa status when she 1st came to the US to work?


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