Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

yewtree wrote: »

Very few farmers below 30 cent/litre cash cost when everything included. But as it states in article fat/protein % livestock sales bring totAl output up to break even.
The lad is farming not to far from me, he Got a great opportunity and made the most of it. Industry needs more lads like him.

Fair play to him... But he should acknowledge in his interviews that were it not for his uncle offering his land as security Kevin could have had all the enthusiasm in the world and the best business plans... But He'd have duck all only for his uncle....

Also he sayes he loves milking cows... Yet he only milks his own 8 times a week.... Doesn't sound like a man that loves milking cows.....

Takes a day off every week during the spring... Who does the work those days?? No mention of that....

I have more respect for that lad if he was doing less interviews..... And more work on his uncles farm.....

Having said all above I wish him all the best....

jaymla627 wrote: »

What did I misquote I specially said his breakeven base price was 22 cent a litre, the 34 cent figure I'm finding it difficult to see how it was obtained....
Say solids where giving 4 cent over base and stock sales 3 cent a litre that means without the sfp their was a 5 cent loss that should maybe be pointed out in the article that a new entrant on a 80 hectare rented block with no entitlements would be down 60000 odd grand if he was achieving exactly the same performance and figures

I see where Jay is going with this because on my reading the price of 22c is actually little to do with breakeven in the normal sense, what it really means is "if the base price was below 22c I would be losing money"

The break-even with full costs including, I think, the industrial wage is 34c, as KG says fair play for pointing that out, its a lot more realistic than many of the figures we see bandied about, by the by it is also close (perhaps higher?) than the equivalent figure on plenty of UK farms.

And he can only get to that, even when SFP calf sales etc. are included, if the base price is 22c or higher.

C0N0R wrote: »

Re Kevin Moran, we visited his farm as part of our Dairy Management course, he gave us figures and I grilled him on them and he had no problems explaining them, he is paying rent to his uncles. Ok he is very lucky with the situation he has landed himself in but he had worked hard for it at the same time. Passionate about dairy farming and knew that's what he always wanted to do. A real gentleman and after spending the morning with him you would be motivated about the future of the dairy industry.

Is the rent payed to the uncles in question being effectively cancelled out by the sfp he's receiving throught their entitlements our is another say 100 euro an acre being payed on top of this

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Are lads really that pedantic?
Where do majority of farmers get there land from?
Family!

I don't think he should do any less interviews, great to show young ppl that if they really want it they can't do it.

I wish him the best of luck. I don't want to be working in an industry in 30 yrs where there's no young ppl involved, no enthusiasm and parishes turn into 4 farms.
30 yrs time we will have a generation of kids that are even further again from the land

Parishes are turning into 4 farms as it is..... Now with quotas abolished that process has accelerated and will happen sooner rather than later.....

Keepgrowing wrote: »

If people can't see that as a positive story the Irish dairy industry is bet

It's generally positive kg but spun to fcuk and you know it. The oulboy was telling me about it on Sat morning, very impressed. We had a full and frank exchange of views on it. I hadn't seen either article at this stage but was well able to fill in the blanks in his interpretation of it. While it is well spun you'd also have to question the whole "wheist" speil we are subjected too continuously. He's in Galway. Home from 0 to 250 cows in a few years. What are the rest of them at?

freedominacup wrote: »

It's generally positive kg but spun to fcuk and you know it. The oulboy was telling me about it on Sat morning, very impressed. We had a full and frank exchange of views on it. I hadn't seen either article at this stage but was well able to fill in the blanks in his interpretation of it. While it is well spun you'd also have to question the whole "wheist" speil we are subjected too continuously. He's in Galway. Home from 0 to 250 cows in a few years. What are the rest of them at?

What's the wheist speil?
The opportunity he got was very unusual to get such a big block of land that in effect he had first refusal on. What I admire is he made the most of it, lots of fellas have got big blocks of land and done nothing with it

I have the figures at home, I'll be home in three weeks so can tell you then! Does it make a difference?? I know of a situation where a young fellow was offered a place to rent by a farmer who had been screwed over by tenants time and time again, the guy in question was able to get new entitlements from the national reserve and the value of the entitlements more than covered his outlay in rent.

At the end of the day the uncles are probably better off as they probably end up with more money in their pocket than from when they were beef farming it for a lot less work.

There are lads who can't make a living from land they get given and have no rent and receive all their sfp and have no borrowings, this lad is making the most of the situation he has found himself in, you can't begrudge him that. He freely admits that he couldn't have done a thing without his uncles help re security on loans etc. While he was in ag college he was full time farming also.

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Most of these farmer of the year competitions pick a candidate that represents the views of the Advertisers behind it(sorry, i mean sponsors). A success story is required atm, maybe next year when milk is heading back in the 30cs it will be a high input herd to maximise potential profits are required.

Last years winner was a pig farmer.

whelan2 wrote: »

Last years winner was a pig farmer.

Thought it was just the dairy section, sorry.
Still stand by my opinion.

Who does the other 6 milkings. How much did 250 cows cost . How much rent is he paying. Do the uncles work on farm. Are they paid for their time

Read the article ,massively impressed with him and his vision as a 23 year old ,who cares if he only milks 8 times a week ,dairy farming is way more than milking cows and physically working on the farm ,there's budgeting of grass and finances etc etc far more important ,
On the cost issue its transparent enough if u read whole article ,34 cent is what it costs him to produce milk ,end of .my issue is the wuoting of the 22 cent ,really irks me and a major flaw of profit monitors ,Tegasc farmers journals,agriland articles etc etc .it gives a totally unrealistic picture of what it costs to produce milk .farmer works for nothing ,land is free and were debt free