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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #3362
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Safrongirl wrote: »
    Wednesday I have my first spin class - hope legs will be OK for Thursday after spinning as havent done it before !
    The Muppet wrote: »
    I'm feeling positive but still keeping it real with the bad news posted re injuries to some fellow novices lately showing we're not there yet .[/TABLE]

    Folks, just to reiterate what Norb said earlier, you are now at the sharp end of the training, you've ran more miles than ever before and you've been running consistently for the last couple of months but as TM wisely said, you're not there yet. The next few weeks will be about building on your current base and minding your body - it's all about getting to the start line.

    With that in mind we would really advise against taking up new sports/cross training methods at this point in the game, go for a run instead of the spin class if you can Safrongirl as at this point you want to be running as many days a week as your time schedule allows - I know you're having trouble with your knees, I hope they're improving? But I can tell you from personal experience Spin will put extra strain on your quads, I remember not being able to walk down the stairs for several days after my very first class. :eek:


  • #3363
    kabuxa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭kabuxa


    Szilvike wrote:
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year. On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! I'll be there and cheer


    Oh no!!! Such a pity!! So sorry to hear that. Next year you will be back stronger!!! Best of luck!!!


  • #3364
    kin9pin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »
    There's no rave thread any more so I'll post this here. This day two years ago I weighed myself 100kg and thinking to myself I've really let myself go. The next day I started back running. Two years of running tomorrow or a early mid life crisis I'm now 72kg.

    Wow, that's some weight loss! Brilliant!
    I gave up smoking on 30th October 2014 so it was a nice touch from the organisers to pull DCM back a day for me this year :D


  • #3365
    kabuxa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭kabuxa


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    Week 18 - Irish Runner Plan.

    Monday - I was supposed to do 4 miles but I was so tired and sore! Went to the gym instead for some foam rolling and a swim, felt a lot better afterwards.

    Tue - Pilates

    Wed - 8 miles tempo run with some hill sprints.

    Thur - 4 miles easy before work.
    It's so hard for me to get up and run, my body does be so achy and stiff, but was glad to have it done early as I had an early start planned for Friday for my LSR.

    Friday - 16.1 miles LSR. I had planned to get a bus into town and do the marathon route but at the last minute himself offered to cycle with me if I stayed local, so took him up on his offer :)
    Left at 7.30am, I brought 2 gels, some jelly tots and two 100ml bottles of water - plus he carried a bottle of lucozade for me. I wanted to try it at around 12 miles so I'd know if I should take it in the marathon, luckily it seems to agree with me and gave me a bit of a boost :)
    Bit of a disaster at mile 2 when I took my first sip of water and realised there was still some washing up liquid left in the bottles :s
    Other than that it all went well, my average pace was 11:40 which is bang on target :D
    I had pains across my shoulders for the last 4 miles so I was thinking of adding 30 mins of rowing twice a week would strengthen them a bit?

    I went to Brighton Friday evening, I had a lovely vision of myself running the pier Sundy morning while all my friends were hungover but turned out there was a free bar on the Saturday night, running gear never stood a chance after that!

    Overall I missed two runs last week, not good at this stage, I'll be better this week and stick to the plan.
    Definitely no more drinking until I cross the finishing line! 10.30 bed time might be a bit harder - I'll try aim for 11 and see how that goes. I'd usually go to bed at 12.30/1am so 11 is a really good compromise!!!

    Good luck to all this week, it's really flying in now, I can't believe there's only 7 weeks to go!! :O
    Soap! Yuk!!!

    Regarding pain on shoulders.... I used to have because of the tension I had when running... not that I don't anymore. But a friend told me to put my fingers as if doing the OK sign. Thumb and next finger (dont know the name) together, if you have to do any pressure, you cannot really. So then the tension does not go up your arms. I used to squeeze my hands and that was my problem. Or if you hold a bottle you cannot make a lot of strengh either. Does it make any sense?
    I hope it helps


  • #3366
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Anyone else suffering from withdrawal symptoms from knowing it is a non running day today??


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  • #3367
    All or nothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭All or nothing


    paddydriver wrote: »
    Squats and Lunges... Not nice but very effective! Tough on knees though if there is any weakness there but are very good overall.

    I do strengthing exercises twice a week for 20 minutes. I was given these when I went to my physio with a hip problem around 6 months ago. He emphasised that it was very important that I kept these up during the marathon training.

    My advice for anyone reading this who might be thinking about doing a marathon next year would be go to a physio now. He will do an assessment and see if he can spot any weak points you have. That gives you loads of time to sort it.

    For the people doing a marathon this year it's never too late to start doing some strengthing work. it could be the difference between making the start line or not. Correct form is very important with all the exercises so make sure you get that down first.


  • #3368
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    A question for the plan gurus; I am heading down to Athlone early Friday to play golf and won't be back until Sunday late afternoon. With all the will in the world I can't see a 20 mile LSR getting done.

    What do you suggest as an alternative for this week? I can get out Tuesday + Thursday and maybe for a short run Wednesday.

    Thanks

    Craig


  • #3369
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Week 10, HHN1 - finally, after the watch decides to sync.

    Tues: 3.13 mi. Time: 29:16. 9:20 min/mi Avg Pace
    Weds: 7.04 mi. Time: 1:08:53. 9:47 min/mi Avg Pace. Ran after work, around a few south Dublin estates I didn't know at all. :pac: Big difference with the M50 on the way home, nice.
    Thurs: 4.08 mi. Time: 37:28. 9:11 min/mi Avg Pace. Car passed the NCT - good start to the day, went running after that.
    Sat: 15.12 mi. Time: 2:46:37. 11:01 min/mi Avg Pace

    LSR - just a t-shirt on top, no rain gear as such. Headed to Loughshinny, then turned around, 6 miles or so to there. Crossed a train bridge I've not been on for years. Still tipping away with the rain. Around mile 11 is where it looked as though the sun was going to peel back the clouds, but that didn't last. Had a gel at mile 12, said hello to 3 runners. Had to stop once or twice due to traffic and some rather large puddles. Cars were generally good at not soaking me. After the run I noticed my nipple area was quite sensitive for the remainder of the day. Like having an ice pack on it, constantly. Runners were soakeroodled as well. Happy with the LSR - furthest I've run, to date. My head was busy with work stuff for the first miles, but I never had the sense of of 'ugh, 10 more to go', etc, which I sometimes felt in the past.

    Car temperature gauge said it was 26C on the drive home tonight. :cool: Spotted a chap in FD10 t-shirt, they are out there. Crazy to think it's already September. Hope everyone is doing OK with injuries and everything.

    Week 9
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  • #3370
    Firedance
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    scotindublin wrote: »
    A question for the plan gurus; I am heading down to Athlone early Friday to play golf and won't be back until Sunday late afternoon. With all the will in the world I can't see a 20 mile LSR getting done.

    What do you suggest as an alternative for this week? I can get out Tuesday + Thursday and maybe for a short run Wednesday.

    Thanks

    Craig

    Golf?? :eek: :D

    How early on Friday? any chance you'd squeeze it in before you go? Athlone is only down the road...


  • #3371
    The Black Oil
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    scotindublin wrote: »
    Anyone else suffering from withdrawal symptoms from knowing it is a non running day today??

    Yes, we don't need Kilkenny vs. Tipperary.

    Up the LSR. :pac:

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  • #3372
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Have to be in Athlone by 1100 at the latest....won't have time on Friday morning.....was thinking of Thursday straight after work.

    One thing marathon training is not good for is your golf game...bye bye 5 handicap!

    Firedance wrote: »
    Golf?? :eek: :D

    How early on Friday? any chance you'd squeeze it in before you go? Athlone is only down the road...


  • #3373
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    scotindublin wrote: »
    Have to be in Athlone by 1100 at the latest....won't have time on Friday morning.....was thinking of Thursday straight after work.

    One thing marathon training is not good for is your golf game...bye bye 5 handicap!

    One thing your golf game is not good for is marathon training :pac: :pac: :pac:

    Yeah do it on Thursday evening if you have no other option. You'd get a recovery run in on Friday morning (even 2 miles) before you go and then you could do another easy run on Sunday evening to make sure you're close to your weekly mileage goal. As the legend that is Auld Man King says 'keep the main thing the main thing' ;)


  • #3374
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Sounds like a plan I will get out for a few miles tomorrow as well....won't miss out on too much of the weekly mileage then.

    Firedance wrote: »
    One thing your golf game is not good for is marathon training :pac: :pac: :pac:

    Yeah do it on Thursday evening if you have no other option. You'd get a recovery run in on Friday morning (even 2 miles) before you go and then you could do another easy run on Sunday evening to make sure you're close to your weekly mileage goal. As the legend that is Auld Man King says 'keep the main thing the main thing' ;)


  • #3375
    kin9pin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    scotindublin wrote: »
    Sounds like a plan I will get out for a few miles tomorrow as well....won't miss out on too much of the weekly mileage then.

    Why not count one round as an easy run :cool: Of course with a 5 handicap you're walking in straight lines so only put it down as 3 miles, not 4.

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  • #3376
    FITZA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Sorry to hear you can't continue with the marathon this year Szilvike :( You have a great attitude and I'm sure next year will be your year :)


  • #3377
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    All or nothing wrote: »
    I do strengthing exercises twice a week for 20 minutes. I was given these when I went to my physio with a hip problem around 6 months ago. He emphasised that it was very important that I kept these up during the marathon training.

    My advice for anyone reading this who might be thinking about doing a marathon next year would be go to a physio now. He will do an assessment and see if he can spot any weak points you have. That gives you loads of time to sort it.

    For the people doing a marathon this year it's never too late to start doing some strengthing work. it could be the difference between making the start line or not. Correct form is very important with all the exercises so make sure you get that down first.

    As we're discussing good cross-training, another recommendation is to do pilates weekly. It's a great workout and really good for strengthening your core. Any cross-training you do at this stage should be conducive towards your running, and this certainly ticks that box.

    Another positive is that it doesn't wreck you like a circuits, TRX, or spinning class would. I have often tagged on a 3M easy run afterwards.


  • #3378
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Firedance wrote: »
    Golf?? :eek: :D

    My thoughts exactly...
    scotindublin wrote: »
    Sounds like a plan I will get out for a few miles tomorrow as well....won't miss out on too much of the weekly mileage then.

    Okay, as long as the runners make it to Athlone too and a few easy miles are being recorded too, as well as birdies, bogeys and the like. :) Enjoy the weekend!


  • #3379
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Surely walking counts as cross training! I will try and follow the advice and get the 20 mile LSR done after work on Thursday.

    6 miles easy this evening 20 mile LSR Thursday 3 miles recovery on Friday and 6 miles Sunday is what I hope to do.

    nop98 wrote: »
    My thoughts exactly...



    Okay, as long as the runners make it to Athlone too and a few easy miles are being recorded too, as well as birdies, bogeys and the like. :) Enjoy the weekend!


  • #3380
    budhistmonk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭budhistmonk


    I did a 17M LSR (doing HHN2 plan) last Thursday evening as was away all weekend but had a bit of a nightmare. I found my heartrate was soaring and had to actually stop and walk several times from about 12 miles. My pace was nice and slow - even 20 secs slower per mile than last weeks LSR. Had water and gels with me - tried and tested at this stage. Not sure what was going on. I possibly did not fuel or hydrate correctly during the day beforehand as I always do my long runs on a Sat morning or maybe was not over last weekends long run (which was only 13m). I managed to get through it and was even able to run the last couple of miles which were up heartbreak hill without having to stop but this was more stubbornness than anything else. Felt a bit sickly for a few hours afterwards which I don't normally get. All good since. Have 18m LSR this weekend to put my mind at ease. Putting it down to bad day. Hopefully won't have the same on Oct. 30th.


  • #3381
    joesoap5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 250 ✭✭joesoap5


    budhistmonk wrote: »
    I did a 17M LSR (doing HHN2 plan) last Thursday evening as was away all weekend but had a bit of a nightmare. I found my heartrate was soaring and had to actually stop and walk several times from about 12 miles. My pace was nice and slow - even 20 secs slower per mile than last weeks LSR. Had water and gels with me - tried and tested at this stage. Not sure what was going on. I possibly did not fuel or hydrate correctly during the day beforehand as I always do my long runs on a Sat morning or maybe was not over last weekends long run (which was only 13m). I managed to get through it and was even able to run the last couple of miles which were up heartbreak hill without having to stop but this was more stubbornness than anything else. Felt a bit sickly for a few hours afterwards which I don't normally get. All good since. Have 18m LSR this weekend to put my mind at ease. Putting it down to bad day. Hopefully won't have the same on Oct. 30th.

    I had the same feelings on my long run last Sunday. I put it down to not hydrating the day before or eating enough before going out. You just can't get away with neglecting the body on these long runs. You get caught out.
    I also didn't drink water or take a gel till 13 miles so when I got hope I was hovering up anything I could drink. Had 4 ice pops and 2 pints of water.
    My nervous system also felt shot for a few hours.


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  • #3382
    tony1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    Just had a brilliant session with the Laois senior hurling team physio. He said my VMO muscles are in excellent shape and the ACL test and McMurray's test on the knees were perfect.

    There was an issue with my Glutes, he done a test where I had my leg raised and out to the side, he pushed against them and I had to push against him, I couldn't stop him from pushing the leg back in so he then had me lie on my side and worked on the glute muscles on either side and he then performed the test again, he couldn't push my legs in this time! I felt like I was using the same strength as the last time so I couldn't believe the difference, I thought this was amazing. He said my glutes weren't firing up so I have been using all my muscles in the front downwards for running and the glutes were an issue as they are the engine.

    He showed me a technique for rolling them for 20 seconds on each side every morning to fire them up for the day and if running that evening, do again just before the run. He is happy with my knees and has given the all clear to go back running today. He thinks my new runners are possibly the cause of the soreness near my knee (He gave a much more detailed answer but I can't exactly remember so I am not even going to attempt to write it here). He told me to switch back to my old runners and to buy a second pair of that model and start breaking those in gently.

    Apart from that, my legs are in good shape and I can continue Marathon training, absolutely beaming :D


  • #3383
    kin9pin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Just had a brilliant session with the Laois senior hurling team physio. He said my VMO muscles are in excellent shape and the ACL test and McMurray's test on the knees were perfect.

    There was an issue with my Glutes, he done a test where I had my leg raised and out to the side, he pushed against them and I had to push against him, I couldn't stop him from pushing the leg back in so he then had me lie on my side and worked on the glute muscles on either side and he then performed the test again, he couldn't push my legs in this time! I felt like I was using the same strength as the last time so I couldn't believe the difference, I thought this was amazing. He said my glutes weren't firing up so I have been using all my muscles in the front downwards for running and the glutes were an issue as they are the engine.

    He showed me a technique for rolling them for 20 seconds on each side every morning to fire them up for the day and if running that evening, do again just before the run. He is happy with my knees and has given the all clear to go back running today. He thinks my new runners are possibly the cause of the soreness near my knee (He gave a much more detailed answer but I can't exactly remember so I am not even going to attempt to write it here). He told me to switch back to my old runners and to buy a second pair of that model and start breaking those in gently.

    Apart from that, my legs are in good shape and I can continue Marathon training, absolutely beaming :D

    Great news Tony! And you get the bonus of buying another new pair of runners :D
    I do think you should film yourself doing that 20 second glute roll though and post it up here for the group ;)


  • #3384
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Just had a brilliant session with the Laois senior hurling team physio. He said my VMO muscles are in excellent shape and the ACL test and McMurray's test on the knees were perfect.

    There was an issue with my Glutes, he done a test where I had my leg raised and out to the side, he pushed against them and I had to push against him, I couldn't stop him from pushing the leg back in so he then had me lie on my side and worked on the glute muscles on either side and he then performed the test again, he couldn't push my legs in this time! I felt like I was using the same strength as the last time so I couldn't believe the difference, I thought this was amazing. He said my glutes weren't firing up so I have been using all my muscles in the front downwards for running and the glutes were an issue as they are the engine.

    He showed me a technique for rolling them for 20 seconds on each side every morning to fire them up for the day and if running that evening, do again just before the run. He is happy with my knees and has given the all clear to go back running today. He thinks my new runners are possibly the cause of the soreness near my knee (He gave a much more detailed answer but I can't exactly remember so I am not even going to attempt to write it here). He told me to switch back to my old runners and to buy a second pair of that model and start breaking those in gently.

    Apart from that, my legs are in good shape and I can continue Marathon training, absolutely beaming :D

    Brilliant News , I'm delighted for you.


  • #3385
    paddydriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Apart from that, my legs are in good shape and I can continue Marathon training, absolutely beaming :D

    Good job Tony.. We need to meet this physio:D He sounds good..

    Delighted all is good.


  • #3386
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    kin9pin wrote: »
    Great news Tony! And you get the bonus of buying another new pair of runners :D
    I do think you should film yourself doing that 20 second glute roll though and post it up here for the group ;)

    +1 to that :D and great news you're back on your feet Tony!


  • #3387
    Coffee Fulled Runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    scotindublin wrote: »
    I can't see a 20 mile LSR getting done.

    Where there's a will... ;)


  • #3388
    scotindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    It will be done Thursday pre the Athlone trio hopefully!

    Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »
    Where there's a will... ;)


  • #3389
    boydkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭boydkev


    Training has taken another hit due to a week off due to chest cold and on friday managed to twist my knee and have been told to rest the knee for a week to allow fluid in the knee to go away a bit. But hoping to get back on track with 7 weeks to go.


  • #3390
    ToriV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭ToriV


    Sorry need to do better on the updates! All mileage done for last week and actually enjoyed the 17 miles on Saturday! I run with a buddy for most of it, until she gets sick of my talking and sends me on my way!

    Also do Pilates on Sunday, did all the side body stuff. It's amazing how stiff those muscles get!! Felt great afterwards really recommend it!

    Now I am writing up my very past due race report on my HM and will post tomorrow . God it's hard to believe we are in single figures in the countdown!!


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  • #3391
    ToriV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭ToriV


    boydkev wrote: »
    Training has taken another hit due to a week off due to chest cold and on friday managed to twist my knee and have been told to rest the knee for a week to allow fluid in the knee to go away a bit. But hoping to get back on track with 7 weeks to go.

    Feel better!


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