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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread
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Just finished a slow four miler. Found the legs were a little heavy for the first two but then it started lashing rain and my mood seemed to improve! The rain didn't stop but I have to say, I like running in them conditions. It seems to spur you on a little, you're out doing miles in a t-shirt that's stuck to you and everyone else is watching from their warm and dry car, probably thinking you're crazy
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Great news Tony! And you get the bonus of buying another new pair of runners My wife was asking me today is the first and last marathon I plan on running with the costs of runners, the physio today, other races, gels, etc..... :pac: I started laughing at her and said wait until you see how much the iron man event is going to cost next year I do think you should film yourself doing that 20 second glute roll though and post it up here for the group
I don't think I will inflict ye with the sight of me in pain :pac:
I am actually just back from a blissful 5 miles, my knee was only a little sore on the run and when I finished, I done a little foam rolling there and the pain is gone and I am feeling great.
Another thing he mentioned today was to have cold baths (Not ICE baths!!) just for the lower legs, 3 mins in and 3 mins out three times which will prevent any lactic acid build up and the legs should feel great the following day. I am not sure I will be able for this one but will give it a go this weekend :pac:0 -
Just had a brilliant session with the Laois senior hurling team physio. He said my VMO muscles are in excellent shape and the ACL test and McMurray's test on the knees were perfect.
There was an issue with my Glutes, he done a test where I had my leg raised and out to the side, he pushed against them and I had to push against him, I couldn't stop him from pushing the leg back in so he then had me lie on my side and worked on the glute muscles on either side and he then performed the test again, he couldn't push my legs in this time! I felt like I was using the same strength as the last time so I couldn't believe the difference, I thought this was amazing. He said my glutes weren't firing up so I have been using all my muscles in the front downwards for running and the glutes were an issue as they are the engine.
He showed me a technique for rolling them for 20 seconds on each side every morning to fire them up for the day and if running that evening, do again just before the run. He is happy with my knees and has given the all clear to go back running today. He thinks my new runners are possibly the cause of the soreness near my knee (He gave a much more detailed answer but I can't exactly remember so I am not even going to attempt to write it here). He told me to switch back to my old runners and to buy a second pair of that model and start breaking those in gently.
Apart from that, my legs are in good shape and I can continue Marathon training, absolutely beaming
Great news Tony, delighted for you. +1 on showing us your rolling technique 0 -
paddydriver wrote: »Did a 4.8M easyish in heat early. Went out at 12PM and heat hit me as I stepped out the door. What a difference from Sat when it was a "cooling" rain the whole way! Really makes you realise how relative the conditions on the day are and how low temp can make a massive difference to performance.
Now this brings me to the next topical debate. Now that people are well into their plans and they are doing weekend LSR's and all the midweek runs, is anyone readjusting their PMP based on how they think they are getting on now? Talking to friends, some who have run marathons, and telling them the mileage being put in on the plans they are very positive that many of us are at 19/20M LSR's at this stage and that it really bodes well for the race itself.
Any thoughts on this and is anyone readjusting back or up on their times/PMP at this stage? Obviously we cannot forget about the unexpected that could happen in between or it could be as simple as having a sniffle on the day etc. but all being well and a nice cool day with little wind and maybe slight misty rain.. what are ye all thinking?
I am just going to (hopefully) continue training with the same time in mind, I haven't seen any hugely significant improvements in my pace and like others I don't want to push it and risk injury. My goal....get to the start line and get to the finish line
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My wife was asking me today is the first and last marathon I plan on running with the costs of runners, the physio today, other races, gels, etc..... :pac: I started laughing at her and said wait until you see how much the iron man event is going to cost next year
I don't think I will inflict ye with the sight of me in pain :pac:
I am actually just back from a blissful 5 miles, my knee was only a little sore on the run and when I finished, I done a little foam rolling there and the pain is gone and I am feeling great.
Another thing he mentioned today was to have cold baths (Not ICE baths!!) just for the lower legs, 3 mins in and 3 mins out three times which will prevent any lactic acid build up and the legs should feel great the following day. I am not sure I will be able for this one but will give it a go this weekend :pac:
Yeah Triathlons have been mentioned on my house too.. but off agenda now till after DCM. Then maybe work on the swimming alongside less running.. but who knows!
My cold baths are some swims down in Seapoint during week and after LSR on Sat/Sundays. Very good at recovering some aching legs.0 -
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Bunny Colvin wrote: »That's a tough watch. The end gives you a glimpse of what it would be like to finish, mile 25 must be a magical feeling!
It's really just a blur of shouting, pain, and tears. :pac: 0 -
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Bunny Colvin wrote: »That's a tough watch. The end gives you a glimpse of what it would be like to finish, mile 25 must be a magical feeling!
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Safrongirl wrote: »Oh Crap i really wanted to try the spinning class- I spoke to the instructor before I signed up and had told her my plans and she said it would be a good addition to my marathon training ( she holds a marathon training class in the next town ) so Im really disappointed she gave me the wrong advice .
Look away now I am going to mention treadmills
well mine is arriving this evening - I know you dont agree but for me it will mean getting in my runs during the week - with the wet dark evenings heading to the forest at 8pm is just a no go for me now - just far to dark in there and as I run on my own a little bit dangerous. Unfortunately I wont even get to use it today as have to go back into work but hubby will have it all set up for me for the rest of the week - my first run should be Friday / Saturday depending how long run goes Thursday
Knees update - since I have been to the physio and started the foam rolling I have had very little problems - anytime I feel the quads getting tight I roll like a mad thing - doing my exercises daily to strengthen my hips and quads too so hopefully I wont have any more bother.That surprises me too although if she's charging for the class I guess she's not going to say anything negative about it. Certainly lots of people do spin classes and run but they may have built up that combo over a number of years and they probably wouldn't be starting for the first time only a few weeks before their first marathon. We really really want you all to make the start line uninjured and the best way to do that is run as many days a week as you can and keep the cross training to gentle / complimentary stuff like pilates/yoga/walking/gentle bike rides.
Best of luck with the treadmill, it's definitely better than nothing at all and given your scheduling issues it does seem like a good solution. Glad to hear the knees are on the mend too.
+1 to all this.
There's nothing wrong with running on a treadmill other than nothing beats running outdoors. Last year, there were many miles logged on treadmills, I recall someone doing their 20M LSR on one and Neady doing a 90 minute easy run while watch some baking competition. I just can't stand it (anymore) - but you sound you have excellent reasons to use one, so please don't feel bad about it.
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There's nothing wrong with running on a treadmill other than nothing beats running outdoors. Last year, there were many miles logged on treadmills, I recall someone doing their 20M LSR on one and Neady doing a 90 minute easy run while watch some baking competition. I just can't stand it (anymore) - but you sound you have excellent reasons to use one, so please don't feel bad about it.
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paddydriver wrote: »Now this brings me to the next topical debate. Now that people are well into their plans and they are doing weekend LSR's and all the midweek runs, is anyone readjusting their PMP based on how they think they are getting on now? Talking to friends, some who have run marathons, and telling them the mileage being put in on the plans they are very positive that many of us are at 19/20M LSR's at this stage and that it really bodes well for the race itself.
Any thoughts on this and is anyone readjusting back or up on their times/PMP at this stage? Obviously we cannot forget about the unexpected that could happen in between or it could be as simple as having a sniffle on the day etc. but all being well and a nice cool day with little wind and maybe slight misty rain.. what are ye all thinking?
This came up last week, too - bucketybuck I think "asked permission" to run a little faster. I mentioned in this weeks' opening post (oh, about 78 pages back in this thread ) two things to keep in mind:
- Do it: if your training is going well and your injury free, feel free to slightly increase your paces - as long as you pass the conversation test. You could test the waters by increasing the pace of the last 2-3 miles of this week's LSR and see how you feel.
- Don't do it: if you feel strong, that means you're nailing your training routines. Keep doing exactly as you have been doing as it seems to be working well for you.
Also, keep in mind PMP is pure for guidance. "Planned" != "Actual". The scenario to avoid at all costs, is to have too ambitious a target, set-out at too fast a pace on the day, crash at about the 18M mark (if not before) and come in 25 minutes over your target.
This will happen all around you on the day itself. Don't think this can't happen to you!
The ideal scenario is to run conservatively in your training, start at around your PMP, run a conservative race, finish strong, and come in under your target time :cool: while feeling sorry for the folks around you stuck in the above-mentioned nightmare scenario.All or nothing wrote: »I'm not sure about this idea some people have of running the half marathon at PMP. I think it's better to race it to your full potential and see how you go. That should give you a better indication of how your training is going.
The training plans (HHN1 and boards) allow for racing the HM. It is an excellent gauge for your progress to-date and it will allow you to set a realistic target for the day itself (e.g. [HM * 2] + 20 minutes, or something like that). It is an excellent opportunity to race in a big field, try and stick to a certain pace, use gels, use pacers, listen to your body and adjust up or down, all these good things. The experience is very valuable.
That said, you can opt not to race it if you don't think you're ready for it, are nervous about niggles / injuries, or don't want to risk next week's mileage. You should think about what you would like to get out of it. There are decent alternatives, e.g. 13M @PMP, or 10M @PMP followed by 3M at HM pace (or faster) to really test the legs, etc. All a good use of your Saturday, too.
Last year, there were several PBs set by our novice-group (and lots of confidence gains) but Chrislad and 1 or 2 others didn't have that experience. I guess it won't suit all.
Our preference and recommendation would be for y'all to try and race it - but it is your call. As I said, think about what you'd like to get out of it, post your plans here, and we can discuss it.0
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