SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 04:58PM

Slattsy wrote: »

You're basing your own opinion, on, as quoted "hyberbole" .

I dont think anymore needs to said if that's how you form your opinions :rolleyes:

I didnt base my whole opinion on hyperbole. Are you having a difficult day or something?

Kauto · 05-09-2016 05:01PM

Two and one wrote: »

I predict Dublin to win this by 7 points. It'll be tight enough in the first half but there'll always be a feeling that Dublin will push away at any time. The fitness levels and the bench is the insurance policy. How can Mayo win? Something extraordinary has to happen, like some Dublin players getting sent off. If nothing like that happens then they have no chance. Who exactly is going to score enough for them to win? Another final defeat awaits but of course there's no shame in losing to this Dublin team who are professional in all but name.

Hyperbole much?

Dublin have not beaten the handicap once this season.

Would very much doubt there will be anything close to 7 points in this game.

What players on the Dublin bench are the insurance policy? The only player who could turn a game is Mannion.

Blud · 05-09-2016 05:04PM

I don't think it is even up for debate that Dunlin have regressed this year. Dublin of 2015 or 2013 would have put Donegal away much easier, and wouldn't have let Kerry into the game at all once 5 points clear in the first half.

Surely that opinion isn't even controversial?

Obviously Mayo have regressed too, losing to Galway is testament to that. Mayo have been more inconsistent than Dublin though, there is a feeling that Dublin's consistent level of performance just hasn't been as good on a quality level, while Mayo can maybe produce high quality but not often enough or for sustained periods.

Which leads to the hope that Mayo can find a consistent performance, and maybe give it a good go.

Obviously, this is all just hope, but with 13 days to an All Ireland final, hope beats despair.

Kerry have clearly regressed too since 2014, ageing team and well past their best. Donegal have been regressing for years. The only team (of the top tier) making progress this year was Tyrone, and that's only because their base level before this year was pretty poor - they could hardly go backwards.

It has not been a vintage year at all.

Two and one · 05-09-2016 05:08PM

Kauto wrote: »

Hyperbole much?

Dublin have not beaten the handicap once this season.

Would very much doubt there will be anything close to 7 points in this game.

What players on the Dublin bench are the insurance policy? The only player who could turn a game is Mannion.

Dublin have won with ease in all their matches. Even the Kerry one was comfortable enough. How can Mayo win? Who's going to score for them?

It's not just the quality of the bench, it's the condition of them. They're been prepared and trained like professionals. They're coming on after 50 minutes of other counties trying to contain 15 other professionals. Look at how they end games!

Blud · 05-09-2016 05:09PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Oh, just some of your opinion is based on "hyperbole"? Right

Pointless having a conversation with someone that forms an opinion on hyperbole - dumbest post on this thread. (and there's some humdingers to be fair)

I tell you what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I'll assume you simply don't actually know what hyperbole means. I'm good like that kid.

Jesus something has wound you up here! Almost a full two weeks to go too...

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 05:10PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Oh, just some of your opinion is based on "hyperbole"? Right

Pointless having a conversation with someone that forms an opinion on hyperbole - dumbest post on this thread. (and there's some humdingers to be fair)

I tell you what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I'll assume you simply don't actually know what hyperbole means. I'm good like that kid.

Well if you're going to have a go without any other arguments or reasons given, then i would suggest getting it right and not making yourself look like someone with their tongue stuck to a bus window

a crucial thing to get right and now whatever argument you may have had has lost my interest. Oh well!

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 05:13PM

Blud wrote: »

Jesus something has wound you up here! Almost a full two weeks to go too...

What i find funny is that he has liked your post when you make more or less the same argument. The word "hyperbole" must be a Mugatu-like trigger

Blud · 05-09-2016 05:15PM

Two and one wrote: »

Dublin have won with ease in all their matches. Even the Kerry one was comfortable enough. How can Mayo win? Who's going to score for them?

It's not just the quality of the bench, it's the condition of them. They're been prepared and trained like professionals. They're coming on after 50 minutes of other counties trying to contain 15 other professionals. Look at how they end games!

What do you mean by who's going to score for Mayo? Who ever scores for Mayo? You're asking the question as if we scrape by low scoring games all the time, you have seen Mayo play, right?

Dublin have averaged 22 points a game this year over 5 games, Mayo have averaged 19 over 7. We'll be alright on the scoring front I'd say.

Who's coming on after 50 minutes for Dublin that Mayo should be so frightened of?

Two and one · 05-09-2016 05:22PM

Blud wrote: »

What do you mean by who's going to score for Mayo? Who ever scores for Mayo? You're asking the question as if we scrape by low scoring games all the time, you have seen Mayo play, right?

Dublin have averaged 22 points a game this year over 5 games, Mayo have averaged 19 over 7. We'll be alright on the scoring front I'd say.

Who's coming on after 50 minutes for Dublin that Mayo should be so frightened of?

Mayo are not playing Tipperary in the final! For Mayo to win they'll need someone to score heavy. Who can do this? Cillian O'Connor doesn't score much from play at the top level, Moran might get a few points, same as the other O'Connor, O'Shea might get a point or two. Then who else? They don't have enough up front to bother Dublin.

As I explained, Mayo should be frightened of everybody who comes on for Dublin after 50 minutes. Even O'Gara can cause trouble and he's a bit of a donkey, a professionally trained donkey however. Mannion and Costello would get on any team in the country.

Fr Tod Umptious · 05-09-2016 05:30PM

The thing about Mayo’s “regression” this year has been that their form has been “efficient” and “workman like” rather than spectacular.

No hammering Galway in Salthill or being 21 pts up on reigning champions in a QF or winning Connacht finals by 25 points.

Their loss to Galway put them on a very different path than what we have been used of.

The only thing that has been anyway consistent is that they have purple patches, in every game baring the Tryone game they have had a 10+ minute spell where they have been on fire, and everything either side of that has been so so.

I think it’s a function of having a new setup, a changed system and a different approach.

And I think the Tryone game is an example of how they have changed and been able to adapt to the opposition

Dublin on the other had have done what they have always done

Win Leinster at a canter, and the win QF and SF with some ease and some concern.

I’m sure that there were Kerry folk this time last year suggesting that Dublin had regressed based on their draw with Mayo, just as Mayo folk are suggesting the same based on Dublin’s win v Kerry.

All in all, as a Mayo fan my hope is that Mayo have not “regressed”, but instead have “changed”, for the better.

Blud · 05-09-2016 05:30PM

Two and one wrote: »

Mayo are not playing Tipperary in the final! For Mayo to win they'll need someone to score heavy. Who can do this? Cillian O'Connor doesn't score much from play at the top level, Moran might get a few points, same as the other O'Connor, O'Shea might get a point or two. Then who else? They don't have enough up front to bother Dublin.

As I explained, Mayo should be frightened of everybody who comes on for Dublin after 50 minutes. Even O'Gara can cause trouble and he's a bit of a donkey, a professionally trained donkey however. Mannion and Costello would get on any team in the country.

Mayo might not be playing Tipp, but Dublin aren't playing Laois or Westmeath either, the only teams they managed above the average they've scored.

And if we're ignoring COC's frees, then let's ignore Dublin's too. You're aware that if we take frees out of the equation then Dublin lost the semi by 4 points, right?

Of course Dublin have lads that can cause trouble coming in from the bench. Nothing to fear though.

Kauto · 05-09-2016 05:33PM

Two and one wrote: »

Mayo are not playing Tipperary in the final! For Mayo to win they'll need someone to score heavy. Who can do this? Cillian O'Connor doesn't score much from play at the top level, Moran might get a few points, same as the other O'Connor, O'Shea might get a point or two. Then who else? They don't have enough up front to bother Dublin.

As I explained, Mayo should be frightened of everybody who comes on for Dublin after 50 minutes. Even O'Gara can cause trouble and he's a bit of a donkey, a professionally trained donkey however. Mannion and Costello would get on any team in the country.

Mannion is the only player on the Dublin bench who Mayo will fear.
Costello has shown very little, so how you can say he would get onto any team in the country is beyond me.
Dublin resort to bringing on O'Gara who has the skill level of a junior footballer albeit he can create havoc at times.

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 05:41PM

Kauto wrote: »

Mannion is the only player on the Dublin bench who Mayo will fear.
Costello has shown very little, so how you can say he would get onto any team in the country is beyond me.
Dublin resort to bringing on O'Gara who has the skill level of a junior footballer albeit he can create havoc at times.

Mannion taken off at half time in the 2013 All Ireland? Costello would be a great man playing for Roscommon as, like the Rossies, he does his best work in February

05-09-2016 05:50PM

Kauto wrote: »

Dublin resort to bringing on O'Gara who has the skill level of a junior footballer albeit he can create havoc at times.

I lurk a good bit but don't usually post, but just on this particular piece of nonsense I felt like weighing in.

O'Gara is an excellent footballer. He has 3 All Ireland medals to prove that. You don't get on this panel without being an excellent footballer.

Mayo are fully aware of how good he is. In 2013 they were so scared of the damage he was doing that even after he had visibly pulled a muscle and could barely move they still left Keith Higgins on him even while chasing the game.

gormdubhgorm · 05-09-2016 06:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I lurk a good bit but don't usually post, but just on this particular piece of nonsense I felt like weighing in.

O'Gara is an excellent footballer. He has 3 All Ireland medals to prove that. You don't get on this panel without being an excellent footballer.

Mayo are fully aware of how good he is. In 2013 they were so scared of the damage he was doing that even after he had visibly pulled a muscle and could barely move they still left Keith Higgins on him even while chasing the game.

Exactly I already pointed out to that particular poster that O'Gara scored a goal against Tyrone in the 2010 AI Q Final and in the 2013 AI semi-final v Kerry.

I noticed he had no reply to me!

Maybe he thinks O'Gara has stayed at the same level he was when he won a Junior all irealnd with Dublin back in 08?

Where incidently the team was as follows:
C Clarke; D Daly, M Fitzsimons, C Prenderville; M White, A Dennis, N Brogan; D Bastic (0-01), C Daly; R Joyce, K Connolly (0-03), J Cooper (0-02); W Finnegan (0-02, 1f), E O’Gara (0-01), A Darcy (0-03, 2f).
Subs used: D Homan (0-01) for Joyce (42 mins), C Norton for Finnegan (55), N Tormey for Connolly (62).

As you will see a fair few went on to bigger and better things.

kilns · 05-09-2016 06:17PM

Kauto wrote: »

Two and one wrote: »

Mayo are not playing Tipperary in the final! For Mayo to win they'll need someone to score heavy. Who can do this? Cillian O'Connor doesn't score much from play at the top level, Moran might get a few points, same as the other O'Connor, O'Shea might get a point or two. Then who else? They don't have enough up front to bother Dublin.

As I explained, Mayo should be frightened of everybody who comes on for Dublin after 50 minutes. Even O'Gara can cause trouble and he's a bit of a donkey, a professionally trained donkey however. Mannion and Costello would get on any team in the country.

Mannion is the only player on the Dublin bench who Mayo will fear.
Costello has shown very little, so how you can say he would get onto any team in the country is beyond me.
Dublin resort to bringing on O'Gara who has the skill level of a junior footballer albeit he can create havoc at times.

I seem to remember Paddy Andrews taking the Mayo defence to the cleaners in last years replay. As for the O'Gara comment. That is pure ignorance considering he would walk onto the Mayo team and would be one of their best players, who arent exactly blessed with quality forwards

gormdubhgorm · 05-09-2016 06:17PM

Unfortunately for Mayo I think the AI u21 title will be the height of it for Mayo.

Incidently Dublin did not even bother to play any u21 players who played Senior football with the Dublin panel (at the time) in this years u21. That is how strong they are.

Two and one · 05-09-2016 06:20PM

Blud wrote: »

Mayo might not be playing Tipp, but Dublin aren't playing Laois or Westmeath either, the only teams they managed above the average they've scored.

And if we're ignoring COC's frees, then let's ignore Dublin's too. You're aware that if we take frees out of the equation then Dublin lost the semi by 4 points, right?

Of course Dublin have lads that can cause trouble coming in from the bench. Nothing to fear though.

Yes but you can list of the names of Dublin players who'll score heavy, there's no one on the Mayo team! We're talking at the top level here, who for Mayo has done it?

I'm not ignoring any frees. I'm saying you won't win games with frees alone and O'Connor has only shown he's a free taker against the big teams. You haven't answered, who's going to score heavy for Mayo? We know Dublin have those players.

The professional set up is what's to fear. You can't ignore how Dublin finish games.

Two and one · 05-09-2016 06:23PM

Kauto wrote: »

Mannion is the only player on the Dublin bench who Mayo will fear.
Costello has shown very little, so how you can say he would get onto any team in the country is beyond me.
Dublin resort to bringing on O'Gara who has the skill level of a junior footballer albeit he can create havoc at times.

And who exactly can Mayo bring on? Have you not seen how Dublin finish games either?
I'd pick a professional team over an amateur one every day of the week. Costello would walk onto the Mayo team by the way and O'Gara wouldn't be far off!

gormdubhgorm · 05-09-2016 06:24PM

If I was a Mayo supporter I would save my money and more heartache and not bother going to the AI final, youse have endured enough hurt.

In fact for your own sanity I would recommend Mayo supporters should not even watch it on telly!

gormdubhgorm · 05-09-2016 06:25PM

Two and one wrote: »

And who exactly can Mayo bring on? Have you not seen how Dublin finish games either?
I'd pick a professional team over an amateur one every day of the week. Costello would walk onto the Mayo team by the way and O'Gara wouldn't be far off!

And you have not even mentioned Cian Con O'Callaghan yet!

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 06:28PM

Two and one wrote: »

Yes but you can list of the names of Dublin players who'll score heavy, there's no one on the Mayo team! We're talking at the top level here, who for Mayo has done it?

I'm not ignoring any frees. I'm saying you won't win games with frees alone and O'Connor has only shown he's a free taker against the big teams. You haven't answered, who's going to score heavy for Mayo? We know Dublin have those players.

The professional set up is what's to fear. You can't ignore how Dublin finish games.

Cillian O'Connor, Aidan O'Shea, Diarmuid O'Connor. As good as any of them.

DoctaDee · 05-09-2016 06:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

And you have not even mentioned Cian O'Callaghan yet!

Ah lads, they're rightly struggling if we're talking about a full back on the hurlers playing in the Mayo front line

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 06:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Incidently Dublin did not even bother to play any u21 players who played Senior football with the Dublin panel (at the time) in this years u21. That is how strong they are.

What about Con O'Callaghan?

Peist2007 · 05-09-2016 06:32PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah lads, they're rightly struggling if we're talking about a full back on the hurlers playing in the Mayo front line

Ha ha yup we have no one. Ye lads are just too amazing

Two and one · 05-09-2016 06:34PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Cillian O'Connor, Aidan O'Shea, Diarmuid O'Connor. As good as any of them.

You're fooling yourself! The O'Connors will get 4 points from play max! O'Shea will get one or two.

gormdubhgorm · 05-09-2016 06:39PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

What about Con O'Callaghan?

He only played afterwards for the seniors after the mighty Mayo u21s managed to scrap over the line with your senior lads Diarmuid O'Connor and Loftus dragging youse through.

Fr Tod Umptious · 05-09-2016 06:57PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If I was a Mayo supporter I would save my money and more heartache and not bother going to the AI final, youse have endured enough hurt.

In fact for your own sanity I would recommend Mayo supporters should not even watch it on telly!

Thats a good idea.

I'll stay at home.

Thanks for the advice.

rebel girl 15 · 05-09-2016 07:17PM

Lads, a few of ye would want to recheck your posting style - a lot of borderline personal stuff going on. Keep it civil and on topic, or else there will be bans handed out until after the game

How Soon Is Now · 05-09-2016 07:34PM

If this Dublin team has regressed then the rest of the country must be ****e!

I think the majority of Dublin fans ain't cocky about the teams chances. I know personally I never for one minute wrote off Donegal or Kerry and Mayo be no different.

The thing is most of us are aware if Dublin play to there ability they have the beating of any other team in the country weather it's by 2 points or 10!

The only major difference I've spot this year is where not as explosive which can be seen in our scoring pattern this year.

The Dublin team is a lot more patient and calculated which in fairness has proven to be very successful this season.

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