Olympic Council fella Pat Hickey Arrested in Rio

maudgonner · 10-09-2016 12:58AM

kbannon wrote: »

Actually, just looking, the Indo (in which case it's probably lies) says that it could be 18 months before the case reaches court
http://m.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/judge-accepts-charges-against-pat-hickey-and-kevin-mallon-35037787.html

No, in fairness to the Indo that's also been reported in a few other papers/sites. There was a similar case involving ticket touting at the 2014 World Cup and that's still ongoing, the verdict is expected soon.

maudgonner · 10-09-2016 01:23AM

Some more info in the Irish Times, and confirmation that the eight others are not in Brazil.

The judge also ordered the passports of Mr Hickey and Mr Mallon be retained by the court and that Mr Hickey present himself before it every 20 days, ordered him to observe a 10pm curfew and banned him from attending any events linked to the Paralympic Games under way in Rio.
Mr Hickey’s new restrictions are the same as those a federal judge imposed on Mr Mallon as conditions for his release on August 27th after he won a writ of habeas corpus.
Mr Hickey was released three days later by a state judge who did not impose similar conditions.
The judge also said the conditions applied to the eight other people charged in the case, though none are currently in Brazil.

It also says that the judge ordered the passports to be returned to the three OCI officials, Henihan, Kilty and Martin. They have checked out of their hotel and it looks like they may be on their way home. So good news for Marienbad and their families & friends.

Means Of Escape · 10-09-2016 01:33AM

kbannon wrote: »

Actually, just looking, the Indo (in which case it's probably lies) says that it could be 18 months before the case reaches court
http://m.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/judge-accepts-charges-against-pat-hickey-and-kevin-mallon-35037787.html

What are the odds that Hickey and co get their passports back and never return to Brazil for their day in court ???

He will have a defence team to argue his fitness to stand trial and all this will be forgotten about bar a small colum in a Sunday paper year later with a photo captioned
"Former OCI president Pat Hickey leaving the K club golf course yesterday"

STB. · 10-09-2016 11:19AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

What are the odds that Hickey and co get their passports back and never return to Brazil for their day in court ???

He will have a defence team to argue his fitness to stand trial and all this will be forgotten about bar a small colum in a Sunday paper year later with a photo captioned
"Former OCI president Pat Hickey leaving the K club golf course yesterday"

Be a very good bet. Double it with the Dubs to win the All Ireland.

I'd definitely have a cover bet on him disappearing from Brazil regardless with the help of his family.

jimd2 · 10-09-2016 11:38AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

What are the odds that Hickey and co get their passports back and never return to Brazil for their day in court ???

He will have a defence team to argue his fitness to stand trial and all this will be forgotten about bar a small colum in a Sunday paper year later with a photo captioned
"Former OCI president Pat Hickey leaving the K club golf course yesterday"

There is no way Hickey will return if he manages to get the passport back & get out of the country. Health reasons, cannot travel etc. will be quoted.

However, one would imagine that his career is over either way. Even though he was stepping down as president of OCI, according to The Irish Times yesterday that was to facilitate other posts he has further up the Olympic ladder.

Means Of Escape · 10-09-2016 12:59PM

jimd2 wrote: »

There is no way Hickey will return if he manages to get the passport back & get out of the country. Health reasons, cannot travel etc. will be quoted.

However, one would imagine that his career is over either way. Even though he was stepping down as president of OCI, according to The Irish Times yesterday that was to facilitate other posts he has further up the Olympic ladder.

Career was over anyway. Getting out of there for good will be his main goal
It would be anyones as the man would probably die there

Would there be anyone on this post who would see it fair for him to serve his time in Mountjoy ? Copper fastened by an agreement from this government to serve the full term set down by the Beazilians ?

foggy_lad · 10-09-2016 01:20PM

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

I would like to hear what his high profile defenders such as those utter wretches Tubridy and the vile Joe Duffy have to say now. No doubt mentions of Hickey will be thin on the ground in RTE circles now.

Oh No no no we can't comment on an ongoing case, now back to talking about my new buuk about the childer of the rising.

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Would there be anyone on this post who would see it fair for him to serve his time in Mountjoy ? Copper fastened by an agreement from this government to serve the full term set down by the Beazilians ?

He would be better off in a Brazilian jail as he would get special treatment due to his ill health, age, education and status.

Water John · 10-09-2016 02:25PM

Well he could get sentenced in Brazil, if he turns up, serve a short time there and request a transfer to Ireland. Not sure have we such an arrangement with Brazil.
All of these guys and gals who considered themselves 'entitled' over the last while should set up their own club. Just to leave the rest of us in peace.

Dionysius2 · 10-09-2016 03:04PM

Perhaps there would be merit from Mr Hickey's viewpoint, also his supporters, if he were to seek to have the trial held in Ireland and the Brazilian witnesses to appear here. Threaten to mount a global campaign to expose the unfairness of the Brazilian justice system unless we hold the trial here, after all it was the Irish tickets allocation and IOC is for us and about us through and through and we have co-operated to the highest standard, blaa...blaa.

If we managed to achieve that then we could commence the trial here. In that event, I'd bet my house it would never get beyond day 1 anyway because defence lawyers could show immediately that all the evidential disclosures to the global media to date in the style of an up coming soap opera promotion were so outrageously defamatory of our Mr P.H. that he hadn't a snowball's chance in hell of a fair trial. Some cynic would be sure to whistle 'Dixie' as he left Chancery St in a blacked out Merc. :eek:

darkpagandeath · 10-09-2016 06:15PM

Right so where do we stand. It seems the legals and charges are legitimate at this point. So I assume his lawyers and alike will not be being Paid for buy us ? Again very odd the OCI said they will pay if he is not convicted. I will use an analogy, He is being charged, It's like being caught with a hooker. Absolutely no reason for the OCI to pay with no doubt tax payers money. And if not it's lees money for the Athletes in Ireland. Are ministers or someone looking into this especially if it's tax payers money.

Arcade_Tryer · 10-09-2016 06:33PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Right so where do we stand. It seems the legals and charges are legitimate at this point. So I assume his lawyers and alike will not be being Paid for buy us ? Again very odd the OCI said they will pay if he is not convicted. I will use an analogy, He is being charged, It's like being caught with a hooker. Absolutely no reason for the OCI to pay with no doubt tax payers money. And if not it's lees money for the Athletes in Ireland. Are ministers or someone looking into this especially if it's tax payers money.

What do you think?

Shane Ross is pathetic. Bully boy in front of PAC. Just another victim of Pat Hickey.

maudgonner · 10-09-2016 06:42PM

I'm not sure if they'll have a choice but to pay the fees if he's found not guilty. It was mentioned at some stage that it's in the articles of association of the OCI. And I'm sure Hickey's lawyers would make sure he doesn't miss out.

uck51js9zml2yt · 10-09-2016 06:45PM

His passport is being held by the authorities so no chance of him doing a runner.

What's the chance of him being smuggled across a border and a new passport being issued?

humberklog · 10-09-2016 07:02PM

Lilianna Immense Shin wrote: »

His passport is being held by the authorities so no chance of him doing a runner.

What's the chance of him being smuggled across a border and a new passport being issued?

Zero I'd imagine, that'd take state intervention into something very bold and I don't think he has as many friends in the Irish government as he does in the Irish broadcast media.

What is odd though is how the IOC hasn't been able to pull strings high up with the Brazilian authorities to expedite the situation.

Maybe the IOC have no friends there either.

The old phrase of "Being nice to the people on your way up because you may need them on your way down" springs to mind.

darkpagandeath · 10-09-2016 07:50PM

maudgonner wrote: »

I'm not sure if they'll have a choice but to pay the fees if he's found not guilty. It was mentioned at some stage that it's in the articles of association of the OCI. And I'm sure Hickey's lawyers would make sure he doesn't miss out.

My Issue is I have never heard the likes of a company looking after you legal bills when you are charged. Guilty or innocent it's a case against the man. Again like getting caught with a hooker or some other criminal offence. I could be wrong but he is not being charged for having been the Head of the OCI.

The Rape of Lucretia · 10-09-2016 07:52PM

humberklog wrote: »

Maybe the IOC have no friends there either.

Or Pat has no friends in the IOC - they have thrown him to the wolves.

The Rape of Lucretia · 10-09-2016 07:54PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I could be wrong but he is not being charged for having been the Head of the OCI.

I dont think so. He is being charged for the specific offences he committed personally, not for the office he held.

darkpagandeath · 10-09-2016 07:55PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I dont think so. He is being charged for the specific offences he committed personally, not for the office he held.

Exactly why I am confused that they want to cover his bills. If I was the company I would be distancing myself from damaging the company image further. I guess it's like a little FIFA though.

2RockMountain · 10-09-2016 08:24PM

Dionysius2 wrote: »

Perhaps there would be merit from Mr Hickey's viewpoint, also his supporters, if he were to seek to have the trial held in Ireland and the Brazilian witnesses to appear here.

Most of the offences that he's been charged with, specifically ticket touting, aren't actually offences in Ireland, so he couldn't be charged here.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Right so where do we stand. It seems the legals and charges are legitimate at this point. So I assume his lawyers and alike will not be being Paid for buy us ? Again very odd the OCI said they will pay if he is not convicted. I will use an analogy, He is being charged, It's like being caught with a hooker. Absolutely no reason for the OCI to pay with no doubt tax payers money. And if not it's lees money for the Athletes in Ireland. Are ministers or someone looking into this especially if it's tax payers money.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

My Issue is I have never heard the likes of a company looking after you legal bills when you are charged. Guilty or innocent it's a case against the man. Again like getting caught with a hooker or some other criminal offence. I could be wrong but he is not being charged for having been the Head of the OCI.

It's not just an issue of legal bills, the OCI stated when he was in prison that they were looking to rent an apartment to have it ready for him. Are OCI funds really, really going to be spent on putting him up in Brazil (in his usual luxurious circumstances) for 12-18 months while he waits for the trial?

LordSutch · 10-09-2016 08:28PM

Lilianna Immense Shin wrote: »

His passport is being held by the authorities so no chance of him doing a runner.

What's the chance of him being smuggled across a border and a new passport being issued?

Thing is, he probably will get home by one means or another well before his case is due to be heard in eighteen months time, but here's the big question ...

How will he be treated on his return to Ireland?

Will he be a hero, or a villian? Will he retain his job at the head of the OCI, or will he be fired? What reception will he get back here, and will he be absolved by us of all his dodgy dealings?

darkpagandeath · 10-09-2016 08:31PM

2RockMountain wrote: »

Most of the offences that he's been charged with, specifically ticket touting, aren't actually offences in Ireland, so he couldn't be charged here.

It's not just an issue of legal bills, the OCI stated when he was in prison that they were looking to rent an apartment to have it ready for him. Are OCI funds really, really going to be spent on putting him up in Brazil (in his usual luxurious circumstances) for 12-18 months while he waits for the trial?

Irrelevant, Does his supporters only think he is subject to Irish laws ?

I would like this to be looked into to be fair, From a company Receiving Tax payers money.

Realt Dearg Sec · 10-09-2016 09:44PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Irrelevant, Does his supporters only think he is subject to Irish laws ?

y.

It's hardly irrelevant if you're talking about him being tried in an Irish court. They can't try him in Ireland in accordance with Brazilian law, can they?

mickdw · 10-09-2016 10:07PM

Why would he be tried in irish court.
His only chance at this stage is to be smuggled out of Brazil I would have thought.
If I was him, I'd be spending my life savings on getting myself across borders and secretly returned to ireland.

fryup · 10-09-2016 10:11PM

^^^^^^^^^^^

i reckon he's working on that, at this very moment

2RockMountain · 10-09-2016 10:22PM

mickdw wrote: »

Why would he be tried in irish court.
His only chance at this stage is to be smuggled out of Brazil I would have thought.
If I was him, I'd be spending my life savings on getting myself across borders and secretly returned to ireland.

Well, they sent us a bad guy a few years back, so maybe we'd return the favour?

Dionysius2 · 10-09-2016 10:25PM

Anyone who knows South America is just grinning at many of these exchanges Once the price is right...../

Wildlife Actor · 10-09-2016 10:36PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It's hardly irrelevant if you're talking about him being tried in an Irish court. They can't try him in Ireland in accordance with Brazilian law, can they?

Correct. No.

Muff Richardson · 10-09-2016 10:43PM

F**k all this chat about what's going to happen etc
early in the investigation there were requests for Hickeys personal financial statements and apparently the Irish banks were going to provide these. this is all I want to see before I cast judgement fully, his declared taxable income vs his assets. no different from our own criminal assets bureau which has been hailed as one of the big judicial achievements hailed around the EU, but is basically just a form of 100% tax on successful criminals when the white collar criminals get pats on the arse and a wink wink nudge nudge whilst cashing in.

what's hickey got, anyone know??? where's he living etc versus income?

maudgonner · 10-09-2016 11:06PM

Apparently he lives a relatively modest lifestyle - very comfortable but not ostentatiously wealthy. (He has a €1.5 million property portfolio though). Lives in Castleknock I think. Someone made the comment that he's more motivated by the status and prestige that come with being a leading figure in the IOC than he is money.

He's entitled to 70k per year from the OCI but hasn't taken it - it's going towards a scholarship fund instead I think. Or maybe towards a legal fund now :pac:

CFlat · 11-09-2016 12:18AM

mickdw wrote: »

His only chance at this stage is to be smuggled out of Brazil I would have thought.
If I was him, I'd be spending my life savings on getting myself across borders and secretly returned to ireland.

Either that or find out which high ranking police official, prosecutor or judge they can pay off. That's the way it works over there. If this case goes to court they are royally f**ked. The Brazilian authorities are out for blood here. I don't blame any of the accused outside Brasil not turning up. It would be like Ian Bailey going to France for the case against him.

Olympic Council fella Pat Hickey Arrested in Rio

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