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kowtow

Am on the hunt for a small meal bin for the parlour, 4-6 tonnes, if anyone is upgrading with the grant, or knows of one?

Have six inch augur already going into parlour, at feeder height, not sure if it is possible to put flexi augur on the end of rigid augur or whether a bin needs to be the right height to match the augur?

visatorro

kowtow wrote: »

Am on the hunt for a small meal bin for the parlour, 4-6 tonnes, if anyone is upgrading with the grant, or knows of one?

Have six inch augur already going into parlour, at feeder height, not sure if it is possible to put flexi augur on the end of rigid augur or whether a bin needs to be the right height to match the augur?

Are you buying second hand kowtow? I'm fairly sure you can put flex onto rigid augers. Anyone selling the augers would tell you for sure

alps

mf240 wrote: »

That's one of those statistical anomalies that has been misinterpreted imo.

It maybe misrepresented and misquoted somewhat but the argument has merit.

I've had this from a NZ researcher comparing COP's of various farms and specifically where these costs increased due to increased feeding over a period if time. The argument did not make any claim that any less profit was made..It was only an analysis of cost.
The claim was that as feeding rates increased so did the volume of output. It led to increased milking parlour wear, inserted electricity, cooling, labour etc cossesponding to the output. It also led to an increase in slurry and dirty water spreading costs, which did sum up that for every $1 spend on feed, overall costs rose by $1.?? (I can't remember the figure)
A logical conclusion, but it did not assess whether you made more profit or not..

I would leave that conclusion to the experts here...

kowtow

visatorro wrote: »

Are you buying second hand kowtow? I'm fairly sure you can put flex onto rigid augers. Anyone selling the augers would tell you for sure

I'd rather not buy a new one for such a small bunch, and already have all the augurs (actually have two complete sets of augurs)... also have the boot off what I think was a Crowley bin on the end of the 6" set of augurs.

I'd rather not have a bin at all.. a bit of flexi augur connected to the existing augur and curving down into a 2 tonne bag or similar would be perfect but I have a feeling that it's not that simple... I suppose the easiest thing is to try and find a blow in bin and set it at the exact height of the 6" augur?

kevthegaff

kowtow wrote:

Have six inch augur already going into parlour, at feeder height, not sure if it is possible to put flexi augur on the end of rigid augur or whether a bin needs to be the right height to match the augur?

Its better in the long run less of an angle, but mine does a full c loop. One of my augers had yo be welded this year so maybe that was the cause

kowtow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Its better in the long run less of an angle, but mine does a full c loop. One of my augers had yo be welded this year so maybe that was the cause

Is the flex augur connected to a rigid augur? Or does it go all the way around the feeders?

Presumably the flexi stuff is like a spring in a pipe? Can you just hang it off the end of normal rigid / steel cored setup?. That would be magic.

pedigree 6

Only thing i'll say to you kowtow is if you buy a new bin, you should have it for a lifetime and you won't be worrying about rust and welding etc plus (don't know if you care or not:P) it will look better. If you are buying new there's a big difference in quality and steel in bins too. Don't just compare on price.

It's a few years since I bought mine but there was a time when the bin was the price of the load of meal inside it.
If you want to compare bins the ploughing is a good place to do it.

I bought my first bin covered in under the cone with a door for access, as I had the cows crossing the same yard and I was able to use it as a store as well and lock the door. That was 16 years ago and the bin is as good as the day it went in.

Buford T. Justice XIX

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Only thing i'll say to you kowtow is if you buy a new bin, you should have it for a lifetime and you won't be worrying about rust and welding etc plus (don't know if you care or not:P) it will look better. If you are buying new there's a big difference in quality and steel in bins too. Don't just compare on price.

It's a few years since I bought mine but there was a time when the bin was the price of the load of meal inside it.
If you want to compare bins the ploughing is a good place to do it.

I bought my first bin covered in under the cone with a door for access, as I had the cows crossing the same yard and I was able to use it as a store as well and lock the door. That was 16 years ago and the bin is as good as the day it went in.

Vmac?

pedigree 6

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Vmac?

Yep.
So good I bought another one when building the parlour 6 years ago instead of going to the bother of moving that one. :pac:

Buford T. Justice XIX

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Yep.
So good I bought another one when building the parlour 6 years ago instead of going to the bother of moving that one. :pac:

I'm going to the ploughing looking at bins. I was planning replacing my 25yo 6t bin next spring but it will have to wait another year:(

Are they worth the extra few hundred euro over the 'normal' bin?

pedigree 6

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I'm going to the ploughing looking at bins. I was planning replacing my 25yo 6t bin next spring but it will have to wait another year:(

Are they worth the extra few hundred euro over the 'normal' bin?

Well the 6t second bin I got I didn't get it covered under the cone, as the cows wouldn't be near that bin. But it has a bagging chute as well as the auger underneath. Very handy. But if livestock have no access to the bin I wouldn't bother. That said i'm able to use under the first bin as a lockable store.

kevthegaff

kowtow wrote:

Is the flex augur connected to a rigid augur? Or does it go all the way around the feeders?

kowtow wrote:

Presumably the flexi stuff is like a spring in a pipe? Can you just hang it off the end of normal rigid / steel cored setup?. That would be magic.

Both are flex long run too onto a bearing under the bin, I'd imagine it's possible with a bit of weld or a fitting

kevthegaff

Have a 40 yr old 14 ton here and a 12 ton new one 2 yrs ago. The bigger are cheaper in comparison, problem is built a shed around both so if I'm going to put in a parlour eventually might need a crane!!

Keepgrowing

caseman wrote: »

I don't think i insulted anybody parents in that post told it as i seen it.
If i did my apologies

You misunderstood me, I totally agree about the mid representation of facts. If your Mam/Dad helps out don't deny it rather celebrate it but Jesus give them credit

Keepgrowing

whelan2 wrote: »

I dont think you did either , I think keepgrowing was saying its very bad form on the farmers involved part to have their mother still out doing their work. That day should be long gone

Not that either, just if they do SAY SO

GrasstoMilk

http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/the-man-who-milks-america-35023146.html

War chest is the key word in that article.
That needs to be every farmers "must do" when price rises.
Can't be using your contractor or coop as a bank

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote: »

(don't know if you care or not:P) it will look better. ...

It would have to look an awful lot better to stop me wrapping it in a clock tower

wats the craic

Dawggone wrote: »

Have they increased price?

best price in the south at 25.2 and best in the north at 20 pence a litre

wats the craic

Timmaay wrote: »

Will they swing off the n11 at the beehive for me .? Out of interest are you paid in stg or euro? The exchange rate must of made a big impact on the price this yr?

i doubt that would be a problem lad . paid in euro from the dublin reg company

kowtow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Both are flex long run too onto a bearing under the bin, I'd imagine it's possible with a bit of weld or a fitting

So basically the flexi bit is an extension of the static auger, and driven by it as well? Have to shorten the existing ones in a couple of places so if we could weld on a length of flexi that would be perfect....

Might have to go and look at bins at the ploughing, and flexi augers - do the augers come from the bin makers or is there another whole crowd for that?

In fact with everyone buying new bins, the ploughing might be the perfect place to secure a trade in.

whelan2

Keepgrowing wrote: »

You misunderstood me, I totally agree about the mid representation of facts. If your Mam/Dad helps out don't deny it rather celebrate it but Jesus give them credit

My dad was saying he went to a farmers yard a few years ago, heard milking machine going and went to parlour and the guys mother was milking-she would have been near 80- My dad asked where the son was , she said oh he's in the house watching tv :eek::eek:

pedigree 6

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/the-man-who-milks-america-35023146.html

War chest is the key word in that article.
That needs to be every farmers "must do" when price rises.
Can't be using your contractor or coop as a bank

Shock horror he spent $4.5m out of cashflow when prices were good.:D

War chest - float it's all the same thing. Whether it's a farm or corner shop it's all the same. Sense you either have it or you don't.
Can't teach it. You have to learn it the hard way.

pedigree 6

kowtow wrote: »

It would have to look an awful lot better to stop me wrapping it in a clock tower

Bit of imported Norway fir cladding on the outside. Be a fine job.:pac:

kevthegaff

kowtow wrote:

Might have to go and look at bins at the ploughing, and flexi augers - do the augers come from the bin makers or is there another whole crowd for that?

My augers came from the meal feeder guys, ids their called. Old bin I basically cut off bottom of bin and they welded frame underneath with auger going all the way to last feeder

GrasstoMilk

kevthegaff wrote: »

My augers came from the meal feeder guys, ids their called. Old bin I basically cut off bottom of bin and they welded frame underneath with auger going all the way to last feeder

What height is your bin off the ground?
We purchased a new bin last yr and went about getting feeders but ids told us the bin is too low to the ground. Says the angle is too sharp. Wanted it head height

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

kevthegaff wrote: »

My augers came from the meal feeder guys, ids their called. Old bin I basically cut off bottom of bin and they welded frame underneath with auger going all the way to last feeder

What height is your bin off the ground?
We purchased a new bin last yr and went about getting feeders but ids told us the bin is too low to the ground. Says the angle is too sharp. Wanted it head height

Would moving bin back help? Neighbour has cashmans with flexi auger and bottom of bin is about 3 feet off ground or less but is a good bit back from last feeder. Ours is right close to feeders but where bin is standing is 5 feet above parlour so its close to hopper level

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What height is your bin off the ground?
We purchased a new bin last yr and went about getting feeders but ids told us the bin is too low to the ground. Says the angle is too sharp. Wanted it head height

That's bs bin here is only 2 foot of ground, had to replace ids augurs here alright after they chewed themselves up after 6 months, where made of lego where replaced with crowley ones and no issues whatsoever in two years

yewtree

Have flexi augers here the side with the sharpest turn has given no end of trouble had to replace the auger this year it broken at the turn twice already, it's in 5 years. When they were replacing it I asked why it was giving so much trouble and the guy said the turn was too tight I wouldn't mind but it was the same guy who installed it.

Mooooo

I only turn em on when hoppers are near empty get 2 or 3 milkings without needing to turn em on hoping it will stretch the lifespan somebit

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

That's bs bin here is only 2 foot of ground, had to replace ids augurs here alright after they chewed themselves up after 6 months, where made of lego where replaced with crowley ones and no issues whatsoever in two years

I was thinking that. Haven't done anything since because the cash isn't there.
No way is bin being moved.
Friend has air operated dairy master pig feeders. Great looking job. I'll be looking at them