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Waffletraktor · 11-09-2016 08:38AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There is a bit of movement on an all Irish coarse ration containing barley and beans which should be widely available this winter for something like 180 /t, iirc.

Sorry wasnt quite clear, h/c is shorthand for human consumption. You will have less bruchid beetle about in ireland so a chance for quality as it avoids holes from larvae burrowing out of the bean. Chocolate spot and leaf spot and mildew may be an issue.
Feed grade grains are a waste of time, they dont pay.

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 09:21AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Tail docking.... Tut tut

Lol
I suppose docked tails in a herd of cows is a bit like assholes in a room of people, a small enough percentage but easily spotted !

whelan2 · 11-09-2016 09:31AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Shyte caked cows

Wait until after they are scanned , then they will be **** caked

Mooooo · 11-09-2016 09:35AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There is a bit of movement on an all Irish coarse ration containing barley and beans which should be widely available this winter for something like 180 /t, iirc.

Sorry wasnt quite clear, h/c is shorthand for human consumption. You will have less bruchid beetle about in ireland so a chance for quality as it avoids holes from larvae burrowing out of the bean. Chocolate spot and leaf spot and mildew may be an issue.
Feed grade grains are a waste of time, they dont pay.

Two tillage guys, one I know another I was told off, sell majority of there crops direct to farmer customers be it forage crops, maize or whole crop or beet or rolled barley. Both crowds big acres and not dropping. Seems to be working for them ahead selling to the coops. The one I deal with only plants what he will have sold already more or less

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 09:36AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Wait until after they are scanned , then they will be **** caked

It's a hard day on man and beast. A guy in our group is getting a guy with a rectal probe which does away with the arm needing to be inserted. It's the one day I feel sorry for the cows. Have you tried this system?

Mooooo · 11-09-2016 09:40AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Shyte caked cows

Wait until after they are scanned , then they will be **** caked

One vet here uses a type of curved applicator for lack of a better word that he puts the probe into. Cows hardly know they are scanned at all. The odd one he may have to handle but it's a away faster as well

whelan2 · 11-09-2016 09:41AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

It's a hard day on man and beast. A guy in our group is getting a guy with a rectal probe which does away with the arm needing to be inserted. It's the one day I feel sorry for the cows. Have you tried this system?

No just normal way. Took 2 weeks for them to stop ****ting

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 09:54AM

Tough work being a cow in Ireland. This scene is replicated all over the country

Comfortable, clean and walk to and from milking in their own time. We go Ayr and its 6 months of concrete. Ask the cow what she'd prefer, ask the processor or the consumer will they pay?

No
No
No

mf240 · 11-09-2016 11:03AM

Cows would be clean and comfortable in a lot of the more modern cubicle sheds.

A lot of the bigger lads don't have housing for the cows do they let them out straight after calving. I suppose they might as well be standing in hailstorms and rain in a field as in the corner of a yard.

Dawggone · 11-09-2016 12:11PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Tough work being a cow in Ireland. This scene is replicated all over the country

Comfortable, clean and walk to and from milking in their own time. We go Ayr and its 6 months of concrete. Ask the cow what she'd prefer, ask the processor or the consumer will they pay?

No
No
No

Yes x 3 is also a possible answer to all three questions...

1. Give your cows a choice...I'll wager that for a large part of the year your cows would rather remain inside, given proper accommodation.

2 and 3. That's the point I was trying to make...maybe if the consumer was approached?

Nice cows btw.
I find cows are cleaner when indoors as they've no cow pats to lie onto.

mf240 · 11-09-2016 12:36PM

If you wanted to be really pedantic. Given the choice cows would rear their calves. Roam around whatever area Is available and then travel in search of fresh pasture.

Dawggone · 11-09-2016 12:37PM

mf240 wrote: »

If you wanted to be really pedantic. Given the choice cows would rear their calves. Roam around whatever area Is available and then travel in search of fresh pasture.

India?

trixi2011 · 11-09-2016 12:40PM

Took my first plunge into farming in my own right last year and bought 2 groups of dairy heifer calves. One group were all late march calves and below target weight when I bought them . All bar one were at target weight at breeding and scanned this week and 100% incalf. Now if I could replicate this every year I'd be flying it

mf240 · 11-09-2016 12:41PM

Dawggone wrote: »

India?

No north tipp:D:D

GrasstoMilk · 11-09-2016 12:41PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Took my first plunge into farming in my own right last year and bought 2 groups of dairy heifer calves. One group were all late march calves and below target weight when I bought them . All bar one were at target weight at breeding and scanned this week and 100% incalf. Now if I could replicate this every year I'd be flying it

What's the plan now?
Lease? Milk?

trixi2011 · 11-09-2016 12:45PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What's the plan now?
Lease? Milk?

Working on that one at the moment hoping to milk them tho but have somewhere I can lease them into if needsbe

GrasstoMilk · 11-09-2016 01:41PM

Getting to know the winner of the FBD Young Farmer of the Year Competition @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/getting-to-know-the-winner-of-the-fbd-young-farmer-of-the-year-competition/

A great achievement.
No moaning here.
Plenty inside the farm gate to make money aswell

charolais0153 · 11-09-2016 02:22PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Getting to know the winner of the FBD Young Farmer of the Year Competition @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/getting-to-know-the-winner-of-the-fbd-young-farmer-of-the-year-competition/

A great achievement.
No moaning here.
Plenty inside the farm gate to make money aswell

If I was to get 79ha of top quality land for almost nothingand half of it laid into paddocks . I wouldn't be moaning either

jaymla627 · 11-09-2016 02:24PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Getting to know the winner of the FBD Young Farmer of the Year Competition @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/getting-to-know-the-winner-of-the-fbd-young-farmer-of-the-year-competition/

A great achievement.
No moaning here.
Plenty inside the farm gate to make money aswell

22 cent a litre break - even break base price on a rented block including capital and drawings along with cow numbers doubled in the spring couldn't be right and even if it was why is the chap boasting about it, just another article for co-ops to show suppliers and be like sure what are ye moaning about look at this shining light, ye just have to be efficent like this chap

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 03:03PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

If I was to get 79ha of top quality land for almost nothingand half of it laid into paddocks . I wouldn't be moaning either

Who stopped you?

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 03:07PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

22 cent a litre break - even break base price on a rented block including capital and drawings along with cow numbers doubled in the spring couldn't be right and even if it was why is the chap boasting about it, just another article for co-ops to show suppliers and be like sure what are ye moaning about look at this shining light, ye just have to be efficent like this chap

Re read the article or the piece I've attached then comment

kowtow · 11-09-2016 03:10PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

22 cent a litre break - even break base price on a rented block including capital and drawings along with cow numbers doubled in the spring couldn't be right....

"Moran explained that constant cash flow and profit monitoring is important for his business and in 2016 his breakeven milk price is 22c/L, down from 24c/L and 27c/L in 2015 and 2014 respectively.

“When I add on stock sales, extra fat and protein in the milk and single farm payment, thats topping it up by 12c/L

“That’s actually 34c/L it takes to run my farm, including my salary and full capital repayments,” he said."

Did I misread that or is it 34c break even with drawings etc.?

jaymla627 · 11-09-2016 03:15PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

If I was to get 79ha of top quality land for almost nothingand half of it laid into paddocks . I wouldn't be moaning either

He's getting the sfp of it to by the looks of it, may show this article to the uncle I've land off, like most lease arrangements in the country he gets all the sfp plus rent, agriland is turning into a awful prick of a website lately starting to match the journal

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 03:16PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

He's getting the sfp of it to by the looks of it, may show this article to the uncle I've land off, like most lease arrangements in the country he gets all the sfp plus rent, agriland is turning into a awful prick of a website lately starting to match the journal

Ah now, doesn't dtop you mid quoting it when the info doesn't suit

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 03:17PM

kowtow wrote: »

Did I misread that or is it 34c break even with drawings etc.?

That's my understanding. Took extra solids, stock sales and SFP to break even. Nice honesty.

jaymla627 · 11-09-2016 03:19PM

kowtow wrote: »

Did I misread that or is it 34c break even with drawings etc.?

34 cent is breakeven price, I'd love to see the breakdown for the 12 cent over base he is achieving and where he came across such a significant sfp at 23 years of age

kowtow · 11-09-2016 03:20PM

mf240 wrote: »

Cows would be clean and comfortable in a lot of the more modern cubicle sheds.

A lot of the bigger lads don't have housing for the cows do they let them out straight after calving. I suppose they might as well be standing in hailstorms and rain in a field as in the corner of a yard.

I think it's one of those endless circular debates isn't it?

The fact is that either system done really well involves very comfortable, happy, cows - indoors or out. Done "not so well" is a different story altogether..

Which does rather bring you back to the economics... somewhere along the line the happy cows need to produce enough profit from the premium milk they give us to invest in the new cow brushes, mattresses, sheds.. or (even more expensive) acres of Irish grass that they are going to occupy and to pay the poor sop who runs around after them.

yewtree · 11-09-2016 03:20PM

Very few farmers below 30 cent/litre cash cost when everything included. But as it states in article fat/protein % livestock sales bring totAl output up to break even.
The lad is farming not to far from me, he Got a great opportunity and made the most of it. Industry needs more lads like him.

jaymla627 · 11-09-2016 03:40PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Ah now, doesn't dtop you mid quoting it when the info doesn't suit

What did I misquote I specially said his breakeven base price was 22 cent a litre, the 34 cent figure I'm finding it difficult to see how it was obtained....
Say solids where giving 4 cent over base and stock sales 3 cent a litre that means without the sfp their was a 5 cent loss that should maybe be pointed out in the article that a new entrant on a 80 hectare rented block with no entitlements would be down 60000 odd grand if he was achieving exactly the same performance and figures

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 03:53PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

What did I misquote I specially said his breakeven base price was 22 cent a litre, the 34 cent figure I'm finding it difficult to see how it was obtained....
Say solids where giving 4 cent over base and stock sales 3 cent a litre that means without the sfp their was a 5 cent loss that should maybe be pointed out in the article that a new entrant on a 80 hectare rented block with no entitlements would be down 60000 odd grand if he was achieving exactly the same performance and figures[/quote

The point is he's only breaking even at 34c. It's taking every once of sales and cost control to manage that. I'd salute that article for pointing that out.

We need more of that.

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