Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Going Forward wrote: »

I don't get this.

Your cousin's disappearance has hit national headlines and local radio all over the country (but nothing on RTE) and you're having a public cat fight with the person who put it there?

Why?

Yes there is baggage attaching itself to OD that is a distraction, but apart from Mick Clifford trying to be terribly clever, the media by and large has ignored that, to their credit.

This new facebook Justice for Mary Boyle page has stuff about Sean McEniff as one of the first things I can see on it!! (And I can't see much else because I'm not on Facebook.....)

If Ann Doherty doesn't use twitter and she's (G) using it on her behalf so what?
I'd say there are a number of politicians who don't know how to use it either and let others do the social media end of things for them.

But you've certainly blown her cover with that revelation!

You have to remember that at the time you were on here saying relations had become strained with you and G, there was much talk of Marys mother being the only official point of contact for the gardai.

And there was much talk here about how she doesn't want an inquest.

Making someone else an "Official Spokesperson" for the side of the family that does (even if it's just on twitter) wasn't a bad idea.

I would completely agree with the other poster that the mention of families not wanting to know the truth is nothing whatsoever about you.

I also don't understand what made her think she had the right to ask you to close down any other social media pages.

Were you using any of her photos or videos without her permission or something?

Going Forward wrote: »

No problem.

But I think we have crossed wires about the tweet.

I wasn't asking you about it, I was giving my own take on it for what it's worth.

You said you thought it was aimed at you, I didn't think it was.

I think it is aimed at whoever ex Det Gda Martin Collins has said is involved in a cover up.

When I said it's some statement for her to come out with I was referrring to the fact that she mentioned the word "families" and "cases".

More than one case. More than one family.

An allegation made about family members not wanting to know the truth in another case she is investigating.

"In certain cases I am investigating, some family members have the strongest reasons for not wanting the truth out. That will not silence me."

"Raonaid Murray's killer must be brought to justice no matter who he is or how hard that will be for some people"


https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/756997461210783744


https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/773581684952469506/actions

https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/772765062608130048/actions

https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/770224911528894464/actions


Edit: I asked where could someone read about the case and the campaign you directed me to the facebook page.

Apart from bits and pieces from other users including innuendo about Sean McEniff and Judge Kilrane and screenshots and retweets and all I can find regarding something to read about the case is this:


"In 1977, 6 year old Mary Boyle went missing at her Grandparents home outside Ballyshannon in Co.Donegal. She remains Ireland's youngest missing person."


Is that it??

One line on Facebook??



https://m.facebook.com/JusticeForMaryBoyle/about/?mt_nav=1&__xt__=33.%7B%22logging_data%22%3A%7B%22event_type%22%3A%22tapped_open_page_info%22%2C%22impression_info%22%3A%22eyJmIjp7InN0eWxlIjoiMjkiLCJwYWdlX2lkIjoiNTA0MDkwNzQ2NDQ2NTA5IiwiaXRlbV9jb3VudCI6IjEifX0%22%2C%22surface%22%3A%22mobile_page_home%22%2C%22interacted_story_type%22%3A%221609824172609938%22%2C%22session_id%22%3A%226d38dd289238495bfdd750ab3ca99353%22%7D%7D

Going Forward wrote: »

Yes that's it.

Going Forward wrote: »

There are two lines devoted to the story.

It's choc full of stuff alright, but it does the story no favours.

Im sorry but thats totally contradictory .. and its your opinion , you say there is two lines on it then you say there it is choc full of stuff, there is posts made on there nightly and good discussion and debates

I'm saying this honestly to you, not being critical for the sake of being critical and I do not want us to "fight" over it, or "fall out" but sometimes things just need to be said and listened to.

Granted this is none of my business, but we're on a public forum and anyone can have an input.

Here's mine:

I dont want to know what caused the breakdown in relations with G.

I don't want you to tell me either.

I suspect it's because she told ye to take a back seat and she wants to do it her way, and her way only, could be wrong doesn't matter.

you are wrong and it does matter

You need to consider reconciling your differences with her, and she with you.

There has been far too much dirty washing done in public.

It will drive people away.

agreed I stated days ago on twitter and on here that i had said all i had to say on the subject, right now you are the only one still bringing this up online anywhere

Go behind the scenes to her and see can some sort of reconciliation happen.

I tried this last night ended up backfiring on me again

In these circumstances it is easy to make a mistake, but much harder to admit it.

I have admitted my mistake of going public and the bad timing , I stand by everything I said

You made a mistake about the "families not wanting to know' tweet.

There is no way that anyone could read that as being directed at you or your side.

I explained that earlier.

so you who doesnt know what is going behind the scenes and doesnt know her previous of putting out tweets like that anytime she wants to have a dig at me knows better than me?
ok we will agree to disagree on this one, say it wasnt aimed at me and was aimed at the Murrays , do you think that is the proper way to talk about the family of a murdered teenager just because they dont want to speak to her?

If you made a mistake tell her, you're human.


Find some common ground behind the scenes.


What I can't understand is that I'm getting the impression that your not happy with the hangers on being brought around to the screenings yet your promoting a facebook page composed of much of what they're talking about.

And again, no I'm not trying to get you to explain it here, that's your own business

its not just me that runs the facebook page, and if you have saw that you have saw a lot more than 2 lines .. I would promote it anyway the documentary contains the truth , certain people at the Q&A have their own agendas



I don't know what G agenda is, ok, she's not doing it because she's a great person, she's doing it as an "investigative journalist" not as a favour to anyone.

She has two other cases on the go.
So what, that's her business.

she has a lot more than that have a look at the justice for Father Molloys twitter page to see thier thoughts on her actions . make sure you go on the right one though because she has one she made without the families permission that she refuses to take down , you will recognise it as it hasnt tweeted anything n 2 years


And it is a business, not a favour because she's nice.

its about a certain level of respect not being nice

It raises her profile, there are as everyone here has said precious few journalists doing what she's doing.

agreed , and that is what has created the vacuum where she is the only one who comes in like this and is the only person families feel they can turn to


If someone invests so much time and effort into a project they kinda do get to call the shots, no matter what project it is.

Wrong , no one calls the shots on our cousins murder case but us

You'll be left behind, that's why it is so important to see if you can reach some compromise .

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If you start dissing her in public, rightly or wrongly you are going to look as if your not one bit grateful, that's a sad fact of doing all this in public.

Few will say that to you though.

Id stopped , days ago , because you keep continually posting about it im having to answer you again tonight therefore kicking up the dirt about it all again in public, and plenty have said it to me

It is true to say that without your support her "campaign" does probably suffer but this public spat ultimately hurts the "campaign" to find the truth more.

it was her choice to dismiss me and my sisters support we did everything we could to stop the split

In theory you should be stronger together.
It might take a bit of humble pie from both sides, maybe the split is too deep now though.

it is now , doesn't mean we can't work separately towards a common goal



As regards something for someone unfamiliar with the details of the case, I'm sure you've seen this:

http://maryboylequestions.blogspot.ie/2016/07/questions-about-mary-boyle-case-this.html?m=1

This is the sort of serious information that Facebook page needs.

Not two lines of text. Blink and you miss it.

Why not ask the authors permission to use it, if you think it's accurate?

Best of luck, genuinely.

thats is a fair point and something I will look into

mikeymouse wrote: »

A quote from the blog above linked bo going forwardThe problem is that I don’t know when Mary left the house apart from it being some time after she stayed to help with the dishes. Nobody saw her leave.Where *exactly* was everybody at the time?
There are a lot of inconsistencies .
In some reports she stayed to help, in others her mother told her to go and play.
It was a family get-together ; Mary's mum and dad and her two siblings,
her uncle and his wife and their two kids, her gran and grandfather and her uncle jerry, twelve people as far as I know.
They had dinner in 'the middle of the day'
Now I come from a large family and any such gathering would involve a lot of chatter and tea drinking.
However Uncle Gerry chose to repair the roof rather than engage with the adults inside and what's more , return the ladder to the neighbour's house afterwards. (hardly that urgent?) When he returned he was fiddling with stones on a wall to the front of the house -away from the other adults, and ignored his sister when she first asked about Mary.
When she asked a second time,( I don' know how much later,- she had to be reminded by her father twice!) jerry rushed off in the direction of the neighbour's house.I don't know how long he was gone , but when he returned 'twas then he said Mary had followed him.
Some reports say he told her a few times to go back.
others say she asked 'is that the house we're going to ' and said she didn't want to go there.
Others say when she came to the water she "quit speaking" and turned for home.
But never home came she.
So there it is ,the time between dinner and about 4;30 pm on
Fri 18th March 1977 keeps going round in my head

Esel wrote: »

After watching that programme called 'Charley and Mary' a few times, it hurts me to say it but I think Mary's killer is not still alive.