Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Laika123

Going Forward wrote: »

Why is Judge Kilrane also known as Judge Kilraine?


http://m.derryjournal.com/news/judge-kilraine-starts-today-in-donegal-1-2127210

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/retrial-ordered-in-case-where-judge-had-been-accused-mans-lawyer-26785954.html

http://www.barrylaw.ie/annelies-ilena-press-release/

They are one and the same person, with a varying surname????

Maybe he's trying to avoid these people after he flee'd the court?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtTNZ0fVUg

Laika123

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

The McNultys are on trial for breach of the peace and assault of a garda.
On the basic facts of this there would seem no need for this judge to recuse himself, there is no conflict.
Yesterday one of the defendants raised a McEniff issue and also a late discovery issue. The judge has a) delayed the trial to give the discovery issue more time and b) recused himself as there is now a potential conflict.
I'm struggling to see what the judge has done wrong here, he appears to have played it with a straight bat.

There always was a conflict, not that a "potential conflict" appeared out of thin air.
Here's Florence McNulty the day she supposedly assaulted Garda Helen Munnelly, I wonder is that Garda Munnelly escorting Sean McEniff to HIS car after allegedly assaulting Florence McNulty/Doherty.

This is a quote from the youtube video:
"Garda Hubert Gilvary (23929A) went into room to question Clr McEniff during meeting but Clr McEniff pointed at the door and told the Garda to leave, which Garda Gilvary did. (POLITICAL POLICING)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0PibjNiqRI

Going Forward

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And therein lies the problem, does it not?

In a modern democratic Country, where fault has been admitted, surely there should be redress - not cover-up, stick your fingers in yours ears, shout la,la,la, - anti-establishment, and wait for it to go away?

I don't like what little I've seen of G O'Ds attitude, but, if the situation hasn't been resolved in 40 years, I find it hard to believe there was any real desire to resolve it for at least 30 of those years..... especially if Gardaí wont even make themselves available to listen to potential evidence..

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

But no fault has been admitted; not by anyone in public office that is.

You can have as many retired gardai wrestling with their conscience as you like, but unless an official admission is made, the case, for all intents and purposes remains dogged by the investigative shortcomings of the original 1977 policing practices.

Laika123

Not sure if this has been posted already, but a totally contradictory article altogether from the Irish Times.

I'll quote some of the story, the BOLDED bits are mine.

"Suspected Mary Boyle crime scene ‘trampled’ upon at time.
Detectives at centre of 1977 missing person inquiry reject claims of political interference.


The lead investigator into the disappearance in 1977 of Mary Boyle, Ireland’s longest-running missing person case, believes a breakthrough could have been made if modern policing methods had been available at the time.
Former Det Sgt Aidan Murray said the scene of the disappearance would today have been sealed off immediately whereas, nearly 40 years ago, people trampled over potential evidence.

ALTHOUGH HAIR WAS SEEN IN WHAT LOOKED LIKE A NEWLY DUG SHALLOW GRAVE WITH HAIR STICKING OUT OF IT, THAT WAS REPORTED TO GARDAI.

Murray recalled that for several days the search was for a missing girl, and not a suspected murder as he now believes happened.

“With a child lost a lot of people would have been trampling with Wellingtons on them,” he said. “There would be about 20 or 30 guards and they would tramp over everything. By the time I got up the scene wouldn’t have been preserved. It would have been interfered with, a number of guards doing their duty searching for some kind of an indication of where the child went.”

He said that with local and visiting gardaí and civilians in the search there would have been up to 200 or 300 people “trampling” all over the area.

Murray was speaking amid renewed interest in the case, fuelled by a claim in a documentary, Mary Boyle: The Untold Story, produced by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, that a politician phoned Ballyshannon Garda station to demand that a small group of people close to Mary weren’t to be listed as suspects.

Murray recalls a rumour about a call which he heard about at a later Garda conference. His colleague, Sgt Martin Collins, says the call was from a politician who he hasn’t named.
Both retired sergeants have emphasised the call was immediately dismissed and no senior officer interfered with their investigation as a result of the message.

SO THERE WAS A "RUMOR" ABOUT A CALL, COLLINS SAYS THE CALL WAS FROM A POLITICIAN, AND THE CALL WAS IMMEDIATELY DISMISSED AND NO SENIOR OFFICER INTERFERED.

SO WAS IT A CALL OR A RUMOR THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY DISMISSED?

Murray, who was interviewing the main suspect as a witness around the time the call was made, has told The Irish Times he was advised by an inspector to ease his questioning and fetch a glass of water for the man.

OH SO THERE WAS A CALL AND MURRAY WAS "ADVISED" TO EASE THE QUESTIONING AND GET THE MAN A GLASS OF WATER. SO THERE WAS A CALL AND INSPECTOR DID INTERFERE WITH THE QUESTIONING

Murray said the instruction to ease up was given because of a history of mental instability in the suspect’s extended family.

REALLY?, HIS EXTENDED FAMILY HAS MENTAL INSTABILITY AND YOU CAN'T QUESTION THE MAIN SUBJECT?, AT LEAST IF FOUND GUILTY HE COULD HAVE WENT TO THE CENTRAL MENTAL HOSPITAL WITH OTHER DERANGED KILLERS.

Murray said the inspector’s fear was that if the suspect was pushed too far, he might have taken his own life.

OR HE MIGHT HAVE CONFESSED AND TOLD HIM ALL ABOUT THE OTHER KIDDIE FIDDLERS IN THE AREA.

Murray and Collins feature prominently in the YouTube documentary. Both have rejected the assertion in the documentary of a Garda cover-up over political interference, leading to no one being arrested as a suspect for Mary’s disappearance.

BUT THIS IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO WHAT WAS JUST WROTE BEFORE IT.


Murray, who did say in the documentary that as a result of the phone call to the Garda station that the “ease off” instruction was delivered, now says because they were still investigating a case of a missing child, not a dead child where there was no body, the instruction was that nobody could be arrested for murder.

"DID SAY" AND "NOW SAYS"

He said if there was a cover-up it was in a small group of people linked to the Cashelard area.
“Everybody felt that they closed ranks on us. Somebody up there knows more than they are saying,” said Murray.
Collins conducted a five-hour interview with Mary Boyle’s mother Ann at the same time as Murray was interviewing the main suspect as a witness in another room.
Collins said: “We spoke with her, laughed with her, cried with her. It was a very emotional interview because we all had youngsters the same age. It was a tough interview for us to carry out.”
Both retired sergeants have agreed with Mary’s twin sister, Ann Doherty, that the child may have been killed because she was about to reveal that she had been sexually assaulted.
Collins emphatically rejects that gardaí were covering up political interference in the case.
He said a call was made to the station, the gist of it being that none of a small group of people linked to the Cashelard area was to be made a suspect.
The call was taken by a station orderly and directed to one of the offices down the corridor.

IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS, HE DID SAY, DIDN'T SAY, DID SAY, THERE WAS A CALL, THERE WASN'T A CALL, IT WASN'T A POLITICIAN, IT WAS.


“All I know is that the name of a politician was mentioned. I didn’t hear the phone call,” Collins said.
“It was common knowledge about this phone call, but it was treated with the utmost negativity and it had nothing whatsoever to do with the investigation.”
He agreed it may have been also common knowledge which politician made the call.
Specified name
He wouldn’t confirm a specified name: “The whole thing should be about the missing child Mary Boyle. The cover-up, the punch-line as I call it, of a cover-up and Garda influence, that has taken away, in my view, from the most serious matter which is Mary’s disappearance.
“If there is a cover-up, it’s certainly not within the Garda Síochána and it’s certainly not influenced by any politician.

I'LL LINK THE ARTICLE, BUT IT'S FULL OF BULLSH1T, ALMOST AS IF A 5 YEAR OLD WERE TELLING FIBS.:mad::mad::mad:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/suspected-mary-boyle-crime-scene-trampled-upon-at-time-1.2762184

tayto lover

Laika123 wrote: »

Maybe he's trying to avoid these people after he flee'd the court?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtTNZ0fVUg

That was hilarious.
It's like the feckin Wild West or the Wild North-west.

ArmaniJeanss

Laika123 wrote: »

There always was a conflict, not that a "potential conflict" appeared out of thin air.

If McEniff was on trial then there would have been a conflict.
But it was the McNultys on trial so there was no conflict (in the legal sense anyway - perhaps at some level you could say that because A is my friend and B hates A, therefore I shouldn't be the judge of B, but the system considers its judges to be above petty vindictiveness).

Laika123 wrote: »

Here's Florence McNulty the day she supposedly assaulted Garda Helen Munnelly, I wonder is that Garda Munnelly escorting Sean McEniff to HIS car after allegedly assaulting Florence McNulty/Doherty.

This is a quote from the youtube video:
"Garda Hubert Gilvary (23929A) went into room to question Clr McEniff during meeting but Clr McEniff pointed at the door and told the Garda to leave, which Garda Gilvary did. (POLITICAL POLICING)"

Notwithstanding that its a bit mad to be giving credence to or discussing the text accompanying a 16 second silent youtube video, put up by someone with a hugely chequered history, but can you explain to me whats going on there cause I'm baffled.
Like is the woman on the floor Florence McNulty? If so why does the text say twice that town clerk Joe McNulty refused to help her - is that not her son?

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Look, I'm willing to buy into the idea of a conspiracy between councillors, guards, judiciary and connected families to have stymied the MB investigation for 40 years - there's some solid investigation made by oranbhoy and others to support this.
But that doesn't mean that the likes of McNulty or McCafferty are on the side of the angels or that what they say/allege can be taken at face value.
Videos of Stephen Mannings vile mob taking over a court don't help either.

Giacomo McGubbin

Still can't work out what of this has to do with finding Mary ?
Irish politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years and show's no signs of improving, and time and energy is limited.
Even if some of these entertaining political conspiracy theories are all proven true, and the campaign's main focus is actually to clean up local and national politics, then it won't find Mary any time soon. Local and national politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years in Ireland.
You're going to need much better focus to find Mary.

scumbelina

Deleted User wrote: »

In a modern democratic Country

Ireland?! Hahaha!

Maybe I'm coming from a different perspective as I originate from the UK but Gemma O'D's work would be quite standard in the UK outside the Murdoch owned media. Not saying she's perfect but she wouldn't be considered "anti-establishment" at all merely "left" or "centre left" even. I'm quite surprised at peoples' attitudes to her work to be honest. She's uncovering evident in some cases glaring corruption. Surely as an investigative journalist that is her job. I think all the "anti-establishment" stuff if distracting from the main issue; a child is missing nearly 40 years and her sister and the rest of the family deserve to know and have a legal right to know what happened to her no matter how many feathers are ruffled.

Going Forward

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Still can't work out what of this has to do with finding Mary ?
Irish politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years and show's no signs of improving, and time and energy is limited.
Even if some of these entertaining political conspiracy theories are all proven true, and the campaign's main focus is actually to clean up local and national politics, then it won't find Mary any time soon. Local and national politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years in Ireland.
You're going to need much better focus to find Mary.

I'd agree with that, but you've left out any mention of garda responsibility.

39 years a lookin.

Going Forward

scumbelina wrote: »

Ireland?! Hahaha!

Maybe I'm coming from a different perspective as I originate from the UK but Gemma O'D's work would be quite standard in the UK outside the Murdoch owned media. Not saying she's perfect but she wouldn't be considered "anti-establishment" at all merely "left" or "centre left" even. I'm quite surprised at peoples' attitudes to her work to be honest. She's uncovering evident in some cases glaring corruption. Surely as an investigative journalist that is her job. I think all the "anti-establishment" stuff if distracting from the main issue; a child is missing nearly 40 years and her sister and the rest of the family deserve to know and have a legal right to know what happened to her no matter how many feathers are ruffled.

It certainly beats the journalistic endeavours of those content to affix nick names to "gangland" degenerates.

scumbelina

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Still can't work out what of this has to do with finding Mary ?
Irish politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years and show's no signs of improving, and time and energy is limited.
Even if some of these entertaining political conspiracy theories are all proven true, and the campaign's main focus is actually to clean up local and national politics, then it won't find Mary any time soon. Local and national politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years in Ireland.
You're going to need much better focus to find Mary.

These corrupt people in power have the might to block and shut down any investigation. I do agree the campaign is separate, the corruption angle is not their fight, but it's still affected by the wider issue of corruption. So it's better to face the wider issue as well as support the campaign to find out what happened to her rather than bury our heads in the sand imo.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Still can't work out what of this has to do with finding Mary ?
Irish politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years and show's no signs of improving, and time and energy is limited.
Even if some of these entertaining political conspiracy theories are all proven true, and the campaign's main focus is actually to clean up local and national politics, then it won't find Mary any time soon. Local and national politics has been corrupt for hundreds of years in Ireland.
You're going to need much better focus to find Mary.

From my point of view it's to show people reading this what type of people and system were dealing with, especially up there, corrupt shower of cnut's.

Unlike you not everybody is aware that there are dark shadows behind the scenes pulling strings.

How would you suggest Mary is found?, what is the right way to focus?, the same old, same old that hasn't worked so far?

People need to be shown that there is a clique with Garda, politicians, Judges and child molesters and killers all scratching each others backs.

Going Forward

Laika123 wrote: »

From my point of view it's to show people reading this what type of people and system were dealing with, especially up there, corrupt shower of cnut's.

Unlike you not everybody is aware that there are dark shadows behind the scenes pulling strings.

How would you suggest Mary is found?, what is the right way to focus?, the same old, same old that hasn't worked so far?

People need to be shown that there is a clique with Garda, politicians, Judges and child molesters and killers all scratching each others backs.

Yes and no IMO.

So many allegations of "corrupt officials" can be hard to take in!

The focus if there is to be ONE is to force question upon the quality of the initial garda investigation.

Leaving everything else aside, today is the day to apply today's policing methods to investigating this case.

The gardai need to finish with this theory that she vanished into thin air or fell down a hole and is in Australia living it up.

Entertain the theory that there was a murderer in her proximity.

Then entertain the theory of who may have murdered her.

Giacomo McGubbin

scumbelina wrote: »

These corrupt people in power have the might to block and shut down any investigation. I do agree the campaign is separate, the corruption angle is not their fight, but it's still affected by the wider issue of corruption. So it's better to face the wider issue as well as support the campaign to find out what happened to her rather than bury our heads in the sand imo.

No one is burying their heads in the sand, but if you make finding Mary contingent on sorting out all the political and institutional corruption and incompetence locally and nationally you can forget about ever finding her. I'm not saying such corruption and incompetence should not taken on and challenged, but making the outcome of Mary's campaign dependent and tied to it, means it's likelihood of success is going to be near zero. And that suits the very people you're focusing on down to the ground.

scumbelina wrote: »

I'd agree with that, but you've left out any mention of garda responsibility.

39 years a lookin.

I've left out mention of a lot of things. Of course there is Gardai responsibility, but again, if you think you are going to make the corrupt and incompetent in Ireland take responsibility through the campaign to find Mary, you'll never find her. Also the Gardai are not one coherent like minded gang, and if you keep insisting on treating and tarring them all as such, you play right into the hands of the very political clicks in the Gardai you're fighting against.

Going Forward

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

No one is burying their heads in the sand, but if you make finding Mary contingent on sorting out all the political and institutional corruption and incompetence locally and nationally you can forget about ever finding her. I'm not saying such corruption and incompetence should not taken on and challenged, but making the outcome of Mary's campaign dependent and tied to it, means it's likelihood of success is going to be near zero. And that suits the very people you're focusing on down to the ground.



I've left out mention of a lot of things. Of course there is Gardai responsibility, but again, if you think you are going to make the corrupt and incompetent in Ireland take responsibility through the campaign to find Mary, you'll never find her. Also the Gardai are not one coherent like minded gang, and if you keep insisting on treating and tarring them all as such, you play right into the hands of the very political clicks in the Gardai you're fighting against.

Please see my previous post

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

From my point of view it's to show people reading this what type of people and system were dealing with, especially up there, corrupt shower of cnut's.

Unlike you not everybody is aware that there are dark shadows behind the scenes pulling strings.

People need to be shown that there is a clique with Garda, politicians, Judges and child molesters and killers all scratching each others backs.

That part of the county is no different to anywhere else, be under no illusions that the rest of Ireland is any better. If anything people in that part of the word seem better at exposing it. I think most people are very aware, but a sizeable number of people are just as dodgy and like cute huirism and the connected favours culture, and most of the rest live in denial. So again diverting the Mary campaign's time energy to try and change all this and making it a local and national crusade to clean them all up, instead of laser focusing on finding Mary is waste of time.

Laika123 wrote: »

How would you suggest Mary is found?, what is the right way to focus?, the same old, same old that hasn't worked so far?

Instead of the scatter gun approach of making endless circular political and corruption allegations, laser focus relentlessly on the best physical leads and potential for the application of professional modern forensics. Most of these leads have been successfully ignored and sidelined because of the political games and allegations, which again suits the very people you're fighting against down to the ground.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

That part of the county is no different to anywhere else, be under no illusions that the rest of Ireland is any better. If anything people in that part of the word seem better at exposing it. I think most people are very aware, but a sizeable number of people are just as dodgy and like cute huirism and the connected favours culture, and most of the rest live in denial. So again diverting the Mary campaign's time energy to try and change all this and making it a local and national crusade to clean them all up, instead of laser focusing on finding Mary is waste of time.



Instead of the scatter gun approach of making endless circular political and corruption allegations, laser focus relentlessly on the best physical leads and potential for the application of professional modern forensics. Most of these leads have been successfully ignored and sidelined because of the political games and allegations, which again suits the very people you're fighting against down to the ground.

To be honest I don't think this thread is going to influence the investigation one way or the other, we're just joe soaps discussing it on the internet, apart from oranbhoy, I'm sure the garda check in on it and a few others but in the real world what I or anybody else says here is going to make any difference to the "alleged" investigation.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

To be honest I don't think this thread is going to influence the investigation one way or the other, we're just joe soaps discussing it on the internet, apart from oranbhoy, I'm sure the garda check in on it and a few others but in the real world what I or anybody else says here is going to make any difference to the "alleged" investigation.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't claim that it would or that we are anything else.
You asked me for suggestions I gave them to you.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't claim that it would or that we are anything else.
You asked me for suggestions I gave them to you.

I'd agree with your suggestions, and I'm sure most decent Gardai would, but 40 years on they still haven't done it, and after 40 years people begin to wonder why they still to this day haven't, and I'm just highlighting some of the reasons I personally believe they haven't.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

I'd agree with your suggestions, and I'm sure most decent Gardai would, but 40 years on they still haven't done it, and after 40 years people begin to wonder why they still to this day haven't, and I'm just highlighting some of the reasons I personally believe they haven't.

Again the Gardai are not one homogeneous force. If you want to get anywhere, you're going to have to realise this. Because of all the politics and conspiracy accusations now tagged onto it, no decent Gardai can currently risk touching this case with a bargepole, because unless he somehow manages to successfully avoid getting dragged in on and used in all the politics and conspiracy theories, and somehow manages to solve the case, he will be subject to all the same allegations, but with none of the connections to look after him, and his livelihood will be over. Which again suits the very people you're fighting against down to the ground. Again I believe the only hope any decent Guard sucked/assigned (and therefore most likely being shafted) to this case has now at this stage, for the time being, is to focus on investigating the physical leads and using modern professional forensics to their full advantage. Provided he can get any co-operation to do so. And that's a big if at the moment.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Again the Gardai are not one homogeneous force. If you want to get anywhere, you're going to have to realise this. Because of all the politics and conspiracy accusations now tagged onto it, no decent Gardai can currently risk touching this case with a bargepole, because unless he somehow manages to successfully avoid getting dragged in on and used in all the politics and conspiracy theories, and somehow manages to solve the case, he will be subject to all the same allegations, but with none of the connections to look after him, and his livelihood will be over. Which again suits the very people you're fighting against down to the ground.

No need for all that, I think your looking too deep into it, just arrest the suspect, as a suspect and interrogate him for 7 days like they do all other murder suspects.

Going Forward

Going Forward wrote: »

But no fault has been admitted; not by anyone in public office that is.

You can have as many retired gardai wrestling with their conscience as you like, but unless an official admission is made, the case, for all intents and purposes remains dogged by the investigative shortcomings of the original 1977 policing practices.

I didn't mention anyone in public office!
Fault has been admitted by the investigating Garda.
As far as I am concerned, that should mean that the Gardaí should now seriously address the investigation, starting with actually looking at information that is being offered...

scumbelina wrote: »

Ireland?! Hahaha!

Maybe I'm coming from a different perspective as I originate from the UK but Gemma O'D's work would be quite standard in the UK outside the Murdoch owned media. Not saying she's perfect but she wouldn't be considered "anti-establishment" at all merely "left" or "centre left" even. I'm quite surprised at peoples' attitudes to her work to be honest. She's uncovering evident in some cases glaring corruption. Surely as an investigative journalist that is her job. I think all the "anti-establishment" stuff if distracting from the main issue; a child is missing nearly 40 years and her sister and the rest of the family deserve to know and have a legal right to know what happened to her no matter how many feathers are ruffled.

Whoa! I can admire G o'Ds work, and still have a problem with her attitude, you know.

I couldn't care less what her personal political convictions are, she has the guts to go after a story, unlike so many so-called journalists.
I admire that about her, she just really ticks me off when she decides how people should react to a family tragedy, and I don't like arrogance, no matter who it's coming from.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

No need for all that, I think your looking too deep into it, just arrest the suspect, as a suspect and interrogate him for 7 days like they do all other murder suspects.

A suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
In this case, that's never going to happen now until there is some actual indisputable hard evidence turned up that forces everyone to act, including the political clicks, whether they want to or not. In any case, the killer hasn't cracked for 40 years and he's not going to. Anyone cold blooded and calculated enough to kill a 6 year old girl and hide her body for years isn't going to crack now especially without any hard evidence, especially after 40 years. Even if he is somehow forced to admit some involvement after 40 years, he'll very likely then try to bargain her location and most likely never reveal it.

At least if there is a forensic lead discovered, it might lead to finding Mary, or at the very least where she was once buried, and given all the politics and mess that's a much more realistic avenue at present and a much easier side to tackle without getting bogged down, diverted and deflected. One of the most likely leads to follow up on and professionally and forensically excavate is being continually ignored.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

A suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
In this case, that's never going to happen now until there is some actual indisputable hard evidence turned up that forces everyone to act, including the political clicks, whether they want to or not. In any case, the killer hasn't cracked for 40 years and he's not going to. Anyone cold blooded and calculated enough to kill a 6 year old girl and hide her body for years isn't going to crack now especially without any hard evidence, especially after 40 years. Even if he does, he'll aim to bargain her location.

At least if there is a forensic lead discovered, it might lead to finding Mary, or at the very least where she was once buried, and given all the politics and mess that's a much more realistic avenue at present and a much easier side to tackle without getting bogged down, diverted and deflected.

He hasn't cracked in 40 years because when he was being questioned and began to crack a call came in and the interrogating officer was sent to get him a glass of water.

True a suspect is innocent until proven guilty, but he's still a suspect and under law can be held and questioned for 7 days, if he's innocent he won't crack, but he has never faced interrogation, when he was being questioned as a witness he almost cracked, a relative was roaring crying saying he knew the suspect did it.

How on earth do you expect them to find forensics now, when they couldn't look at a fresh grave 2 days later.

Theres only one way to solve this now, the proper way, no more pussy-footing around.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

How on earth do you expect them to find forensics now, when they couldn't look at a fresh grave 2 days later.

And yet you expect to make the very same "them" arrest him and magically make him crack in an interview after 40 years with no indisputable evidence and some allegations ?

Laika123 wrote: »

Theres only one way to solve this now, the proper way, no more pussy-footing around.

That actually means getting some hard evidence that will find her, instead of wasting time on politics, fueds, and conspiracies.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

And yet you expect to make the very same "them" arrest him and magically make him crack in an interview after 40 years with no indisputable evidence and some allegations ?

Not the same "them", the elusive "Cold Case" team that have been appointed a few months ago now.

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

That actually means getting some hard evidence that will find her, instead of wasting time on politics, fueds, and conspiracies.

A confession will do at this stage, they ain't going to get no clues with a magnifying glass and pipe dear Watson, take him in as a suspect, hold him for 7 days, scrutinize him, by all accounts I've heard he'll crack.

It's too late now for your suggested methods.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

A confession will do at this stage, they ain't going to get no clues with a magnifying glass and pipe dear Watson, take him in as a suspect, hold him for 7 days, scrutinize him, by all accounts I've heard he'll crack.

It's too late now for your suggested methods.

Physical evidence is of no importance ? :rolleyes:
Finding Mary is actually the primary concern of the campaign and family, securing any conviction is the secondary aim, and will prove much more difficult.
Assuming he's arrested just because you want him to be, and then assume he does confess to anything at all, never mind the location of the body, and then assume he's actually guilty - no confession will successfully convict him in any court without there being any physical evidence inspector clouseau.

Laika123

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Assuming he does confess to anything at all, never mind the location of the body, and no confession will successfully convict him without there being any evidence inspector clouseau.

You trying to say nobody has ever been convicted of murder without a body?

Before you answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body

Going Forward

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

And yet you expect to make the very same "them" arrest him and magically make him crack in an interview after 40 years with no indisputable evidence and some allegations ?



That actually means getting some hard evidence that will find her, instead of wasting time on politics, fueds, and conspiracies.

The perfect crime then.
Unsolvable.

How easy it was in hindsight.

And a police force which initially bungled a murder investigation is left to pretend to all and sundry that it's doing it's best.

This creates credibility issues because to admit such an error in such a sensitive case would be at once both admirable and astonishing.

Admirable for its unprecedented honesty but astonishing for the public to hear.

Someone is getting away with murder and no one is accepting or apportioning any blame for it nearly 40 years on.

Giacomo McGubbin

Laika123 wrote: »

You trying to say nobody has ever been convicted of murder without a body?

Before you answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body

No, you're trying to pretend what I say.
But sure while you're at it, find us one where there was a conviction in Ireland for murder without any physical evidence ?
Also the primary aim of the campaign and family is finding Mary so she can have a proper burial.