Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

seligehgit wrote: »

Excellent post Blud.

I'd disagree with re the highlighted part...I believe Tom Parsons is a superior footballer to Donal Vaughan and must start.

Hope Stephen Rochford concurs with the twin towers approach,the Dublin full back line does not look infallible.Playing Barry inside does offer a couple of options as he can drift out to the middle if so required.The quality of the ball delivery is key and let us down badly in the semi finals last year.In addition poor Aidan had little if any support.

In many ways it's a no brainer as Jason Doherty has been very under par and I'm not convinced Evan Regan is a realistic starter.

Time and time again we have been at our best against Dublin when we run at them.I'm not entirely sure if we can afford to take Zippy out of the corner?

Oh I agree that Parsons is a better footballer, I just don't think he has the pace or stamina to start on MDMA. SOS doesn't either, so for me it has to be Vaughan plus either SOS or Parsons. SOS for me, but only just.

Quality of the ball in is definitely key, which is another plus for COC coming deep. DOC should be capable of delivering good ball too - it should be coming from the wing, kicked from about just outside the 45. Hail Marys from 65 yards straight down the middle just don't work - if it's a diagonal ball and the back breaks it the hrs breaking it across his own goal and not straight out the field. More difficult to defend against.

Can we do without Higgins in the full back line? Probably depends on how Barrett is going, which we just don't know. We did ok first half in 2013 with Higgins centre forward, and Harrison has been in good form. I think it's worth a go. Weirdly, I think if Dublin start Connolly out at half forward it could kill us, I think Keegan would have to follow him yet we look far better with Keegan at full back.

Robeman wrote: »

The most county I look at with envy and admire is Offaly population 78,000 compared to our 130,000. Since 1971 they have managed to win 3 football all irelands and 4 hurling. Why can we not even manage 1 in Football. What in gods name is wrong with us.

Go an support them then. There has been only two times in All ireland finals where Mayo totally collapsed imo. That is in 04 and 06 and you can argue about 97. The rest Mayo have been competitive and in recent years we have been ultra competitive... just not good enough to win it.

I was critical of the team over the last few games and it was about performance and attitude but they have started to pull it together.

Are they up against it with the dubs.. most definitively but I think they will give it their all. Nobody can ask for more and you should leave the bottlers comments where it belongs and have a bit of cop on!!

seligehgit wrote: »

Excellent post Blud.

I'd disagree with re the highlighted part...I believe Tom Parsons is a superior footballer to Donal Vaughan and must start.

Hope Stephen Rochford concurs with the twin towers approach,the Dublin full back line does not look infallible.Playing Barry inside does offer a couple of options as he can drift out to the middle if so required.The quality of the ball delivery is key and let us down badly in the semi finals last year.In addition poor Aidan had little if any support.

In many ways it's a no brainer as Jason Doherty has been very under par and I'm not convinced Evan Regan is a realistic starter.

Time and time again we have been at our best against Dublin when we run at them.I'm not entirely sure if we can afford to take Zippy out of the corner?

That twin tower approach is something Jim Mc Guinness mentioned in his column some time ago, but firing ball in from the middle is not going to work imo with how Dublin use their sweeper.
The way to conteract their sweeper is to run at their center with two running the wings. That way, keep their sweeper in the center as long as possible before feeding the wing to deliver diagonal ball into the towers.

One problem I can see with the twin towers is that Galvin will have seen from the Mayo team that played Tyrone that there is a doubt even in the Mayo managements minds as to dealing with the high ball into their own backline.
It wouldn`t surprise if Galvin starts that wrecking ball O Gara at full. In which case Moran cannot be two places at the same time.

Robeman wrote: »

One cannot change county allegiance ever. It is just not an option.

Don't have any issue with your first point re history. As regards this team their performance todate has been awful apart from Tyrone which seemed good as they are Ulster champs so cannot deny their quality. Since last year the attitude of this team stinks.

They will give it their all on the 18th no doubt but it will not be good enough. Like an alcoholic until we admit we have a problem we cannot start on the road to recovery (an all ireland)

Mayo are in general bottlers in all irelands on those occasions they are competitive which they generally are (but not always). This is not just a problem of seniors but also other county and club teams. We cannot deny our history.

History is there to be changed....

charlie14 wrote: »

That twin tower approach is something Jim Mc Guinness mentioned in his column some time ago, but firing ball in from the middle is not going to work imo with how Dublin use their sweeper.
The way to conteract their sweeper is to run at their center with two running the wings. That way, keep their sweeper in the center as long as possible before feeding the wing to deliver diagonal ball into the towers.

One problem I can see with the twin towers is that Galvin will have seen from the Mayo team that played Tyrone that there is a doubt even in the Mayo managements minds as to dealing with the high ball into their own backline.
It wouldn`t surprise if Galvin starts that wrecking ball O Gara at full. In which case Moran cannot be two places at the same time.

Who's going to be the casualty if O Gara comes in?Bernard Brogan hasn't been bringing his A game to the table in recent games but he's tormented us down through the years.BTW I'm totally on board with the logic behind your thinking.

seligehgit wrote: »

Who's going to be the casualty if O Gara comes in?Bernard Brogan hasn't been bringing his A game to the table in recent games but he's tormented us down through the years.BTW I'm totally on board with the logic behind your thinking.

Brogan is certainly not having a good year. Definitely seems to be living off his reputation somewhat. Be a very very brave move to drop him for O'Gara though. Not sure I would be brave enough to do it if I was manager of Dublin!

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Brogan is certainly not having a good year. Definitely seems to be living off his reputation somewhat. Be a very very brave move to drop him for O'Gara though. Not sure I would be brave enough to do it if I was manager of Dublin!

Through my own work I know a little about Galvin. He is one tough single minded individual.
If he decides on a game plan he would drop anyone. Regardless of who he is.

charlie14 wrote: »

That twin tower approach is something Jim Mc Guinness mentioned in his column some time ago, but firing ball in from the middle is not going to work imo with how Dublin use their sweeper.
The way to conteract their sweeper is to run at their center with two running the wings. That way, keep their sweeper in the center as long as possible before feeding the wing to deliver diagonal ball into the towers.

One problem I can see with the twin towers is that Galvin will have seen from the Mayo team that played Tyrone that there is a doubt even in the Mayo managements minds as to dealing with the high ball into their own backline.
It wouldn`t surprise if Galvin starts that wrecking ball O Gara at full. In which case Moran cannot be two places at the same time.

O' Gara won't start. We all know Dublins starting up line up. MDM and Kev Mc have nailed down the only places up for grabs.

Just on the sweeper business and the high ball. Seems a complete over analysis if you ask me. Cian O' Sullivan didn't get near any ball in the air against Kerry and still Dublin more than held their own at the back. An impressive feat when you consider the talents of Geaney and Donaghy and the players passing the ball. Dublin aren't infallible at the back no but on the evidence of this season and previous meetings between Dublin and Mayo you'd be wasting a lot of ball drilling it at big men inside. Cooper and McMahon will spoil most of it imo.

Much prefer Andy Moran, and AOS, showing for it and getting runners off that if i was a Mayoman.

The Mayo County Board has distanced itself from a proposed fundraiser that was organised in New York next month.


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A strong statement was issued this evening by the county board after reports of a fundraiser being organised in New York on September 10, a week before Mayo are due to take on Dublin in All-Ireland final.
Mayo GAA said that this function has not been scantioned by them or Cairde Mhaigheo, the official fundraising wing of Mayo GAA.

The statement read: “A recent announcement of what been depicted as a senior football team fundraiser will take place in New York on September 10, has prompted us to release this statement.
No fundraiser of this nature in New York has been sanctioned by Mayo GAA or Cairde Mhaigheo, the official fund-raising wing of Mayo GAA.

“We welcome all financial support for Mayo GAA, but fund-raisers must come through the proper channels so that money can be diverted to the cause of preparing our teams.
“This year, our senior football team has once again been prepared to a very high standard. We make this investment in our teams so that they can be in the best possible condition to achieve our common goal of winning the All-Ireland senior football title. Mayo county board, team management and players are all working together to advance this goal at all times.

“To prepare all our county teams – all ages, including hurling and football – we will have an expenditure in excess of €1 million this year.
“But funds must come through the board – it is the only way we can maintain clear control over the finances of Mayo GAA.

“Supporters can be sure that money raised at Cairde Mhaigheo functions will go directly towards preparing the various teams.
“If anyone is unsure whether a fundraising activity is legitimately going towards the team training fund then please contact the Mayo GAA office on (094) 9250487 or any officer of the executive.

WELL WELL WELL Well

This is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about re county Board. I am surprised this did not become news sooner. Once again they are not in control of things.

The other question is for whose benefit is this unofficial fundraiser intended ? The "egos"? management hangers on ? or the team as a whole. Once again Mayo GAA has a bad smell attached to it.

This sort of thing has happened before both in US and in Ireland. A lot of innocent and well meaning supporters get taken in and god knows where the money end up. There is too much "fundraising" floating around which the county board seems unable to control.

It would be good if we could follow the cash. It would be educational.

corny wrote: »

O' Gara won't start. We all know Dublins starting up line up. MDM and Kev Mc have nailed down the only places up for grabs.

Just on the sweeper business and the high ball. Seems a complete over analysis if you ask me. Cian O' Sullivan didn't get near any ball in the air against Kerry and still Dublin more than held their own at the back. An impressive feat when you consider the talents of Geaney and Donaghy and the players passing the ball. Dublin aren't infallible at the back no but on the evidence of this season and previous meetings between Dublin and Mayo you'd be wasting a lot of ball drilling it at big men inside. Cooper and McMahon will spoil most of it imo.

Much prefer Andy Moran, and AOS, showing for it and getting runners off that if i was a Mayoman.

I can see where you are coming from but Cooper and Mc Mahon had the luxury of double teaming Donaghy for high ball coming in, able to break it knowing O Sullivan was there to tidy up in front of them.
Split Cooper and Mc Mahon with diagonall ball coming in, as Armagh did in their heyday, where neither know who was being aimed for and O Sullivan is out of the picture.
With twin towers Cooper and Mc Mahon aren`t going to outfield them

seligehgit wrote: »

Ah I've a fair idea of the single mindedness of our aviator extraordinare.He is the top manager in the country for good reason.

But I don't know about the darling of the Hill... He has built up a serious bank of credit,he tends to turn it on on the big occasion and as I mentioned he has given us serious trouble over the years.

I wouldn't rule out such a move but I am more inclined to believe they'll unleash the full force of O Gara in the second half.

This guy is no Caffery playing to the hill. For him winning is all it`s about.
I`m only speculating, and I agree that the darling may start. But I can see O Gara making an appearance and Mayo need to have a plan to deal with him.
He isn`t the most skillful of full forwards, but he can win ball and he is a tank.

Robeman wrote: »

The Mayo County Board has distanced itself from a proposed fundraiser that was organised in New York next month.


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A strong statement was issued this evening by the county board after reports of a fundraiser being organised in New York on September 10, a week before Mayo are due to take on Dublin in All-Ireland final.
Mayo GAA said that this function has not been scantioned by them or Cairde Mhaigheo, the official fundraising wing of Mayo GAA.

The statement read: “A recent announcement of what been depicted as a senior football team fundraiser will take place in New York on September 10, has prompted us to release this statement.
No fundraiser of this nature in New York has been sanctioned by Mayo GAA or Cairde Mhaigheo, the official fund-raising wing of Mayo GAA.

“We welcome all financial support for Mayo GAA, but fund-raisers must come through the proper channels so that money can be diverted to the cause of preparing our teams.
“This year, our senior football team has once again been prepared to a very high standard. We make this investment in our teams so that they can be in the best possible condition to achieve our common goal of winning the All-Ireland senior football title. Mayo county board, team management and players are all working together to advance this goal at all times.

“To prepare all our county teams – all ages, including hurling and football – we will have an expenditure in excess of €1 million this year.
“But funds must come through the board – it is the only way we can maintain clear control over the finances of Mayo GAA.

“Supporters can be sure that money raised at Cairde Mhaigheo functions will go directly towards preparing the various teams.
“If anyone is unsure whether a fundraising activity is legitimately going towards the team training fund then please contact the Mayo GAA office on (094) 9250487 or any officer of the executive.

WELL WELL WELL Well

This is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about re county Board. I am surprised this did not become news sooner. Once again they are not in control of things.

The other question is for whose benefit is this unofficial fundraiser intended ? The "egos"? management hangers on ? or the team as a whole. Once again Mayo GAA has a bad smell attached to it.

This sort of thing has happened before both in US and in Ireland. A lot of innocent and well meaning supporters get taken in and god knows where the money end up. There is too much "fundraising" floating around which the county board seems unable to control.

It would be good if we could follow the cash. It would be educational.

I think i know who is organising this fundraiser and he would not be on good terms with the County Board. I'm not sure what more they can do but raise awareness as they have done. There you go on about egos again, who exactly are you referring to? btw if it's who i think it is , no question of funds being misappropriated but i can understand why co board want to keep control of such events.

Robeman wrote: »

The acticle comes from Irish Independent website. They thought it was worth publishing. It seems that in Mayo we like to push this stuff under the carpet and don't want to hear about it even though it is indicative of everything that is wrong about Mayo GAA.

Really? Connaught Telegraph had it hours before the Indo. And if it was being pushed under the carpet how come Co Board issued a statement? honestly stop making an utter fool of yourself.

Serious allegations being made here now
It's gone beyond a joke

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Really? Connaught Telegraph had it hours before the Indo. And if it was being pushed under the carpet how come Co Board issued a statement? honestly stop making an utter fool of yourself.

My comment was in response to comment in this forum not Mayo Gaa. As you have pointed out they issued a statement on matter.

I really cannot understand why I am continually on the receiving end of personal attacks rather than counter arguments.

In a couple of days I have been called a girl, a roscommon supporter, a galway one, misc other personal insults and now a fool.

I can debate this stuff in the pub with fellow mayo men who like me want what best for Mayo where I can get as good as I give. Here a lot just throw in personal remarks. The title of this page is Mayo GAA discussion part 2. Should it be renamed "Wonderful Mayo GAA where nothing is wrong and no dissent allowed"