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Olympic Council fella Pat Hickey Arrested in Rio

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    humberklog wrote: »
    It looks as though The Communications Clinic have reeled back on using the family sob story offensive and have ditched that whacky useless solicitor and have decided to pull the shutters down. For now.

    Like Pat himself, they seem to have decided silence is a better way of killing the story than ludicrous simpering about human rights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    humberklog wrote: »
    I'd a few questions that I'm a little unclear on- if anyone had the answers that's be great:

    The reports of the text messages and emails from PH, THG, Pro10 etc. that the Irish printed press are reporting on are they being released by the Brazilian authorities?

    Here's what I know, but other people might have more accurate info.

    Yes, it appears that the emails are coming from the Brazilian authorities, after they found them on the laptops, phones & drives seized during the investigation. They seem to be released at the press conferences held by the police & prosecutors office.
    Has PH and KM still to attend a court hearing where a judge will rule whether they have to face proceedings?

    They were expecting them to be before the court yesterday, but it doesn't look like that has happened yet. The courts in Brazil have been backed up because they were closed during the Olympics and Wednesday was also a public holiday there.
    Why is print media keeping the story updated but radio has all but been silent for the last week? I thought there were enough events this week to warrant some update to the goings on between Brazilian authorities, the OCI and the ICO.

    It looks as though The Communications Clinic have reeled back on using the family sob story offensive and have ditched that whacky useless solicitor and have decided to pull the shutters down. For now.

    That's a very good question we all would like an answer for :)

    The print media are way ahead on this one, and social media too. I think that's why there has been such a reaction on this thread and elsewhere on the internet - there's definitely a feeling that there has been a lot of PR spin. Even some newspapers & websites have shut down their comment sections after receiving solicitors' letters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Agree with all of that, Maud. The radio/tv end may be wary and at a disadvantage of not having correspondents present in Rio, esp with the solr letters flying around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ahlookit


    Even though the print media are well ahead of tv/radio, they are still well behind O Globo & Reuters. Most of yesterday's news was available on here hours ahead of our newspapers. As was mentioned, it may take several hours to clear through their legal departments.


    As for the family solicitor going quiet, its harder to claim he's being mistreated when we can see pictures of him strolling about in the Rio sunshine looking like a picture of health.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    This is all putting a serious dent in Pat Hickey's calendar.

    Next Thursday, for example, he was apparently meant to be attending an event in Brussels as part of the European Week of Sport.

    The theme of the conference?...

    'Good Governance in Sport'


    :D You couldn't make it up!

    http://ec.europa.eu/sport/week/about-week-of-sport/flagship-event_en.htm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Like Pat himself, they seem to have decided silence is a better way of killing the story than ludicrous simpering about human rights.
    ahlookit wrote: »
    As for the family solicitor going quiet, its harder to claim he's being mistreated when we can see pictures of him strolling about in the Rio sunshine looking like a picture of health.

    Yeah, playing the "poor frail old man, human rights" angle is particularly pathetic looking now that he's in a (paid for) €2,300 a month apartment.

    In Dublin, this is the sort of thing you'd get for that price.

    If you google "average rent in rio de janeiro" you get:
    Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft) furnished accommodation in EXPENSIVE area R$ 4,708 {€1,281.75}
    Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft) furnished accommodation in NORMAL area R$ 2,768 {€753.59}
    Utilities 1 month (heating, electricity, gas ...) for 2 people in 85m2 flat R$ 438 {€119.25}

    Even taking into account the higher cost of short term lets vs longer term lets, he's certainly living in something that's of a far higher standard than most people in Ireland. Using the BigMac Index a McDonald's meal costs about the same in Rio as it does in Dublin.

    Also, all his medical problems seem to have disappeared overnight, so that's nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Thoie wrote: »
    <snip>
    Also, all his medical problems seem to have disappeared overnight, so that's nice.

    I dunno, he seems to be having some worrying problems with his memory :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ahlookit


    maudgonner wrote: »
    I dunno, he seems to be having some worrying problems with his memory :pac:

    He seems to remember his lawyers instructions ok ;)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    ahlookit wrote: »
    He seems to remember his lawyers instructions ok ;)

    Short term memory is the last to go?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Thoie wrote: »

    Also, all his medical problems seem to have disappeared overnight, so that's nice.

    As too it seems have his defenders, his apologists and those that couldn't get their heads around the idea that Brazil's legal system is different than Ireland's.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    humberklog wrote: »
    As too it seems have his defenders, his apologists and those that couldn't get their heads around the idea that Brazil's legal system is different than Ireland's.

    Seems some people can't get their head around the possibility that a guilty man can still be treated very badly by normal standards. It's ok to be critical of both Hickey and the Brazilian justice system you know? The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,575 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Seems some people can't get their head around the possibility that a guilty man can still be treated very badly by normal standards. It's ok to be critical of both Hickey and the Brazilian justice system you know? The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.

    If living in an all expenses paid villa in Rio is 'being treated very badly' then please explain what you think anyone in that position should be entitled to.. a 5 star hotel? maybe three rooms in case he gets fed up of two of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Steve wrote: »
    maybe three rooms in case he gets fed up of two of them?
    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ahlookit


    Stheno wrote: »
    Short term memory is the last to go?

    I can't claim to be an expert in medical matters so I'll take your word for it.


    Deloitte to carry out a review of Governance in OCI....Maybe Pat can share his notes he had prepared for the convention in Brussels next week...

    http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0909/815532-oci/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Steve wrote: »
    If living in an all expenses paid villa in Rio is 'being treated very badly' then please explain what you think anyone in that position should be entitled to.. a 5 star hotel? maybe three rooms in case he gets fed up of two of them?

    Is Bangu prison considered a villa now?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Seems some people can't get their head around the possibility that a guilty man can still be treated very badly by normal standards. It's ok to be critical of both Hickey and the Brazilian justice system you know? The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.

    Not sure if it was a rhetorical question or if even it was was a question aimed specifically at me but as you quoted my post I feel I should answer...

    Yep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,575 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Is Bangu prison considered a villa now?

    He's not in Bangu.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,484 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The audacity is so breathtaking it's almost funny at this stage.

    That decision was likely taken before their current troubles escalated, but they are digging a massive hole for themselves all the same. At a very minimum, the OCI as it currently stands is finished, though the sight of the likes of Bernard O'Byrne trying to position himself to capitalise doesn't present much of an appealing alternative.
    If a deal had already been struck they risked being sued if they broke it. This way they can kick THG into touch if any formal investigation establishes any wrongdoing by them.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Is Bangu prison considered a villa now?
    Cmon, keep up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    humberklog wrote: »
    Not sure if it was a rhetorical question or if even it was was a question aimed specifically at me but as you quoted my post I feel I should answer...

    Yep.

    You should probably demonstrate that knowledge somehow then.
    Steve wrote: »
    He's not in Bangu.

    I haven't seen people criticising his conditions since he got bail. The criticism, mine in particualr, was focused on his arrest and pre-trial and pre-charge detention in Bangu prison. Nothing to do with a villa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don't see anything amiss in the three items there that you expressed concern about. Standard practice within the legal framework of the system they have.
    It doesn't seem to have been harsh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ahlookit


    Judge accepted charges against Hickey, Mallon & the others. This is not going to go away...

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics/2016/0909/815571-pat-hickey/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Judge has accepted the charges against Pat Hickey and the others in the case.
    He will be in Brazil for the foreseeable future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Wow, it's the translator who is the tenth person charged after all, not Martin Burke of the OCI.
    Also charged with Mr Hickey and Mr Mallon are co-defendants Marcus Paul Evans, Michael Glynn, Ken Murray, Eamonn Collins, Maarten Van Os, David Patrick Gilmore, Martin Studd, and Barbara Zancope Carnieri.

    They did say that it was different charges they wanted to bring against him. I wonder if it has been dropped, or whether it's being dealt with separately?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ahlookit


    maudgonner wrote: »
    Wow, it's the translator who is the tenth person charged after all, not Martin Burke of the OCI.



    They did say that it was different charges they wanted to bring against him. I wonder if it has been dropped, or whether it's being dealt with separately?

    I thought she had been cleared weeks ago? Hard to know what role a translator could have done in organizing a ticket touting enterprise?

    Do we know how many of the ten are in Brazil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    ahlookit wrote: »
    I thought she had been cleared weeks ago? Hard to know what role a translator could have done in organizing a ticket touting enterprise?

    Do we know how many of the ten are in Brazil?

    I don't think there's ever been any official confirmation of where they are, but afaik all the Pro 10 guys and THG guys are assumed to be outside of Brazil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    I would like to hear what his high profile defenders such as those utter wretches Tubridy and the vile Joe Duffy have to say now. No doubt mentions of Hickey will be thin on the ground in RTE circles now.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Judge has accepted the charges against Pat Hickey and the others in the case.
    He will be in Brazil for the foreseeable future.
    Cue the return Ms. James telling us of his serious ailments.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Actually, just looking, the Indo (in which case it's probably lies) says that it could be 18 months before the case reaches court
    http://m.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/judge-accepts-charges-against-pat-hickey-and-kevin-mallon-35037787.html


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